Next Head FB coach

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I have never heard this before. Interesting. ��

People on here said similar things about Leach as well but it was far from reality. I'm honestly not sure on Spurrier.

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Seen several hint at he was part of the issues with Rara and Zavion. Don't know the truth behind that though.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Clay went 6-6 in year one at Georgia Southern. Only reason he might come is if Benko is the AD.

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And worse than that this year. If Benko came in and hired Clay Helton you'd probably piss off over half the fan base. IMO that would be a terrible first hire to make. I think it would be momentum crushing.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

With all due respect to Keenum and the situation he really needs to think about this.

Yes I understand we need to be respectful. Yes I understand we don't need to rush an AD hire. But we also need to do what is best for MSU and our players long term as well. That's just reality.

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Completely agree. It's not easy, but sometimes tough decision have to be made. This hire needs to happen asap.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

And worse than that this year. If Benko came in and hired Clay Helton you'd probably piss off over half the fan base. IMO that would be a terrible first hire to make. I think it would be momentum crushing.

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Clay Helton has no business being the head coach at State. He failed spectacularly at USC with all the resources in the world.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Seen several hint at he was part of the issues with Rara and Zavion. Don't know the truth behind that though.

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I can't argue that they didn't like Spurrier Jr bc I'd be lying. I don't know. But it isn't why they left. They felt like they were worth more than they're actually were. Especially RaRa.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Clay Helton has no business being the head coach at State. He failed spectacularly at USC with all the resources in the world.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Pushing the AD search back to after the holidays is so misguided.

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The only logical reason on that if we were going to hire Arnett as our HC. The players and our recruits need to know the coaching situation sooner rather then later, and they don't care who the AD is. There is no best solution concerning the route to go in hiring a HC under these circumstances. There are positives and negatives to any situation you pursue.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I can't argue that they didn't like Spurrier Jr bc I'd be lying. I don't know. But it isn't why they left. They felt like they were worth more than they're actually were. Especially RaRa.

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Oh I know, but I think his relationship with them did not help the situation needless to say.

The AD search had to be pushed back because of conflicts with timing, funeral and the holidays. There were interviews still scheduled to take place end of this week.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I can't argue that they didn't like Spurrier Jr bc I'd be lying. I don't know. But it isn't why they left. They felt like they were worth more than they're actually were. Especially RaRa.

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Zavion wanted to play at LSU and maybe he thought he had an offer, but he apparently got misled by the one advising him. He may even be back. RaRa was the money one.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Oh I know, but I think his relationship with them did not help the situation needless to say.

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I definitely can't argue that point. I have no idea. If he isn't liked among the players then we definitely can't consider him as a head coach or even an offensive coordinator lol.

But I just go back to how so many people were completely wrong when they said similar things about Leach. This team absolutely loved the guy. Offensive & defensive players. This is going to be really hard on these young men.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The AD search had to be pushed back because of conflicts with timing, funeral and the holidays. There were interviews still scheduled to take place end of this week.

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Pushing back for a few days, sure, but if you have access to a plane, not sure why you'd push it back past the holidays.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Pushing back for a few days, sure, but if you have access to a plane, not sure why you'd push it back past the holidays.

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Again, there are conflicts. With us and the candidates and throwing the holidays and plans on top of it. It's ok, we will be fine. It won't destroy our program in a matter of few weeks.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

The only logical reason on that if we were going to hire Arnett as our HC. The players and our recruits need to know the coaching situation sooner rather then later, and they don't care who the AD is. There is no best solution concerning the route to go in hiring a HC under these circumstances. There are positives and negatives to any situation you pursue.

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We drug our feet spectacularly on hiring a new AD. Keenum deserves criticism for that. But, with a low end contract with a low buyout, hiring a coach now is likely going to happen IMO. It just makes sense. Sucks all this is happening. But if Arnett doesn't work out in two years you cut him loose. Of course, many seem to forget, players can haul ass when the coach is fired. So it's this year or in a couple years if it doesn't work out. Pick your poison and pray Arnett works out.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

And worse than that this year. If Benko came in and hired Clay Helton you'd probably piss off over half the fan base. IMO that would be a terrible first hire to make. I think it would be momentum crushing.

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To be clear I would want Tyson Helton his brother but why would hiring Clay Helton piss off half the fan base? You're mistaken he went 6-6 this year and he beat Nebraska and Appalachian State.


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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We drug our feet spectacularly on hiring a new AD. Keenum deserves criticism for that. But, with a low end contract with a low buyout, hiring a coach now is likely going to happen IMO. It just makes sense. Sucks all this is happening. But if Arnett doesn't work out in two years you cut him loose. Of course, many seem to forget, players can haul ass when the coach is fired. So it's this year or in a couple years if it doesn't work out. Pick your poison and pray Arnett works out.

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Can the players leave now under our coaching circumstances?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We drug our feet spectacularly on hiring a new AD. Keenum deserves criticism for that. But, with a low end contract with a low buyout, hiring a coach now is likely going to happen IMO. It just makes sense. Sucks all this is happening. But if Arnett doesn't work out in two years you cut him loose. Of course, many seem to forget, players can haul ass when the coach is fired. So it's this year or in a couple years if it doesn't work out. Pick your poison and pray Arnett works out.

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THIS

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Can the players leave now under our coaching circumstances?

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If players can get a pass when their coach leaves, there's no way in hell the ncaa would stop them after the death of a coach

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We drug our feet spectacularly on hiring a new AD. Keenum deserves criticism for that. But, with a low end contract with a low buyout, hiring a coach now is likely going to happen IMO. It just makes sense. Sucks all this is happening. But if Arnett doesn't work out in two years you cut him loose. Of course, many seem to forget, players can haul ass when the coach is fired. So it's this year or in a couple years if it doesn't work out. Pick your poison and pray Arnett works out.

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I disagree. We had no immediate coaching hires - so taking our time and finding a quality fit was way more important than rushing this hire. Rushing a hire is partly how we wound up with Cohen.