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11-25-2023, 01:44 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We aren't winning 9-10 games with a boring offense so their point is moot.

Exactly. In the Big 10 yeah. The SEC- no. The last time we pulled it off was 1999 when we had the number 1 defense in America.
11-25-2023, 01:45 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Exactly. In the Big 10 yeah. The SEC- no. The last time we pulled it off was 1999 when we had the number 1 defense in America.

We had the best defense in America in ?18 and what?d that give us? 8 wins.

We aren?t going to beat the big boys playing their game. No matter how much some of our resident mouth breathers refuse to believe it. We have to do things different.

Playing slow, methodical offense and focusing on our our defense isn?t going to win games against UGA, Bama, Or Texas. Sumrall has the most talent in the Sun Belt and can beat Southern Miss, USA, and others doing that.
11-25-2023, 01:48 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

We had the best defense in America in ?18 and what?d that give us? 8 wins.

We aren?t going to beat the big boys playing their game. No matter how much some of our resident mouth breathers refuse to believe it. We have to do things different.

Playing slow, methodical offense and focusing on our our defense isn?t going to win games against UGA, Bama, Or Texas. Sumrall has the most talent in the Sun Belt and can beat Southern Miss, USA, and others doing that.

Yep.

And it's Troy 14 USM 10 at the half right now. That's our future if Sumrall is hired.
11-25-2023, 01:49 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Exactly. In the Big 10 yeah. The SEC- no. The last time we pulled it off was 1999 when we had the number 1 defense in America.

If you are trying to compare 1999 football to 2023 you have already negated whatever point you are trying to make. We have to get a modern offensive coach and move forward
11-25-2023, 01:52 PM
Dawgface

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yep.

And it's Troy 14 USM 10 at the half right now. That's our future if Sumrall is hired.

So you're thinking we will be at the same talent level as Troy if Sumrall is hired? I'm not pushing Sumrall btw.
11-25-2023, 01:54 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's only happened once for us since 1980. The issue is we win 10 games and our program still gets run down. It's just not a sustainable way for us to have major success.

Scoring as many points as possible is though. It gives us a much better chance of having a special season.

I don't care what we run as long as we win. I really don't want a boring offense. I hated the Leach AR because of how boring and predictable it was. I REALLY hated the offense this year. I just like winning. So my point was I don't care if we line up and play Iowa offense and win 8-10 games a year. I'm not a cult member like some on this board.
11-25-2023, 01:56 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

We had the best defense in America in ?18 and what?d that give us? 8 wins.

We aren?t going to beat the big boys playing their game. No matter how much some of our resident mouth breathers refuse to believe it. We have to do things different.

Playing slow, methodical offense and focusing on our our defense isn?t going to win games against UGA, Bama, Or Texas. Sumrall has the most talent in the Sun Belt and can beat Southern Miss, USA, and others doing that.

Do you like Deon as a HC? Just curious.
11-25-2023, 02:02 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You're trying to make this about wins and losses.

I'm making it wins vs wins. 10 win seasons with a high scoring offense is preferable to 10 wins with a boring offense.

Well hell yeah. It's about wins. That's my point. I don't care how we get their win. But losing and being "entertaining" will get you fired too. Last time I checked that's how it works. Winning.
11-25-2023, 02:04 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

So you're thinking we will be at the same talent level as Troy if Sumrall is hired? I'm not pushing Sumrall btw.

He?s recruiting 40-50 spots worse nationally than his predecessor. And at the bottom of the Sun Belt.

We will be recruiting in the high 30s to low 50s under Sumrall.
11-25-2023, 02:04 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You're trying to make this about wins and losses.

I'm making it wins vs wins. 10 win seasons with a high scoring offense is preferable to 10 wins with a boring offense.

If all things are equal, sure everyone would take an entertaining g offense w 10 wins vs a boring one w 10. But prior to 14 the only 10 win reg season ever , we had a 10 win season in 99 counting bowl and that offense was boring as hell. But guess what they won.
11-25-2023, 02:05 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Do you like Deon as a HC? Just curious.

Nope.
11-25-2023, 02:05 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yep.

And it's Troy 14 USM 10 at the half right now. That's our future if Sumrall is hired.

Troy beat Kinne 31-13 as well
11-25-2023, 02:06 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

He?s recruiting 40-50 spots worse nationally than his predecessor. And at the bottom of the Sun Belt.

We will be recruiting in the high 30s to low 50s under Sumrall.

Look, I prefer Lebby over sumrall. I do. But you and your crystal ball is just that, made up crap. You don't know how well he will recruit. You don't know how many games either will win here. But carry on. Course of sun talk gets it, we won't have to listen to you anymore cause you're out.
11-25-2023, 02:07 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well hell yeah. It's about wins. That's my point. I don't care how we get their win. But losing and being "entertaining" will get you fired too. Last time I checked that's how it works. Winning.

Wow, that dude really wants his cake and to eat it too, that train stops in Tuscaloosa last as time I checked.
11-25-2023, 02:09 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I don't care what we run as long as we win. I really don't want a boring offense. I hated the Leach AR because of how boring and predictable it was. I REALLY hated the offense this year. I just like winning. So my point was I don't care if we line up and play Iowa offense and win 8-10 games a year. I'm not a cult member like some on this board.

We got I?m headed to retirement Leach and it sucked here. It was boring and ineffective. I hated it and he refused to recruit over Will Rogers.

I think Todd?s point is that we can?t win in the SEC playing the way Iowa plays. Which after this year, everyone should be in agreeance with. We tried that out with Arnett and Barbay. Sumrall is in the same mold.

My argument the whole time about Sumrall has been he won?t be successful here like he is at Troy because he just out talents teams running an Iowa-lite type of offense. He will bring that philosophy here and fail.

His will start struggling mightily next year when he starts running out of Chip Lindsey?s recruits.
11-25-2023, 02:11 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Look, I prefer Lebby over sumrall. I do. But you and your crystal ball is just that, made up crap. You don't know how well he will recruit. You don't know how many games either will win here. But carry on. Course of sun talk gets it, we won't have to listen to you anymore cause you're out.

We just saw what a Sumrall philosophy will be like here this year. It ain?t hard to predict. You can continue ignoring the obvious. That?s on you. Me on the other hand will point out bad hires.
11-25-2023, 02:23 PM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

We just saw what a Sumrall philosophy will be like here this year. It ain?t hard to predict. You can continue ignoring the obvious. That?s on you. Me on the other hand will point out bad hires.

Be honest. Today is the first Troy game you've really payed attention to.

Because it sounds like there's a lot of our fans paying attention to him and using one game, today's game, as the basis for why they don't want him.

They are going to blow out Southern Miss and finish 10-2 with losses to Kansas State and James Madison. We could do worse than a guy with SEC playing and coaching experience that wins football games at a P5 school in our recruiting footprint.
11-25-2023, 02:25 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Be honest. Today is the first Troy game you've really payed attention to.

Because it sounds like there's a lot of our fans paying attention to him and using one game, today's game, as the basis for why they don't want him.

They are going to blow out Southern Miss and finish 10-2 with losses to Kansas State and James Madison. We could do worse.

I think the argument is more so what works there would not translate to the SEC at a program that struggles with obtaining talent. We see this all the time with G5 coaches going to P5 jobs with even better resources than us. I think he is a good coach, but I would highly question if he translates well to what we need in 2023
11-25-2023, 02:25 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Be honest. Today is the first Troy game you've really payed attention to.

Because it sounds like there's a lot of our fans paying attention to him and using one game, today's game, as the basis for why they don't want him.

They are going to blow out Southern Miss and finish 10-2 with losses to Kansas State and James Madison. We could do worse than a guy with SEC playing and coaching experience that wins football games at a P5 school in our recruiting footprint.

Nope. I have connections to the staff. But sure go ahead and tell my idk wtf I?m talking about.
11-25-2023, 02:29 PM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Nope. I have connections to the staff. But sure go ahead and tell my idk wtf I?m talking about.

Ok so his staff thinks he's boring and that he wouldn't do well in the SEC because that's all been discussed with them and they are willing to have conversations with others about that?

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