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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Exactly. Too many people are ignoring what is happening weekly on the field. They are letting meaningless wins over cream puffs cloud their judgement and blind them of the shitty play and coaching blunders.

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You are a smart guy but with all due respect, I am confused. You recognize that the chickenshit OCC schedule has made Mullen look much better than he really is. You must then agree that it is part of our current quandry of firing a guy who has taken us to multiple bowls. Yet, you have said repeatedly that you agree with playing those SWAC/Sunbelt teams? How can you say "a bowl is not a bowl" when you say "a win is a win" and no one cares who you beat?

"A win is a win" is the ultimate expression of mediocrity. We gain nothing from beating Jackson St. Nothing.

I not only believe that teams play down to their opponents. I believe they play down to their schedules, too. They look at it and circle the wins and feel no real pressure to beat any good teams. Heck, they didn't last year and were heros to most fans. Gator Bowl and all that. As long as we give them the easy road to a bowl (4 cupcakes, Ky and Vandy) why do we expect them to elevate in those other games and get the big upset wins that we simply must have? No need.

I say again. It is crucial that we get away from the laughable chickenshit OOC schedule and play teams that we can beat but not be ridiculed for playing. There are a lot of teams between Okla St and Alcorn St. We need to find some. We need our team focused and working and improving every week. I don't think they do that in the weeks before those cupcakes. We are, in effect, losing 4 weeks of valuable practice time, too. Those weeks are a waste for the team, the fans and everyone else.

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Originally Posted by HunterDawg

You are a smart guy but with all due respect, I am confused. You recognize that the chickenshit OCC schedule has made Mullen look much better than he really is. You must then agree that it is part of our current quandry of firing a guy who has taken us to multiple bowls. Yet, you have said repeatedly that you agree with playing those SWAC/Sunbelt teams? How can you say "a bowl is not a bowl" when you say "a win is a win" and no one cares who you beat?

"A win is a win" is the ultimate expression of mediocrity. We gain nothing from beating Jackson St. Nothing.

I not only believe that teams play down to their opponents. I believe they play down to their schedules, too. They look at it and circle the wins and feel no real pressure to beat any good teams. Heck, they didn't last year and were heros to most fans. Gator Bowl and all that. As long as we give them the easy road to a bowl (4 cupcakes, Ky and Vandy) why do we expect them to elevate in those other games and get the big upset wins that we simply must have? No need.

I say again. It is crucial that we get away from the laughable chickenshit OOC schedule and play teams that we can beat but not be ridiculed for playing. There are a lot of teams between Okla St and Alcorn St. We need to find some. We need our team focused and working and improving every week. I don't think they do that in the weeks before those cupcakes. We are, in effect, losing 4 weeks of valuable practice time, too. Those weeks are a waste for the team, the fans and everyone else.

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You're right, I did say every bit of that. And that is exactly my point...we have to learn to quit judging our coaches on bowl games. 70 teams make bowl games, so that is a terrible judge of how good a coach is. What I'm saying is, we need to play weak OOC teams because we play a tough enough schedule in conference to where it is unnecessary to play a tough OOC. Literally, makes no sense. Plus, that makes it easier for us to become bowl eligible every year.

BUT, if we're going to do that, then we as fans and our Administration, have GOT to learn to quit judging the coach on wins and losses and bowl games ONLY. We can have the best of both worlds if we will learn that a bowl game doesn't automatically equal a contract extension, or even a job. A prime example is last year and this year. We won 8 games against really bad teams last year, and looked terrible as a whole last season. This season, we have looked bad and horribly coached. So if people would open their eyes, we could go ahead and make the coaching change because regardless of record, we are underachieving and have horrible coaching since last year. Why the hell do we have to go 5-7 for 2 straight years to consider firing a coach when we can see enough to do it during a 8-5 and potentially 5-7 season? We shouldn't have to wait.

But since our fans and administration are too damn stupid to see the writing on the wall, and would rather have a rebuild on our hands before firing a coach...I'm starting to think maybe we need to play a tougher schedule. That's the only way for our small minded fans to see a turd when it's staring them in the face.

As long as they can bring their D game and win half our games, it will be very hard to ever get their A game when we need it.

We need to at least require the B or C game every week. Our team may be inconsistent because our schedule is so inconsistent. Plays that work wonderfully one week lose 5 yards the next. Very hard for us to identify and correct problems in those games. Every play works.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

If you aren't capable of acknowledging that Mullen inherited a MUCH better situation than Croom inherited then you can't talk with the grown ups. And remember, this is a Comparison to Croom, not Nick Saban, but freakin Sly Croom.

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I'm not sure abou that. Attitudes? Maybe talent? No. Croom inherited multiple nfl guys and we lost to MAINE! Who did Mullen inherit besides dixon that was an nfl guy?

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Originally Posted by HunterDawg

As long as they can bring their D game and win half our games, it will be very hard to ever get their A game when we need it.

We need to at least require the B or C game every week. Our team may be inconsistent because our schedule is so inconsistent. Plays that work wonderfully one week lose 5 yards the next. Very hard for us to identify and correct problems in those games. Every play works.

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Sorry, but that sounds like garbage to me. They play 12 games a damn year....if you can't get your team up 12 times in a calendar year, that speaks more to you as a coach. We're talking 4 games against weaker teams. Four. Out of 12. Come on, mane

maybe we should move into the NFC south.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

maybe we should move into the NFC south.

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No shit. People amaze me. There is literally zero point in playing tough OOC opponents. Zero.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

This argument plus croom diaries is all I need.

I've been off the Mullen bandwagon for a couple of weeks now, but wins against Arkansas and om will no longer change my mind.

We are not getting better. Players have lost the fire to play for Mullen for whatever reason and I have no reason to believe a change would set us back.....for now. If we let this go on in another disappointing season with the media beating us up for underachieving, we will lose our opportunity to build on something.

I hear the friction is that HUD and Strick don't work together and HUD is putting stipulations on the relationship if he's hired. Stipulations that Keenum won't accept at this point.

I hope we find a way through this with as little damage as possible, but I do recognize the mistakes made in keeping bellard, felker, sherrill, to long and the advantage we kept in moving to Mullen as quickly as we did one year removed from a bowl win.

I think to put it in a political term, "lame duck" is the best way to describe our coaching staff right now.

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Well Strick needs to get with the program and realize his job is to have a successful athletic department, not be best buds with his head coaches. Has anyone seen our crowds in the Hump the last couple of years? If we don't have the right football HC to be successful, and I do think Hud is a guy who could be very successful at MSU and fits our culture, then Strick can be proud of his HC who he enjoys working with and is supposedly running the program the "right way" but our crowds at DWS may start looking the same as what has been at the Hump lately.

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Originally Posted by HunterDawg

You are a smart guy but with all due respect, I am confused. You recognize that the chickenshit OCC schedule has made Mullen look much better than he really is. You must then agree that it is part of our current quandry of firing a guy who has taken us to multiple bowls. Yet, you have said repeatedly that you agree with playing those SWAC/Sunbelt teams? How can you say "a bowl is not a bowl" when you say "a win is a win" and no one cares who you beat?

"A win is a win" is the ultimate expression of mediocrity. We gain nothing from beating Jackson St. Nothing.

I not only believe that teams play down to their opponents. I believe they play down to their schedules, too. They look at it and circle the wins and feel no real pressure to beat any good teams. Heck, they didn't last year and were heros to most fans. Gator Bowl and all that. As long as we give them the easy road to a bowl (4 cupcakes, Ky and Vandy) why do we expect them to elevate in those other games and get the big upset wins that we simply must have? No need.

I say again. It is crucial that we get away from the laughable chickenshit OOC schedule and play teams that we can beat but not be ridiculed for playing. There are a lot of teams between Okla St and Alcorn St. We need to find some. We need our team focused and working and improving every week. I don't think they do that in the weeks before those cupcakes. We are, in effect, losing 4 weeks of valuable practice time, too. Those weeks are a waste for the team, the fans and everyone else.

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We played Oklahoma State this year. How is that working out for us as far as playing up to our opponents this year?

By your theory, we should be even better than we were last year because we played Oklahoma State.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You're right, I did say every bit of that. And that is exactly my point...we have to learn to quit judging our coaches on bowl games. 70 teams make bowl games, so that is a terrible judge of how good a coach is.

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Yet only 7...SEVEN SEC teams have been to 3 straight bowls even though it's so damn easy to go to a bowl

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Originally Posted by HunterDawg

As long as they can bring their D game and win half our games, it will be very hard to ever get their A game when we need it.

We need to at least require the B or C game every week. Our team may be inconsistent because our schedule is so inconsistent. Plays that work wonderfully one week lose 5 yards the next. Very hard for us to identify and correct problems in those games. Every play works.

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I guess you missed the Bowling Green game this year.

I'd actually say we're very consistent. We beat teams we should and get blown out by top 20 teams.

A good coach at any level can use those games properly.

5 didn't make a bowl last year and 4 of them fired their coach.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

5 didn't make a bowl last year and 4 of them fired their coach.

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Bingo.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

5 didn't make a bowl last year and 4 of them fired their coach.

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Kentucky and Tennessee had missed bowls for multiple seasons- not 1 time

UPig had an interim coach- he was going to be fired regardless

Auburn was a cluster

The thing is- the school that stuck with their coach for his down season after a a good run- Missouri- is now reaping the benefits for doing so.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Kentucky and Tennessee had missed bowls for multiple seasons- not 1 time

UPig had an interim coach- he was going to be fired regardless

Auburn was a cluster

The thing is- the school that stuck with their coach for his down season after a a good run- Missouri- is now reaping the benefits for doing so.

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Haha, good try. Pinkle has proven a TON. Mullen...not so much.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Haha, good try. Pinkle has proven a TON. Mullen...not so much.

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Was no trying to it- I just brought facts

And this is where I disagree with you guys. Winning 8-9 games at Miss State is a big deal. We've only won 10 once in my lifetime.

If only AU had stuck with Chizick. Dooley was close too. Joker just needed more time.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Was no trying to it- I just brought facts

And this is where I disagree with you guys. Winning 8-9 games at Miss State is a big deal. We've only won 10 once in my lifetime.

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No one disagrees with that.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Was no trying to it- I just brought facts

And this is where I disagree with you guys. Winning 8-9 games at Miss State is a big deal. We've only won 10 once in my lifetime.

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For the love of God, why do you keep comparing everything to our shitty history? The SEC is different now. Vandy is winning 8 games per year these days. 8 wins against 8 really bad teams, and 5 blowout losses against any team with a pulse, is nothing to beat our chests over. At some point you have to look at what is happening on the field.

I hope Mullen figures something out over these next 3 games....but I'm shocked that you can't see these issues.

With our fans saying a bowl game guarantees your job, i can think of a good reason.

Everyone disagrees I get it. And I'm done arguing it. But if the same people next year say its time for a change after we win 6, I hope someone calls bullshit.