Timeline and Offer

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Sorry, but calling Zack a rube is just not right. Going out and hiring a top OC from an SEC west school is not easy and would require tough negotiations. Either we come to an agreement or we don?t. It doesn?t make someone a rube. I mean would you rather him not try??? I just hope we get a win in these type situations for once!!! It?s probably going to come down to how bad KB wants out.

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I'm not implying he is a rube, but likely used by Sexton as a rube in this situation. If you are publicly going after someone far out of your league, (as Uncle Jr told Tony) you better come heavy. Make a huge offer give him until the end of the day. Have several backups ready - you have to go into this knowing the odds are greatly against you. Jimmy Sexton plays Baccarat when everyone else is pulling the handle on a slot machine.

This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Think about that for a while.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Now that I have done a little more research I would imagine he would want at least the 1.8 million that they paid Odom last year. Probably more. So we're probably looking at at least 2 million. Unless he just wants out of there.

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I don’t know what the man is worth, but I’m ready for us to step up and make a big boy move. Even if we are at 2 mil., Annett and KB together wouldn’t equal Leach(5.5mil right?). And we may be cheaper as whole between KB, ZA, and MB than we were with Leach and ZA.

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

I'm not implying he is a rube, but likely used by Sexton as a rube in this situation. If you are publicly going after someone far out of your league, (as Uncle Jr told Tony) you better come heavy. Make a huge offer give him until the end of the day. Have several backups ready - you have to go into this knowing the odds are greatly against you. Jimmy Sexton plays Baccarat when everyone else is pulling the handle on a slot machine.

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I understand that and laid out that out yesterday, you have to give a strong offer. I probably give more lead way in time IF there's communication through the night. But today is the day one way or another and I make that clear. We do have backup plans which from what I understand are still good options. ZA is a very sharp guy. Not just with X's and O's. He may end up with someone down his list but he definitely has a well planned list of targets.

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

I'm not implying he is a rube, but likely used by Sexton as a rube in this situation. If you are publicly going after someone far out of your league, (as Uncle Jr told Tony) you better come heavy. Make a huge offer give him until the end of the day. Have several backups ready - you have to go into this knowing the odds are greatly against you. Jimmy Sexton plays Baccarat when everyone else is pulling the handle on a slot machine.

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Well in this situation, Sexton is the one who has all the leverage. It’s a lateral move and both sides have enough money to pay really well. Sexton is just sitting on the fence listening to what both sides will offer. I could probably negotiate this deal and have a good outcome for KB. It could be just boiling down to assistant coaches KB wants or other demands like that. And if he really wants out.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I understand that and laid out that out yesterday, you have to give a strong offer. I probably give more lead way in time IF there's communication through the night. But today is the day one way or another and I make that clear. We do have backup plans which from what I understand are still good options. ZA is a very sharp guy. Not just with X's and O's. He may end up with someone down his list but he definitely has a well planned list of targets.

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Got any other names? I’ve been anxious to hear of others

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Sorry, but calling Zack a rube is just not right. Going out and hiring a top OC from an SEC west school is not easy and would require tough negotiations. Either we come to an agreement or we don?t. It doesn?t make someone a rube. I mean would you rather him not try??? I just hope we get a win in these type situations for once!!! It?s probably going to come down to how bad KB wants out.

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No man, don't you know? Random internet dudes posting from their Mom's basement are always smarter, more knowledgeable, and better at being college football head coaches than, you know, actual college football head coaches who make millions to do a good job. Zach is totally a rube. But viverlibre? GENIUS! Just ignore the fact that he doesn't even know that Briles spells his name with an "i", not a "y".

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Got any other names? I’ve been anxious to hear of others

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There's one I'll have to sit on because no sense leaking out a name if we do end up with Briles. I understand we will circle back to Littrell for one and Johns at Duke are 2.

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

I don’t know what the man is worth, but I’m ready for us to step up and make a big boy move. Even if we are at 2 mil., Annett and KB together wouldn’t equal Leach(5.5mil right?). And we may be cheaper as whole between KB, ZA, and MB than we were with Leach and ZA.

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I'm not disagreeing per se, but people need to remember that Arnett won't be at $3M for long if he's successful. He's going to get extended at the end of the next year. Pretty much guaranteed for recruiting purposes. If he has a good year, he's probably going to get moved up to $3.5M minimum. If he has a solid year after that in what should be a rebuilding year, he will have a lot of leverage at that point to ask for and get the SEC average. Now, Briles very may well be gone to a head coaching gig in two years, so it's not like you're committed to paying a top 1% coordinator salary forever, but you also don't want to plan as if you will have a discount on your head coach forever.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I'm not disagreeing per se, but people need to remember that Arnett won't be at $3M for long if he's successful. He's going to get extended at the end of the next year. Pretty much guaranteed for recruiting purposes. If he has a good year, he's probably going to get moved up to $3.5M minimum. If he has a solid year after that in what should be a rebuilding year, he will have a lot of leverage at that point to ask for and get the SEC average. Now, Briles very may well be gone to a head coaching gig in two years, so it's not like you're committed to paying a top 1% coordinator salary forever, but you also don't want to plan as if you will have a discount on your head coach forever.

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I'll let the bean counters worry about the bean counting. If we say we can support what he's asking for financially, offer it and live with it. If not, don't offer it.

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

No man, don't you know? Random internet dudes posting from their Mom's basement are always smarter, more knowledgeable, and better at being college football head coaches than, you know, actual college football head coaches who make millions to do a good job. Zach is totally a rube. But viverlibre? GENIUS! Just ignore the fact that he doesn't even know that Briles spells his name with an "i", not a "y".

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You realize I'm in a "no lose" situation? If the long shot comes home and we hire KB, I'll just reply, 'I'm glad I was wrong."

I'm just trying to set expectations, Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could see this wasn't going to happen. If we offer $2 mil, Ark can offer $2.5, it we offer $2.5, Ark can offer $3, there is no way we are offering $3 (and likely not $2.5 either).

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I'm not disagreeing per se, but people need to remember that Arnett won't be at $3M for long if he's successful. He's going to get extended at the end of the next year. Pretty much guaranteed for recruiting purposes. If he has a good year, he's probably going to get moved up to $3.5M minimum. If he has a solid year after that in what should be a rebuilding year, he will have a lot of leverage at that point to ask for and get the SEC average. Now, Briles very may well be gone to a head coaching gig in two years, so it's not like you're committed to paying a top 1% coordinator salary forever, but you also don't want to plan as if you will have a discount on your head coach forever.

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Well I say if he is successful, it’s money well spent. We were willing to offer Mullen 7mil, so we may have room to spare. Success brings in more money. So just win baby and it will take care of itself. We are not poor.

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

You realize I'm in a "no lose" situation? If the long shot comes home and we hire KB, I'll just reply, 'I'm glad I was wrong."

I'm just trying to set expectations, Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could see this wasn't going to happen. If we offer $2 mil, Ark can offer $2.5, it we offer $2.5, Ark can offer $3, there is no way we are offering $3 (and likely not $2.5 either).

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It’s going to depend if he wants out. You are not taking that into account. If he sees a sinking ship, he may bail. If he’s unhappy, he may bail. All we know is we are in negotiations, so there is some interest. KB could have ended this. I’m sure AR has countered by now and he could have made a decision. We may have to put an ultimatum on KB to sh*t or get off the pot, too. Sexton will keep playing sides till he gets top dollars. But like I said, money may not be the end all be all if KB looking to get out.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I'm not disagreeing per se, but people need to remember that Arnett won't be at $3M for long if he's successful. He's going to get extended at the end of the next year. Pretty much guaranteed for recruiting purposes. If he has a good year, he's probably going to get moved up to $3.5M minimum. If he has a solid year after that in what should be a rebuilding year, he will have a lot of leverage at that point to ask for and get the SEC average. Now, Briles very may well be gone to a head coaching gig in two years, so it's not like you're committed to paying a top 1% coordinator salary forever, but you also don't want to plan as if you will have a discount on your head coach forever.

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Return on investment. Winning pays

Also we can use the rest of the money this year to get Jefferson***

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Return on investment. Winning pays

Also we can use the rest of the money this year to get Jefferson***

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TV contracts are just going to get more valuable. May as well invest now and reap the rewards.

I kinda thought yesterday if it wasn?t done by noon today, then he will not be the OC. I look for plan A or B to move quickly now and hear something this evening.

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Got any other names? I’ve been anxious to hear of others

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Shannon Dawson is a name I've heard a little bit here and there throughout the search. I imagine his name will pick up steam. Kevin Johns will probably be a hot name as well. Littrell is a pipe dream. Kittley has no intention of leaving TTU and I doubt Garrett Riley would bolt after a year and TCU can outspend us by miles.

Those are just the names off the top of my head at the moment. I know Jake Peetz turned down Matt Rhule but you may want to at least gauge his interest. The problem is that any hire not named Kendall Briles is going to be a let down and rightfully so because he will have turned us down. There's no rumors about it, he was offered the position and has an offer, if he is not the hire then the next guy will always be the second choice. If it ever got past Kevin Johns then you could always just give it to Chris Hatcher.

I think the Briles shipped has sailed. Sexton strikes again!

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Originally Posted by Tough Dawg

I think the Briles shipped has sailed. Sexton strikes again!

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Ya'll kill me with this.. Patience

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Shannon Dawson is a name I've heard a little bit here and there throughout the search. I imagine his name will pick up steam. Kevin Johns will probably be a hot name as well. Littrell is a pipe dream. Kittley has no intention of leaving TTU and I doubt Garrett Riley would bolt after a year and TCU can outspend us by miles.

Those are just the names off the top of my head at the moment. I know Jake Peetz turned down Matt Rhule but you may want to at least gauge his interest. The problem is that any hire not named Kendall Briles is going to be a let down and rightfully so because he will have turned us down. There's no rumors about it, he was offered the position and has an offer, if he is not the hire then the next guy will always be the second choice. If it ever got past Kevin Johns then you could always just give it to Chris Hatcher.

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What about Chris Hatcher? His name was mentioned early on. Or is he like a plan D type?