Florida reported least amount of cases since July 7th and least amount of deaths since July 13th. Their 7-day avg of cases looks like it might continue to go down.
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Florida reported least amount of cases since July 7th and least amount of deaths since July 13th. Their 7-day avg of cases looks like it might continue to go down.
You know as well as anyone that we weren't catching as many cases back then. This whole graphic is disingenuousQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well, those deaths though...you're making excuses. Cuomo let people die.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Louisiana down from 3843 cases yesterday to 2343 today.
I imagine FL has a higher percentage of 65 and older population than NY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
How would catching fewer cases explain New York having over 6 times the number of deaths per 100k?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
There's no doubt FLorida had some advantages that New York didn't (milder weather when first wave hit, less dense, slightly more notice, etc), but nothing that would excuse NY having 6 times the number of deaths per 100k. Cuomo and New York in general just did an awful job. Sending sick people into nursing homes, reducing mass transit capacity, effectively discouraging people from getting outside and encouraging them to remain indoors in relatively cramped quarters, often with multigenerational families. They basically made the wrong decision every time they had the chance.
Other states will probably close some of the gap, but probably none of them will get to NY or NJ levels of bad.
Those deaths were inflated for cash... everyone said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Love the black Nigerian lady doc who rips a new asshole to the fake narrative the "Orange Man Bad" crowd is pushing/spreading.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/202...tion-campaign/
ETA: Fauci been telling everyone mostly the opposite of all of this. And IMO he's known the whole freakin time. What a fraud he is.
A Breitbart story about an event organized by the Tea Party Patriots. Lolz.
You're right. CNN and the Cuomo twins are much more accurate info. I've seen same thing from other doctors and different sites. They've been scared to speak up for fear of repercussions from Fauci and CDC.
There's also the advantage that Florida is only a few weeks into it getting bad there. And it's still bad. Pretty silly to even be comparing the two states before it gets better in Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Cases are already on the decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
NJ with 639 cases, which is most since June 12th. The last thing we need is them taking off again.
Pretty silly to be building the foundation of your stance in all of this on numbers that lagged 4 months from the actual arrival of the virus too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Y'all don't get too fired up about Monday new case numbers being down. If they were high then that WOULD be something to be worried about. That's just the nature of it, things are closed over the weekend. Watch the 7 day moving average when it come to new cases.
What state you talking about, Florida?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
https://i.postimg.cc/6qSMJYRB/13830-...-BA8-A3-C6.jpg
FLorida is only a few weeks into it getting bad there because they didn't do such an awful job stopping the spread. Again, I'm skeptical as to how much of that is due to state action and collective response versus circumstances like weather and density, but if government action does anything, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that New York and New Jersey did a terrible job and Florida is doing a pretty good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Lol...I can't wait for her to be right about alien DNA and people having sex with demons and witches getting them sick. That would be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
And she hasn't ripped anyone a new asshole....unless you're referring to the gullible rubes who buy into her grift.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...hloroquine-and
I guess this is just more "deep state" noise...
But yeah, believe the Nigerian "doctor"/prosperity-gospel minister/crazy person...I'm sure she knows best.
I have no idea what to believe on this drug. Dr. Harvey Risch, a professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine seems like a credible guy though, and he doesn't think this drug is dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
https://republicanfreedom.com/2020/0...ism-ludicrous/
And I know the site is sketchy, but it provides direct quotes.
I don't think it is deep state. I think there is no money to be earned by using it for the drug companies. Most politicians in Washington have Foundations that these companies donate to. They are legal and are run by the wives and children of the politician. They can be paid any amount of salary from the foundation as the foundations want to pay them. the drug companies cannot legally talk to the politicians but they can donate to the foundation and tell the wife what they wish the politician would do. It is a legal bribe and it is why we are all screwed no matter if you are Republican or Democrat. They preach what you want to hear and what they believe but if they have to act on it and it is going to cost them money they will not act on it. They are all going to protect what is theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I don't know if that makes sense or not.
https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-poli...d-of-covid-19/
and here is data quoted in the article
https://www.unthsc.edu/newsroom/wp-c...20-updated.pdf
Re: Stella Immanuel, "Demon Sperm" is trending on Twitter this morning, lol.
7 day case average has been flat now for 10 days. Good sign.
Why do you believe this so easily? Most everyone that was dying in New York was getting this combo. There is no magic cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
The bottom line is this and this alone: If it worked everyone in the whole world would be using it. They aren't. It just doesn't work. That has been proven by sound studies.
Maybe it works for some and not others? There have been people who took it and got better. Maybe that is a coincidence, but try telling them that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
The issue is that most people recover from covid with no medication, so you have no clue if hydroxychloroquine is the reason they got better. It's more likely the person recovered on their own. That doctor is some kind of witch doctor though.
Well it was pulled for being "dangerous", right? It does seem odd that a drug that's been around as long as hydroxychloroquine is now considered dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
It's meant to treat MALARIA. That's it's purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The side effects are rare but severe. Blindness and lethal arrhythmias are two that come to mind. If it doesn't work, even one person with a severe side effect is too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
But it doesn't. In every age group, in every use, it was either no better than not giving it, or in some groups, caused earlier and longer ventilator usage with the same survival rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
But it's better than getting Malaria.... Because it helps you not get malaria.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
For Covid, it might make you be on a ventilator longer, puts you at risk of the other bad side affects, and that's it. It doesn't help.
Why all the angst regarding hudroxychlorquine? Should I contract COVID 19 and my physician advises me to take it, I will. I will not, however, ask him or her to prescribe it because because the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is pimping it. The sickening political debate regarding this drug is maddening.
My dad sent me a link a the Journal of the American Medical Association's comprehensive review of COVID a couple of weeks back, and I meant to toss a link in this thread so that y'all could check it out if you hadn't yet. My bad. Here's the link:
Pathophysiology, Transmission, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Coronavirus Disease 2019
It's dated July 10 so I imagine there are some points that need updating. Still, it's a really good overview. Plus, if you tinker with the window on the right side of the page, you can check out cool infographics and illustrations, like this bad boy:
https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/cont...5G5CRDK6RD3PGA
Science!
Oh, and re: y'all's hydroxychloroquine discussion, here's where stuff stood as of July 10 per the "Treatment" section of the JAMA article (sans the dozen footnotes that are in the paragraph in the article):
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More than 200 trials of chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine, compounds that inhibit viral entry and endocytosis of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro and may have beneficial immunomodulatory effects in vivo, have been initiated, but early data from clinical trials in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 have not demonstrated clear benefit. A clinical trial of 150 patients in China admitted to the hospital for mild to moderate COVID-19 did not find an effect on negative conversion of SARS-CoV-2 by 28 days (the main outcome measure) when compared with standard of care alone. Two retrospective studies found no effect of hydroxychloroquine on risk of intubation or mortality among patients hospitalized for COVID-19. One of these retrospective multicenter cohort studies compared in-hospital mortality between those treated with hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin (735 patients), hydroxychloroquine alone (271 patients), azithromycin alone (211 patients), and neither drug (221 patients), but reported no differences across the groups. Adverse effects are common, most notably QT prolongation with an increased risk of cardiac complications in an already vulnerable population. These findings do not support off-label use of (hydroxy)chloroquine either with or without the coadministration of azithromycin. Randomized clinical trials are ongoing and should provide more guidance.
And as a daily medication for lupus. I have a friend that's been on it daily for many yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Oh my Gosh, have you heard the serious side-effects of half of the drugs advertised on TV these days? The side-effects are worse than the damn condition/disease they are trying to treat. I am listing 3 common drugs advertised on TV below.
HUMIRA can cause serious side effects, including:
Serious infections.
Hepatitis B infection in carriers of the virus.
Allergic reactions.
Nervous system problems.
Blood problems (decreased blood cells that help fight infections or stop bleeding).
Heart failure (new or worsening)
And more!
Xeljanz side-effects include upper respiratory tract infection
cold-like symptoms
diarrhea
rash
\herpes zoster infection (shingles)
headache.
serious infections
cancer
blood clots
and death.
ELIQUIS can cause bleeding
Unexpected bleeding or bleeding that lasts a long time, such as:
Unusual bleeding from the gums
Nosebleeds that happen often
Menstrual or ******l bleeding that is heavier than normal
Bleeding that is severe or you cannot control
Red, pink, or brown urine
Red or black stools (looks like tar)
Coughing up or vomiting blood
Vomit that looks like coffee grounds
Unexpected pain,
swelling, or joint pain
Headaches
Feeling dizzy or weak
Tingling
Numbness
Muscle weakness
Sudden chest pain or
chest tightness
Sudden swelling of your face or tongue
Trouble breathing
Wheezing
Feeling dizzy or faint
And you are now going to complain about a drug (hydroxychloroquine ) that has been around for decades? Complain about the others while you are at it. Don't be selective! That is discrimination you know!!
You sound confused and unable to understand the issue. All medications have side effects, and there's always a trade off for taking a medication. The problem comes in when the medication doesn't treat the condition, and you're not getting a benefit in exchange for the possible side effect. Or if the medication's side effects are life threatening to certain people in a trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab