The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

You guys keep talking about loyalty to Trump. You still do not get it. It is not Trump as a person we are loyal to, but the ideology he represents.


Individual Freedoms: Get government out of the way so individuals can do what they do best

Right to life: Do not murder the innocent

America First: After all he is President of the US not the world

Freedom of Religion: Including Christians, not just Muslims

Promote Traditional Family: Mom and Dad (If I have to explain that, then you've lost all sense of biology)

Reduce Taxes: Self evident as to why

Limited Government: Large government infringe on its people, mandate higher taxes and interfere with free enterprise

Close the Border: Every sovereign country has the right and obligation to do so. Illegal immigrants drain social services meant for legal citizens

Strong Military: Self evident in todays world - Peace through strength

Reduce Immigration: Keeps employment high and improves salary for its citizens

Private Healthcare: Not government run - would be a disaster

Foreign Aid: Stop giving money to countries that don't like us

Energy Independence: Why rely of foreign resources and support foreign nations that use that money to hurt the US?

No Carbon Tax: Unfair taxation compared to other less developed nations

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Stopped appointing judges that rewrite the Constitution from the bench

Pro Capitalism: Provides the best opportunity of living the American Dream

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You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

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Originally Posted by hacker

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

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The "traditional family" was a nice touch, too, especially for someone married 3 times, the latter of which he cheated on with a porn star whilst she was pregnant with his youngest son.

Yup....family values Jesus would be proud of.**

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

You guys keep talking about loyalty to Trump. You still do not get it. It is not Trump as a person we are loyal to, but the ideology he represents.


Individual Freedoms: Get government out of the way so individuals can do what they do best

Right to life: Do not murder the innocent

America First: After all he is President of the US not the world

Freedom of Religion: Including Christians, not just Muslims

Promote Traditional Family: Mom and Dad (If I have to explain that, then you've lost all sense of biology)

Reduce Taxes: Self evident as to why

Limited Government: Large government infringe on its people, mandate higher taxes and interfere with free enterprise

Close the Border: Every sovereign country has the right and obligation to do so. Illegal immigrants drain social services meant for legal citizens

Strong Military: Self evident in todays world - Peace through strength

Reduce Immigration: Keeps employment high and improves salary for its citizens

Private Healthcare: Not government run - would be a disaster

Foreign Aid: Stop giving money to countries that don't like us

Energy Independence: Why rely of foreign resources and support foreign nations that use that money to hurt the US?

No Carbon Tax: Unfair taxation compared to other less developed nations

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Stopped appointing judges that rewrite the Constitution from the bench

Pro Capitalism: Provides the best opportunity of living the American Dream

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David makes some very valid points here...

https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/...-the-character

Edit: a very apropos excerpt...

"The response can’t be the checklist. And when vulnerable Americans suffer mightily from the health and economic consequences of a global pandemic the president minimized, the response can’t be the checklist. White Evangelical leaders owe us a serious argument as to why that checklist trumps character and competence in the leader of the free world."

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Originally Posted by hacker

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

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Reagan was a democrat before Republican too. And a lot of Senators (old gen and new gen) were at one time too.

Dems moved over to Communism. Started with Lyndon Johnson and just kept going. Republicans ain't much better but they ain't communists.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Reagan was a democrat before Republican too. And a lot of Senators (old gen and new gen) were at one time too.

Dems moved over to Communism. Started with Lyndon Johnson and just kept going. Republicans ain't much better but they ain't communists.

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It's only been 12 years man. He donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008.

Depends on his opponent.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

The "traditional family" was a nice touch, too, especially for someone married 3 times, the latter of which he cheated on with a porn star whilst she was pregnant with his youngest son.

Yup....family values Jesus would be proud of.**

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Yet despite allll that....

That’s the part that really gives you fits. Lmao.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

And when vulnerable Americans suffer mightily

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I’m guessing unborn Americans are off limits in this debate? Or might they be vulnerable enough?

Apropos, indeed.

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Originally Posted by hacker

It's only been 12 years man. He donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008.

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Not understanding why this would be a big issue. The old saying is "when you young if you not a liberal you don't have a heart. When you old if you ain't a conservative you don't have a brain". So we know where dano be on all that. A lot of heart no brain ****

Y'all just finding nits to be against Trump on cause you don't like him. That's all. And y'all gonna stay that way too. I'm not crazy about him but I look more at overall results in a Prez. I got pissed at Republicans for trying to impeach Clinton over getting a blowjob in the WH. I didn't give a crap myself .. my standard is how is the country doing.

ETA: Reagan switched 18 years before he was elected Prez. I didn't know there was a requirement on how many years you been in a Party to run for Prez tho. Is there??

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Originally Posted by turkish

I’m guessing unborn Americans are off limits in this debate? Or might they be vulnerable enough?

Apropos, indeed.

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Good job missing the point, and ignoring the rest of the article.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Not understanding why this would be a big issue. The old saying is "when you young if you not a liberal you don't have a heart. When you old if you ain't a conservative you don't have a brain". So we know where dano be on all that. A lot of heart no brain ****

Y'all just finding nits to be against Trump on cause you don't like him. That's all. And y'all gonna stay that way too. I'm not crazy about him but I look more at overall results in a Prez. I got pissed at Republicans for trying to impeach Clinton over getting a blowjob in the WH. I didn't give a crap myself .. my standard is how is the country doing.

ETA: Reagan switched 18 years before he was elected Prez. I didn't know there was a requirement on how many years you been in a Party to run for Prez tho. Is there??

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So 12 years ago Trump was still coming into his own, lol? Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

So 12 years ago Trump was still coming into his own, lol? Gotcha.

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There's a lot of crap from Trump's past I ain't a fan of but ... I alright with how he runs the country for the most part. That's my point. Y'all's point ... just gonna hate him cause you don't like him. Got it.

In reality, living and doing business in NY City it was probably of more benefit for him to be a democrat back then.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Not understanding why this would be a big issue. The old saying is "when you young if you not a liberal you don't have a heart. When you old if you ain't a conservative you don't have a brain". So we know where dano be on all that. A lot of heart no brain ****

Y'all just finding nits to be against Trump on cause you don't like him. That's all. And y'all gonna stay that way too. I'm not crazy about him but I look more at overall results in a Prez. I got pissed at Republicans for trying to impeach Clinton over getting a blowjob in the WH. I didn't give a crap myself .. my standard is how is the country doing.

ETA: Reagan switched 18 years before he was elected Prez. I didn't know there was a requirement on how many years you been in a Party to run for Prez tho. Is there??

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I'm only saying this stuff bc the dude went into depth about Trump's ideology.

Trump's ideology is "whatever keeps me in power"

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Originally Posted by hacker

I'm only saying this stuff bc the dude went into depth about Trump's ideology.

Trump's ideology is "whatever keeps me in power"

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So is Hillary's, Obama's, etc. They far left in primary and fictitiously move to center for the general election. What's new about that.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

So is Hillary's, Obama's, etc. They far left in primary and fictitiously move to center for the general election. What's new about that.

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I agree, politicians are bad people by nature.

Why is it every time I say something critical about Trump everyone rushes to defend him by bringing up some other politicians?

I have not once in this entire thread said a good thing about a single politician, democrat or otherwise.

I am strictly criticizing Trump. I'm not saying Obama and Hillary are better when I do that. It is not a dichotomy.

Trump is the president. He downplayed the coronavirus for weeks. He is ultimately the person who is responsible. He shouldn't get a free pass just because he's on your team.

If we had a dem president and he had the same response Trump has had, I would be saying this exact same stuff about him.

Honestly, before the virus, I didn't even pay much attention to politics because it's all bullshit. I have no skin in the game.

A lot of you get so offended when anything remotely negative is said about him. Why should he be above criticism? If you think he is, I believe they touch on this in the Ten Commandments.

None of this is directed at you specifically 166. Just the board in general.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

So is Hillary's, Obama's, etc. They far left in primary and fictitiously move to center for the general election. What's new about that.

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That certain members of the board can't accept it as a fact. You see the multiple gullibles in here just lapping it up.

As for your question about february. Gathering PPE, Ventilators, prepping hospitals, prepping test kits, getting out in front of this thing. Those are all things he could have done. He acknowledged that there was an issue and then still a month+ later he was calling it the democrat's hoax instead of working towards fixing this right. Plenty of things he could have done. The inaction is costly and America pays the price every freaking day for it. It's sickening.

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Originally Posted by hacker

I agree, politicians are bad people by nature.

Why is it every time I say something critical about Trump everyone rushes to defend him by bringing up some other politicians?

I have not once in this entire thread said a good thing about a single politician, democrat or otherwise.

I am strictly criticizing Trump. I'm not saying Obama and Hillary are better when I do that. It is not a dichotomy.

Trump is the president. He downplayed the coronavirus for weeks. He is ultimately the person who is responsible. He shouldn't get a free pass just because he's on your team.

If we had a dem president and he had the same response Trump has had, I would be saying this exact same stuff about him.

Honestly, before the virus, I didn't even pay much attention to politics because it's all bullshit. I have no skin in the game.

A lot of you get so offended when anything remotely negative is said about him. Why should he be above criticism? If you think he is, I believe they touch on this in the Ten Commandments.

None of this is directed at you specifically 166. Just the board in general.

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The book of Leviticus is more important in this country than the 10 commandments. No idols (Trump, Money) before me. Love thy neighbor. Meh. **** that. If you have sex with another man or have sex with your sister then you should be stoned. (Even though Isaac is supposed to be the ancestor who we can all be traced backed to and Abraham and Sarai were siblings.)

The truth is you don't become conservative because you are imparted with this grand intelligence as you get older. You become conservative because you become hardened by the cruel reality of life and learn to only care about you and your own. Anything that threatens you and your own, you meet with animosity. It's wiser to give up fighting and just enjoy the years you have left because **** it, doesn't affect you anyhow. That's what wisdom you get by being older. Is it smarter? Sure. Self-preservation is smarter. Is it full of heart? nope. Is it an exemplary way to conduct yourself as a Christian? Nope. Is it smart to say otherwise? Currently yes. So they do. Bunch of ****ing Pharisees.

Society would stone Jesus as the Anti-christ if he came today. All in the name of the fear of communism/socialism.

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Originally Posted by hacker

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

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Trump is basically an old school Democrat. Hell, he ran on keeping SS and Medicare.

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Originally Posted by hacker

I'm only saying this stuff bc the dude went into depth about Trump's ideology.

Trump's ideology is "whatever keeps me in power"

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Trump basically gloms onto whatever he feels is popular. I mean, it's a good strategy, and it got him elected. But he could care less about any ideology and is far from conservative. He rightly understood that conservatism is not popular in this country, which helped him get elected. He throws the socially conservative Christians a bone now and then but probably laughs behind their backs.

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

That certain members of the board can't accept it as a fact. You see the multiple gullibles in here just lapping it up.

As for your question about february. Gathering PPE, Ventilators, prepping hospitals, prepping test kits, getting out in front of this thing. Those are all things he could have done. He acknowledged that there was an issue and then still a month+ later he was calling it the democrat's hoax instead of working towards fixing this right. Plenty of things he could have done. The inaction is costly and America pays the price every freaking day for it. It's sickening.

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So you expect him to just snap his fingers and it happen overnight. Got that too. You must not understand how the Fed Govt works at all. It don't happen that way. And he was right saying Cuomo was calling for 30/40 thousand ventilators and never needed near that many. Cuomo's even admitted that.

You can certainly blame Trump since he's in charge, but things are probably happening faster now than they ever have before ... or I should say in a very long time. To get one mask somewhere via the Fed Govt requires a load of bureaucratic red tape. He issues the orders and others have to carry them out. And there is usually a shitload of paperwork before that happens in most cases. In this case, it seems that has been minimized IMO. And there is also a lot of Constitutional law that has to be taken into account with a lot of the decisions he's making cause ... he's not trying to be a dictator.

And if I recall ... In Feb Fauci was still saying we shouldn't be too concerned with it and we didn't have a positive (identified) 1st case till almost March.