WOW, Mizzou's football team quits

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Originally Posted by Coach

No... This is being played out as a racial issue. Not 1 single person in this thread, nor ESPN, NOR uSAToday..etc believes anything else. There has not been one word about anything else by the national media.

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Bud, with all respect you want a racial issue so you can take a stand against it. I'm honestly appalled at our fans on this issue... people that don't live (and never have) in the state of Missouri, have never set foot on the campus, have never voted or paid a dollar in taxes in the state are SO SURE they're right about something they don't understand at all and COMLETELY DISMISS the people living in the situation, dealing with the facts and making their own judgments about how to express themselves.

Honestly, look at yourselves in the mirror and think about this for a minute. How can you be so sure you're right about something you truly don't understand at all? The answer is pretty obvious...

And regarding no word in the national media, you're right if you're reading ESPN. The Missouri papers are laying out the broader issues re: lack of confidence in his leadership and while race is the hot button issue, it's clearly not the only one. The details are well documented...

Guys, I'm out of this thread for awhile. I hate to see our nation like this. It's not just this event, it's the nation as a whole. I seriously have never seen it so bad.

FWIW there are (Republican) politicians calling for the President's removal: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...e43682574.html

Pinkel is willing to lie...we know that now. That bodes poorly for the outcome here. Not one college student or staff will be willing to buck the liberal orthodoxy on this. They'll cave, they'll lie, they live with some cognitive dissonance and try to maintain a brave (false) front..

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

Bud, with all respect you want a racial issue so you can take a stand against it. I'm honestly appalled at our fans on this issue... people that don't live (and never have) in the state of Missouri, have never set foot on the campus, have never voted or paid a dollar in taxes in the state are SO SURE they're right about something they don't understand at all and COMLETELY DISMISS the people living in the situation, dealing with the facts and making their own judgments about how to express themselves.

Honestly, look at yourselves in the mirror and think about this for a minute. How can you be so sure you're right about something you truly don't understand at all? The answer is pretty obvious...

And regarding no word in the national media, you're right if you're reading ESPN. The Missouri papers are laying out the broader issues re: lack of confidence in his leadership and while race is the hot button issue, it's clearly not the only one. The details are well documented...

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Randy, Who wants a racial issue? What an ignorant thing to say. Nobody I know of wants a racial issue, but what's being played out right now IS a racial issue. You will not find a single person that will honestly say that what they are reading isnt about race! And that's what we are talking about.... what's being reported.

You mean the paper you cited? http://www.columbiamissourian.com/ne...0aab0bf74.html

Come on. You are now back peddling.

And for the record... I lived a MAJOR part of my life in Mo.... My WIFE still has her home there. So let's not do this....

Randy, this is about race. And one race is getting out of its place!

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Originally Posted by Coach

The only part of MIZZOU faculty that has been vocal is the english department. That's all.

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The Political Science department supports the protests: https://twitter.com/MizzouPoliSci/st...10837173157888
The Gender Studies department supports the protests: https://twitter.com/mizzouwgst/statu...02295358754816
The Religion department supports the protests: https://twitter.com/MizzouRelSt/stat...91972464332800
There may be (and probably are) others. I just found these in a couple minutes of Twitter browsing.

And minority faculty from across many departments have been vocal:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTVu-9pUsAA8TfD.jpg

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

These 'students' are dysfunctional, unruly and want nothing more than to create chaos. And they reason they do that, is because they think they will advance themselves through the chaos.

They need to be stopped. Protests are fine, but stopping parades (disturbing the peace) and the like need to be handled swiftly. They are NOT being discriminated against by this president. It's freaking unbelievable that reasonable humans would give these morons the time of day.

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Exactly, and they learned it from the bullshit leniency that has been given to the other "protester" groups that have been terrorizing US cities over the last couple years.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The Political Science department supports the protests: https://twitter.com/MizzouPoliSci/st...10837173157888
The Gender Studies department supports the protests: https://twitter.com/mizzouwgst/statu...02295358754816
The Religion department supports the protests: https://twitter.com/MizzouRelSt/stat...91972464332800
There may be (and probably are) others. I just found these in a couple minutes of Twitter browsing.

And minority faculty from across many departments have been vocal:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTVu-9pUsAA8TfD.jpg

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We were talking about the removal of the president. What you just posted was not a letter calling for the removal of Wolfe or Loftin. This is also not a "Vote of no confidence"

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Originally Posted by Coach

We were talking about the removal of the president. What you just posted was not a letter calling for the removal of Wolfe or Loftin. This is also not a "Vote of no confidence"

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I think you're splitting hairs here. If a department or professor is explicitly endorsing the protests, they are supporting the goals of the protesters.


ETA: The Communication Department too: https://twitter.com/MizzouComm/statu...44100172017664

"Institutionalized racism" and "Gravely concerned with students' ability to succeed and thrive at this institution" are pretty significant accusations - the "oppressive environment" too. Extraordinary claims should require extraordinary proof in most situations, shouldn't they? I was on campus there about a year ago and saw a variety of students of all imaginable backgrounds going about their business and interacting across racial and ethnic lines without any apparent difficulties. The oppressive environment apparently doesn't encompass everyone.

Other than some occasional rednecks spouting ignorant blather that most other people are apparently perfectly able to identify as such, is there some other documentation of what makes UMissouri so oppressive? Because I apparently can't trust my own lying eyes in this matter.

Also - seems like this thread should go to the politics forum.

I have more regard for the integrity and common sense of the average hog farmer than I do for the typical university professor. Missouri officials are almost guaranteed to mishandle this fustercluck and make things worse than they were before

This is sort of shit we're dealing with this days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0

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Originally Posted by AlmostPositive

I have more regard for the integrity and common sense of the average hog farmer than I do for the typical university professor. Missouri officials are almost guaranteed to mishandle this fustercluck and make things worse than they were before

This is sort of shit we're dealing with this days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IEFD_JVYd0

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She seems unhinged...but do you know what she was upset about?

This doesn't necessarily prove anything, but (white) Missouri player Michael Scherer says the entire team is united and that the mystery source isn't reliable:

"Just because everyone wasn't in the picture doesn't mean that we don't all stand together as a family. Whoever is speaking against our Unity as a family and team is not apart of the same family that I am. by that I am saying that I don't believe that anyone in our locker room would ever say that and the "mystery informant" isn't reliable."
https://twitter.com/Mike_Scherer38/s...68943710273536
https://twitter.com/Mike_Scherer38/s...69038690267136
https://twitter.com/Mike_Scherer38/s...71080875917312

Again, doesn't prove that the team is united. In fact, I would be shocked if there wasn't at least 1 player who didn't agree and was just going along with it out of perceived peer pressure. But it does give evidence that that the mystery man probably wasn't speaking on very many people's behalf.

Perhaps people who wanted to discount the "anonymous source" were all too eager to believe it without question because it's what they wanted to hear? In fairness, the reverse is probably true too.

ETA Scherer is a starting LB and is second on the team in tackles.

She was upset about the professor's suggestion to not let halloween costumes give her a case of the vapors.

But I don't really give a shit what she's bothered about..she's a hypocritical twenty-year-old nitwit who knows almost nothing about life. How happy would you be to let her and twenty of her closest friends dictate policy for your school?

When I say dictate, I mean that in the normal figurative sense. She had the professor fully cowed. We know why. You can insult and shout and harass and intimidate if you're in the right group. But woe betide you if it gets you sideways with the PCbots.

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Originally Posted by smootness

She seems unhinged...but do you know what she was upset about?

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"The video below has been making the rounds on the internet. It shows a young woman screaming in the face of Yale professor Nicholas Christakis about the alleged plight of minority students. Why the hysterical shrieking? Because the professor?s wife (a Yale lecturer) had the audacity to write an email to students at Silliman College, one of Yale?s so-called ?residential colleges,? questioning excessive sensitivity over Halloween costumes."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...s-david-french

Nice article http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...estions-110815

Why are Mizzou players on strike?

Because of two instances of racial slurs on campus, a poop swastika -- seriously, it's like "South Park" is writing a campus satire -- graduate student health issues, and a lack of action from University of Missouri president Tim Wolfe. Why Wolfe? Because presumably it is now the university president's job to make sure that no one ever says anything offensive to anyone on campus via spoken or written word, or poop hate symbols. (I haven't Googled it, but couldn't the poop swastika actually be a meta commentary ridiculing the swastika? Like, I'm sure that has been featured in a Brooklyn art show at some point in the past ten years. Think about it, if someone made a poop Alabama logo at Auburn, would you immediately think it was endorsing Alabama? Or the exact opposite? But I digress).


Anyway, activists are demanding that Wolfe step down after announcing his white privilege in a public forum. (Isn't announcing your white privilege at a public forum just more evidence of white privilege? Why are people there to see you denounce your white privilege? Because you have the power to call a press conference thanks to your white privilege. By the way, if I were a rapper, I would totally name myself "White Privilege." Game. Over.)

So there's a hunger strike and some people camping out and now the Missouri football team has decided it won't play unless the president steps down.

Personally, I think anyone who believes that all 80 players are happy to cancel games over politics is a fool. Many are just falling in line with the group because they are afraid of the consequences otherwise..

These days it's very popular to protest things that everyone is already opposed to. ("Bro, your micro aggressions against my anti-slavery petition will not stand.") But the protest really takes off when you find a villain and charge him with the root cause of the issues at hand. Enter President Wolfe, an aloof middle-aged white man who is the perfect villain for a campus crusade against racism. Even if, you know, he isn't racist or involved in any of the actions on campus that people are protesting.

So you've got your villain, what comes next?

You demand his firing.

Because it's not a real bona fide campus protest unless someone gets fired. The mob needs a head to parade around. "You know how much we fought racism at Mizzou? We replaced one middle-aged white dude with another middle aged white dude. Eracism, bitch!"

Now we're starting to go off the deep end here. The President may well be an arrogant a-hole that can't lead. But while some people are saying it's far from a race issue, almost everything coming out is tied to race.

Read the intro to that letter. Now with an open mind and most of you having spent time on a major university in what is considered the most racist state in the Union, can you read that statement with a straight face and not call utter BS on a lot of it? "Oppressive environment", grave concerns over ability to thrive? Some of these department letters are almost comical.

To quote Chris Carter "C'MON MAN" - I absolutely refuse to believe most of that crap.

It's out of hand and people are just dogpiling on one way or another. As other posters have said some are dogpiling to to be part of cause and show of force, others are piling on to show "they aren't racist". The fact that certain groups are supporting the protest doesn't lead me to believe that the cause is any more right or wrong because it's groups I expect to jump on whatever bandwagon makes them look the best in any situation.