THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

I feel like this class is addressing some short term holes and has some solid players in it.

Question for me is can Moorhead blend our finish with some solid pickups and some additional 4-5 year positional needs like LB and WR.

We are looking at potentially three straight Top 25 recruiting finishes under Moorhead. Tell me he hasn't changed the culture of recruiting for us and stabilized it. He may not be in the teens like the couple times Mullen did, but positionally we are set up better depth wise and have been getting some solid players in here. Lot of young kids on this team that found early success that we can build around

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Mullen only made the teens once, 18th in 2015.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

I feel like this class is addressing some short term holes and has some solid players in it.

Question for me is can Moorhead blend our finish with some solid pickups and some additional 4-5 year positional needs like LB and WR.

We are looking at potentially three straight Top 25 recruiting finishes under Moorhead. Tell me he hasn't changed the culture of recruiting for us and stabilized it. He may not be in the teens like the couple times Mullen did, but positionally we are set up better depth wise and have been getting some solid players in here. Lot of young kids on this team that found early success that we can build around

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Meh, Mullen didn?t have big holes til the last couple years when he quit on us. We still have holes next year at RB, and LB and that?s on Joe just about as much as Mullen. WR is another issue. We still aren’t getting big time WRs. Especially RB. Coaching changes this year is going to hopefully boost our end of the cycle recruiting. Difference in the two is negligible.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Meh, Mullen didn?t have big holes til the last couple years when he quit on us. We still have holes niece year at RB and LB and that?s on Joe just about as much as Mullen. Especially RB. Coaching changes this year is going to hopefully boost our end of the cycle recruiting.

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How are coaching changes going to boost if we're signing all of the commits and no new guys?

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Mullen only made the teens once, 18th in 2015.

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I count his first class prior to his first full year on campus which I believe also finished 18

Mullen wouldn't have us in the top 25 right now in recruiting, with a down year in MS. You can bet your ass on that.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Mullen wouldn't have us in the top 25 right now in recruiting, with a down year in MS. You can bet your ass on that.

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Tell us how the great joe did in the historic year for miss talent in 2019.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Tell us how the great joe did in the historic year for miss talent in 2019.

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7 this is a decent class, if we sign everybody.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

7 this is a decent class, if we sign everybody.

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Not saying it isn't. I'm just wanting to see results that show joe is such an upgrade over Mullen recruiting. Right now, the difference is hard to see bc we're where we've always been. Oh, and bothrops, 18 of our 21 commits are from miss or play juco in miss, so if this is a down year in miss, we screwed

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not saying it isn't. I'm just wanting to see results that show joe is such an upgrade over Mullen recruiting. Right now, the difference is hard to see bc we're where we've always been. Oh, and bothrops, 18 of our 21 commits are from miss or play juco in miss, so if this is a down year in miss, we screwed

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It's not a down year. There's not as much high end talent.

For example, currently the 20th ranked player in MS is E'Jai Mason. He's rated .8668. Last year, the 20th recruit was Zac Edwards who went to Louisville. He was rated a .8709. So the difference between the 2 year over year is less than half a point. In 2018, Jett Johnson was #20 overall and was rated a .8518. A full point and a half LOWER than the #20 this year.

So this class isn't a down year overall. It is compared to last year. But overall it's deeper than 2018. A little research goes a long way in correcting a false narrative used to bolster one's opinion.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

It's not a down year. There's not as much high end talent.

For example, currently the 20th ranked player in MS is E'Jai Mason. He's rated .8668. Last year, the 20th recruit was Zac Edwards who went to Louisville. He was rated a .8709. So the difference between the 2 year over year is less than half a point. In 2018, Jett Johnson was #20 overall and was rated a .8518. A full point and a half LOWER than the #20 this year.

So this class isn't a down year overall. It is compared to last year. But overall it's deeper than 2018. A little research goes a long way in correcting a false narrative used to bolster one's opinion.

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Did I say this was a down year?

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

It's not a down year. There's not as much high end talent.

For example, currently the 20th ranked player in MS is E'Jai Mason. He's rated .8668. Last year, the 20th recruit was Zac Edwards who went to Louisville. He was rated a .8709. So the difference between the 2 year over year is less than half a point. In 2018, Jett Johnson was #20 overall and was rated a .8518. A full point and a half LOWER than the #20 this year.

So this class isn't a down year overall. It is compared to last year. But overall it's deeper than 2018. A little research goes a long way in correcting a false narrative used to bolster one's opinion.

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It’s a down year. The talent isn’t here this year. It is deep with marginal talent, but it’s not a strong year in MS.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

It’s a down year. The talent isn’t here this year. It is deep with marginal talent, but it’s not a strong year in MS.

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The high end talent isn't there correct. But as far as depth goes, using the 20th player as a consistent measuring point, the 20th player in MS this year is the 2nd highest rated going back all the way to 2014 when I stopped looking. Only year higher was last year.

In addition, in comparison to Jett Johnson who was the 20th rated player in 2018, we have 4 guys this year ranked 23, 25, 26, and 27 in MS. All 4 of them are rated higher than Jett was 2 years ago.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Did I say this was a down year?

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No. But you've perpetuating the myth that Moorhead isn't a better recruiter than Mullen.

If Moorhead signs Marks, that will give him 5 out of state 4 stars in his first 3 classes. Do you know how many Mullen signed in his last 5 years?? 2.

Going backwards from 2017 to 2013 we finished 24, 28, 18, 36, 24. And that #18 class? We enrolled 26. Moorhead has 20 and 21 from the 2 previous years. Average star ratings? Moorhead's worst is an average of 87.2. Last year had an 88.34. Mullen's best year recruiting on average ranking in his last 5 years would finish 3rd behind 2019 and 2020 for Moorhead.

So this myth that Moorhead isn't better than Mullen at recruiting is exactly that. A myth. You can hammer him for on the field play. But find me a period of time with more ready to play freshman over the last decade than we had this year. Moorhead is getting done in recruiting period.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

No. But you've perpetuating the myth that Moorhead isn't a better recruiter than Mullen.

If Moorhead signs Marks, that will give him 5 out of state 4 stars in his first 3 classes. Do you know how many Mullen signed in his last 5 years?? 2.

Going backwards from 2017 to 2013 we finished 24, 28, 18, 36, 24. And that #18 class? We enrolled 26. Moorhead has 20 and 21 from the 2 previous years. Average star ratings? Moorhead's worst is an average of 87.2. Last year had an 88.34. Mullen's best year recruiting on average ranking in his last 5 years would finish 3rd behind 2019 and 2020 for Moorhead.

So this myth that Moorhead isn't better than Mullen at recruiting is exactly that. A myth. You can hammer him for on the field play. But find me a period of time with more ready to play freshman over the last decade than we had this year. Moorhead is getting done in recruiting period.

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Mayden and whop being counted for Moorhead is pretty generous of you considering they were coming before Moorhead was here; I realize whop committed after Mullen was gone, but it was known he was coming. Both are expected to leave, right?

Moorhead had no business undersigning last season

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Mullen wouldn't have us in the top 25 right now in recruiting, with a down year in MS. You can bet your ass on that.

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The difference is Mullen could take a 25 average ranked team and beat joe with 15 average ranked team. Mullen is an arrogant bastard who I didn’t personally like but the man could coach circles around what we have now.

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Originally Posted by DeputyDawg94

The difference is Mullen could take a 25 average ranked team and beat joe with 15 average ranked team. Mullen is an arrogant bastard who I didn’t personally like but the man could coach circles around what we have now.

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I think you are correct. I didn't like Mullen either, but got to admit he's a pretty good coach.

What we are slowly seeing is how good Moorhead is at getting less out of more. I honestly have no idea how he can change this trend and have seen nothing to this point that could be considered as long term positive.

Trey Tuggle just de committed from Tulane. Is this someone we may be going after?

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Originally Posted by Hambone

Trey Tuggle just de committed from Tulane. Is this someone we may be going after?

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A Tulane commit?

He’s 6’6 315. We’ve done worse. Played in the MS/AL all star game. I know nothing about him, therefor I came here to ask.

Why don’t you go start a new thread about some random crap Shotgun.