2026 Mississippi State Football Coaching Turnover Tracker 2.0

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

How did they come from Lebby? Only one player played at Oklahoma with Lebby. The rest of the guys were recruited by their position coach, Bumphis. Just so you guys are aware head coaches are apart of the recruiting process not the head. Lebby would be responsible for Thompson because he knew him. The remainder "Top guys" come from the position coach recruiting them.

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I posted during the regular season that I counted about 24 WR types on our roster and we never even had a third receiver step up. Looks like a lot of bad evaluations or lack of development from someone. Heck, on the pass call (Boneheaded in my opinion), against FL, we had a true FR WR running a slant (and our 6th year 6' 2",(?), QB didn't see a 6"4" 320 NT drop into coverage. It was reported here that he ran the wrong pattern, I don't really know, but a critical call to a FR with about one catch at that time in the year.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I don't know that Derrick helps you with Caleb all that much but he may help you a WHOLE LOT with Cam Coleman.

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Cam Coleman will be going to OU. Unless we way overspend to outbid them.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

How did they come from Lebby? Only one player played at Oklahoma with Lebby. The rest of the guys were recruited by their position coach, Bumphis. Just so you guys are aware head coaches are apart of the recruiting process not the head. Lebby would be responsible for Thompson because he knew him. The remainder "Top guys" come from the position coach recruiting them.

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Anthony Evans was originally an OU commit under Lebby. Georgia outbid them late and he took the bag. The relationship was already built prior.

Craver is Bump's. Not gonna argue what happened on the way out or give 50/50 here. But Bump got us 1 year of Craver.

Coleman was Lebby. For argument sake - I'll give you half because I know you're going to argue it. So 1.5 seasons of good WR play in 3 years. Even rounding up to 2 years - that's anemic. 2 WR seasons with a good season in 3 years that he recruited. You need at minimum 2 seasons a year - ideally 3 to be competitive. He just wasn't producing, I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Cam Coleman will be going to OU. Unless we way overspend to outbid them.

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Give Kamario a big body that can roll like Coleman to throw to and overspending may be worth it.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Give Kamario a big body that can roll like Coleman to throw to and overspending may be worth it.

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This. It's amazing what one really good extra guy can do for you, especially when you consider your number one then becomes a number two and so on.

Hutzler to Auburn as DE coach.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Give Kamario a big body that can roll like Coleman to throw to and overspending may be worth it.

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We better spend the majority up front, its hard to throw a pass laying on the turf.

Matt Holecek... Steve is saying something is happening there. Looks like he is gone.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Matt Holecek... Steve is saying something is happening there. Looks like he is gone.

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Again, something we've hinted heavily at. I had heard that Kendall would be the hire. That didn't come to fruition, although I guess I should've just taken the info I got on the surface and not tried to infer.

What I was told was, "Art has told Kendall his best way to get a HC job is get back into the SEC." I just assumed that meant us. I should've probably asked specifically about us. A few other TCU guys in DFW that I know thought the same as me so I really thought that's where this was heading. Oh well, missed on that one.

I really don't know who the hire will be. Phillip Montgomery makes a lot of sense due to previously coaching with Lebby at Baylor and being a part of that tree but I wouldn't be comfortable saying that's who we're targeting

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Again, something we've hinted heavily at. I had heard that Kendall would be the hire. That didn't come to fruition, although I guess I should've just taken the info I got on the surface and not tried to infer.

What I was told was, "Art has told Kendall his best way to get a HC job is get back into the SEC." I just assumed that meant us. I should've probably asked specifically about us. A few other TCU guys in DFW that I know thought the same as me so I really thought that's where this was heading. Oh well, missed on that one.

I really don't know who the hire will be. Phillip Montgomery makes a lot of sense due to previously coaching with Lebby at Baylor and being a part of that tree but I wouldn't be comfortable saying that's who we're targeting

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Fwiw I independently did the same thing and reached the same conclusion. Looking at other folks reaction though I do think might have talked ourselves up a bit much on the Briles thing.

For me - I just want an OC that Lebby can delegate some HC/OC responsibilities to.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Fwiw I independently did the same thing and reached the same conclusion. Looking at other folks reaction though I do think might have talked ourselves up a bit much on the Briles thing.

For me - I just want an OC that Lebby can delegate some HC/OC responsibilities to.

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That was where I was drawing my conclusions. I had reported all of that stuff about 5 hours after the Egg Bowl and had been talking to my TCU buddies in Dallas and the conclusion all of us came to was that from what they were hearing and reading between the lines, Kendall was going to be at State. One of them text me last night and said:

"Kendall just hitched his wagon to Shane 17 Beamer?!?!? At least Lebby is his brother in law and that one makes a little bit of sense."

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I posted during the regular season that I counted about 24 WR types on our roster and we never even had a third receiver step up. Looks like a lot of bad evaluations or lack of development from someone. Heck, on the pass call (Boneheaded in my opinion), against FL, we had a true FR WR running a slant (and our 6th year 6' 2",(?), QB didn't see a 6"4" 320 NT drop into coverage. It was reported here that he ran the wrong pattern, I don't really know, but a critical call to a FR with about one catch at that time in the year.

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Lol, the wrong route? The ball was intercepted by the DT. There's no route ran where that happens that's all on Shapen for hittinghim in the chest.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Lol, the wrong route? The ball was intercepted by the DT. There's no route ran where that happens that's all on Shapen for hittinghim in the chest.

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Yeah anybody that thinks that wasn't on Shapen don't know ball

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Originally Posted by Tater

Anthony Evans was originally an OU commit under Lebby. Georgia outbid them late and he took the bag. The relationship was already built prior.

Craver is Bump's. Not gonna argue what happened on the way out or give 50/50 here. But Bump got us 1 year of Craver.

Coleman was Lebby. For argument sake - I'll give you half because I know you're going to argue it. So 1.5 seasons of good WR play in 3 years. Even rounding up to 2 years - that's anemic. 2 WR seasons with a good season in 3 years that he recruited. You need at minimum 2 seasons a year - ideally 3 to be competitive. He just wasn't producing, I'm sorry.

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I simply say 2 years under Lebby and the WR'S have not been the reasoning for any loss. Evaluations are finalized by the head coach who also scouts via film. Those so called poor scouting takes lay square on the head coaches shoulders.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Yeah anybody that thinks that wasn't on Shapen don't know ball

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Or didn't watch the game

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Lol, the wrong route? The ball was intercepted by the DT. There's no route ran where that happens that's all on Shapen for hittinghim in the chest.

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Oh he did run the wrong route. That is supposed to be an option route. Still does not excuse Shapen for throwing it directly to the DE. Even if the receiver runs the correct route, the ball is still picked.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Oh he did run the wrong route. That is supposed to be an option route. Still does not excuse Shapen for throwing it directly to the DE. Even if the receiver runs the correct route, the ball is still picked.

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Thee corner squatted which is why the WR kept going which is what the WR & QB are taught. STILL ON SHAPEN.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Thee corner squatted which is why the WR kept going which is what the WR & QB are taught. STILL ON SHAPEN.

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Without a doubt still on Shapen. Which is why I said, "still does not excuse Shapen for throwing it directly to the DE."

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

That was where I was drawing my conclusions. I had reported all of that stuff about 5 hours after the Egg Bowl and had been talking to my TCU buddies in Dallas and the conclusion all of us came to was that from what they were hearing and reading between the lines, Kendall was going to be at State. One of them text me last night and said:

"Kendall just hitched his wagon to Shane 17 Beamer?!?!? At least Lebby is his brother in law and that one makes a little bit of sense."

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He is probably thinking if he can ball out and let Beamer do Beamer he will be fired and then Kendall gets the USCE HC.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

He is probably thinking if he can ball out and let Beamer do Beamer he will be fired and then Kendall gets the USCE HC.

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I guess. He also is probably thinking if he can make Lanorris Sellers look good then he can parlay that into an HC job.