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12-05-2023, 11:04 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by Catfish

That's the question everyone is waiting on. Still won't stop the 'under the table money' because that's been going on for years.

Exactly, that because the governance is the schools with all the $$ they will not want to give up the power and prestige that they have now. The NCAA is the universities. The ones that can afford to play the game as it exist now and know damn good and well that the rest of us can't. There will never be any equal footing with this. Where does it end up? No one is sure yet. I feel that a 20 or so school league will eventually be put together by the networks, can you imagine the add revenue on that. With that a second tier division will form with its own TV deal and playoff system.
12-05-2023, 11:07 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Who is this said governance? That is the question you have to ask.

Great question and I think that's one of their big decision points.
12-05-2023, 11:14 AM
Quaoarsking

Why do we assume that we would go 9-3 in the Big 12, without SEC TV money and recruiting power?
12-05-2023, 11:20 AM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The P5 uppers need some lowers to beat on. That will likely be our role as college football transitions into the this next phase. Our role is to compete against SC, Mizzou, Kentucky, UPig, Mississippi, and Vandy for tallest midget

That is no different than the situation we've been in for 100 years. Thanks for the info though.
12-05-2023, 11:27 AM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We can win in this conference, we have done it before and we will do it again..........., OM figured this out and went all in........ Now is our time. We have the coach, we are about to have the QB, and we have a two year opening without Bama, LSU, or Auburn on our schedule. Add in to that a 12 team playoff and you have the opportunity. Now we see if we will take it.

Honestly, OM is one of the programs that has me very concerned about our ability going forward. Their latest run started when they didn't allow Arkansas nor Auburn(last year) to out bid them for Kiffin. They fought hard and paid what was necessary to hire him and keep him. That was their first step to being good.

Now I don't know all the details of our coaching search, maybe Lebby was the man all along and will be the next Mullen.... but we didn't land a sitting HC. Maybe it won't matter but....

Back to Kiffin, they are doing all the same stuff they have always done in recruiting and now there is no NCAA to put them on probation and fire the coach. So are we going to kiss ass, spend ridiculous money on recruiting visits and raising our recruiting budget? Nil? Etc etc. They paid Judkins, Dart and another guy to sit on the bench. Will we even get a QB in the portal? We shall see. I heard some good optimistic news on the recruiting trail this weekend that we are doing work on some high school kids. We shall see if they flip. I hope so.

Anyways, bottom line, OM is 10 million ahead of us in booster contributions to the loyalty foundation, who knows how much in NIL and they hit their head on the glass ceiling this year..... beat by Bama and crushed by UGA. However I'd take that result.
12-05-2023, 11:52 AM
RezDog7

But when does the NIL loan mature?
12-05-2023, 12:27 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Honestly, OM is one of the programs that has me very concerned about our ability going forward. Their latest run started when they didn't allow Arkansas nor Auburn(last year) to out bid them for Kiffin. They fought hard and paid what was necessary to hire him and keep him. That was their first step to being good.

Now I don't know all the details of our coaching search, maybe Lebby was the man all along and will be the next Mullen.... but we didn't land a sitting HC. Maybe it won't matter but....

Back to Kiffin, they are doing all the same stuff they have always done in recruiting and now there is no NCAA to put them on probation and fire the coach. So are we going to kiss ass, spend ridiculous money on recruiting visits and raising our recruiting budget? Nil? Etc etc. They paid Judkins, Dart and another guy to sit on the bench. Will we even get a QB in the portal? We shall see. I heard some good optimistic news on the recruiting trail this weekend that we are doing work on some high school kids. We shall see if they flip. I hope so.

Anyways, bottom line, OM is 10 million ahead of us in booster contributions to the loyalty foundation, who knows how much in NIL and they hit their head on the glass ceiling this year..... beat by Bama and crushed by UGA. However I'd take that result.

Just from what I was told after Lebby was hired he was the guy Selmon wanted from the jump. Someone was going to have to blow him away in the interview process to do that and then Lebby blew him away when he interviewed.
12-05-2023, 02:41 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

If you want to talk about threats best for Starkville and the university, yes pure $$$$ from the SEC is what matters.

If you want to talk about enjoying watching State play, let's take extremes: would you rather go 0-12 playing NFL teams, or be 12-0 playing G5s? Now the reality isn't so extreme, the choice os actually "go 5-7 playing in the SEC/Big10 division, or go 9-3 playing KSUs and other castoff former P5 and G5s".

And recruiting? We aren't going to get studs like Simmons, Cox, Sweat much more. Not now that they can get paid $700,000 out of HS. Not now that other SEC teams continue to pour money into analysts and less "diamond in the rough" players go under the radar. Not now that those diamond in the rough can leave state for NIL the second we develop them into a starter at another SEC school.

I don't know. Maybe I'm not a "real" fan. Maybe I'm wrong about the future.

This debate reminds me of thanksgiving at my family- growing up I always wanted to be at the "adult" table. Now that im an adult and have been there several years, you know what I did? I sat at the kids table. Had a blast talking about hulahoops, building fish stick houses, debating how to build the next bond fire, and playing rock paper scissors. You know what the adult table was talking about? A home insurance agent not covering a freezer that got fried in a lightening strike. And as one of the adults under 40, I'm really not supposed to speak.

Do we really want to be at the "adult" table of the football world so we can be miserable getting our ass beat by $14m rosters? Or do we want to be at the kids table with TCU and Arizona where the games are close?

Who says we'd go 12-0 in G5 w/out SEC money and players?
12-05-2023, 02:44 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Who says we'd go 12-0 in G5 w/out SEC money and players?

We wouldn't
12-05-2023, 03:24 PM
ZedFedder

Pete Thamel reporting that Gabriel is set to visit?? Oregon.
12-05-2023, 03:34 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

Pete Thamel reporting that Gabriel is set to visit?? Oregon.

Yea we are playing catch up. The came with the Mariota factor that he could be the next great Oregon QB from Hawaii. Not over yet, but we are behind them for the time being. We are going to have to empty the clip to get him. More than we originally thought.
12-05-2023, 03:34 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

That is no different than the situation we've been in for 100 years. Thanks for the info though.

Correct! And it isn't going to change. The older fans who just went to the games to <support> the boys are over. Schools like State, with small simple good ole folk in their Fanbases, HAVE TO find another way besides asking fans who average $60k to $100k in family income to pay for 18-20 year old football players to possibly and even probably earn more in a 4 year college career than those fans will make in their lifetime . If you think that is not a factor, you don't know a whole lot about human nature.
12-05-2023, 03:38 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Who says we'd go 12-0 in G5 w/out SEC money and players?

The real MSU_is_us didn't say that either. He used that as the extreme. He then qualified his entire post by suggesting 9-3 would be easier in the leftover Big 12, while 5-7 is a given in the SEC/Big 10 Type schedule.
12-05-2023, 03:44 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Yea we are playing catch up. The came with the Mariota factor that he could be the next great Oregon QB from Hawaii. Not over yet, but we are behind them for the time being. We are going to have to empty the clip to get him. More than we originally thought.

I hated seeing that he was interested in Oregon. I still think that Lebby wins out. The kid has followed him everywhere.

If we don't get him, I would assume that would free up a bunch of portal money for some other players, and based on the current portal numbers/rankings we can sure as hell fill our roster.
12-05-2023, 09:56 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Who says we'd go 12-0 in G5 w/out SEC money and players?

I don't mean to imply we would. Point is, we can stack up vs Oklahoma State's and Baylors, we can't stack up vs these SEC juggernauts. No we wouldn't have SEC TV money, but neither would the teams we're playing
12-05-2023, 10:13 PM
CaptainObvious

Our income for 2022-2023 was $110 million and our expenses were $105 million.

Ole Miss income was $133 million and expenses were $138 million.

They are 12th in the SEC and we are 13th assuming Vandy, who doesn't report income, isn't between us and Ole Miss.

I also looked at 2022-2023 for the Big 12.

Obviously the Top 2 are moving to the SEC.

The next 2 current programs that have more revenue than State are Kansas and Iowa State who ranked 3 & 4 behind Texas and Oklahoma. The rest have smaller Revenues then State but aren't far behind. When Arizona and Arizona State join, their current revenue would rank them 1 & 2 without UT and OU in Big 12. Obviously all those TV, Social Media and other Contracts will be re-worked. But main point is if a Super Division were formed without State in it, State would lose the SEC Revenue like you said but other opportunities would likely avail themselves considering no Super Division would likely have no more than 24-36 programs.

To include the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Big 10, and the current PAC 12, Notre Dame, USC, Vandy and the rest of the Private Schools in these 5 conferences,
Plus Central Florida, They could create a 60 program Super Division of programs who had revenue over $85 million annually. That would keep State in as a regular 5-7 team the rest of the SEC can beat up on.
12-07-2023, 07:20 AM
StarkVegasSteve

If we survive the weekend without Gabriel committing, which I do not think he will, he will be here Monday for a visit.
12-07-2023, 08:09 AM
ZedFedder

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

If we survive the weekend without Gabriel committing, which I do not think he will, he will be here Monday for a visit.

That makes me hopeful.
12-07-2023, 08:30 AM
Dawgface

I'm not hopeful at all. If Oregon really wants him they will get him.
12-07-2023, 08:36 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

That makes me hopeful.

I'm sure he will go to the highest bidder, so he needs to make him visits

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