Realistic Candidates for HC

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I wasn't going to go in on ole Joe again and beat that dead horse even more.

Cannizarro was also a prick as well but in like a my way is better and I'm going to show you instead of just tell you.

Mullen was a prick because he would tell you he was better than you and then showed it. I mean this is the same guy that held an all hands athletic dept staff meeting on the day he was hired and called everyone losers. Paraphrasing a bit but his quote went something like, "I'm a 17 winner and you are 17 losers. I don't accept losers so if you're a loser then you can get the 17 out of here"

Cohen was a prick in the same way that Mullen was except Mullen actually liked his inner circle and wanted to be liked by the fans. Cohen hated everyone. I will say that part of that stemmed from the Polk/Raffo/Cohen thing and he was insulted that some of our fans considered him on the same level as Raffo.

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Funny thing, I hate assholes. I can't stand people like that, but I really liked all of those coaches. They all had something in common that I liked. Can't quite put my finger on it...........***

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Yeah Coggin being a prick isn't the turn off some people think it should be.

I prefer my coaches to be pricks.

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We need an asshole. And we need players that are assholes too.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I wasn't going to go in on ole Joe again and beat that dead horse even more.

Cannizarro was also a prick as well but in like a my way is better and I'm going to show you instead of just tell you.

Mullen was a prick because he would tell you he was better than you and then showed it. I mean this is the same guy that held an all hands athletic dept staff meeting on the day he was hired and called everyone losers. Paraphrasing a bit but his quote went something like, "I'm a 17 winner and you are 17 losers. I don't accept losers so if you're a loser then you can get the 17 out of here"

Cohen was a prick in the same way that Mullen was except Mullen actually liked his inner circle and wanted to be liked by the fans. Cohen hated everyone. I will say that part of that stemmed from the Polk/Raffo/Cohen thing and he was insulted that some of our fans considered him on the same level as Raffo.

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All this is funny since the one guy people think wasn't a prick, won a damn natty lol

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

All this is funny since the one guy people think wasn't a prick, won a damn natty lol

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Haha!!

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Haha!!

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several of us in this forum could have won big with the team especially from 19-21. I do lean toward needing a HC as well as players who show and edge about them when they step across the chalk.

O?Connor has been the name that is floating around with a person of interest. What does that exactly does that mean? Is it mutual?

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Originally Posted by Pancho

several of us in this forum could have won big with the team especially from 19-21. I do lean toward needing a HC as well as players who show and edge about them when they step across the chalk.

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

O?Connor has been the name that is floating around with a person of interest. What does that exactly does that mean? Is it mutual?

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There are rumblings he has been unhappy for a while and his buyout is only 500K. There is mutual interest with anyone willing to listen at this point. And that is A LOT of coaches, through their agents. Some very high profile names

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

All this is funny since the one guy people think wasn't a prick, won a damn natty lol

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Lemonis had some fire. He may not have shown it like Polk and Cohen but he had plenty of fire. He lit into our team in private on dozens of occasions. He lit them up 6 ways from Sunday after game 1 of the CWS Finals and then went to the podium and preached how hard they fought and did not quit when we were down big.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

O?Connor has been the name that is floating around with a person of interest. What does that exactly does that mean? Is it mutual?

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We’ll see. He loves his job EXCEPT they aren’t giving him what he wants for NIL. It likely comes down to what Va is willing to do money-wise for the program vs how much does he like where he is. Plus- will Momma move to small town Mississippi. There’s a difference in Momma willing to move to College Station vs StarkVegas

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

There are rumblings he has been unhappy for a while and his buyout is only 500K. There is mutual interest with anyone willing to listen at this point. And that is A LOT of coaches, through their agents. Some very high profile names

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Don’t sleep on O’Sullivan either.

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Originally Posted by Rawdawg

Don’t sleep on O’Sullivan either.

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He will use us. There’s no way in hell he leaves that job unless he has to. Getting him would be like Kirby Smart leaving to go UPIg

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Originally Posted by Rawdawg

Don’t sleep on O’Sullivan either.

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For those wanting a prick for a coach, he is your man! I remember a couple of instances just against us. First, I remember CT Bradford, who is from Florida, getting plunked 3 or 4 times in game one of a Florida series here. Cohen was coming un-glued! I seriously thought he was about to grab a bat and charge Florida's dugout. Second, I remember O'Sullivan, not his players, running to the front of our dugout doing the gator chomp after they beat us in a regional or super regional.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He will use us. There’s no way in hell he leaves that job unless he has to. Getting him would be like Kirby Smart leaving to go UPIg

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I can't see Keenum allowing that one anyway

Cannizzaro didn't fail because he was an assistant with no head coaching experience. He also didn't resort to what he was doing because the pressure of the job got to him. If anything, Cannizzaro shows that an assistant coach can be successful here, because the one season he was the head coach may have been the best coached season we have seen in a long time. He took a team that had 5 healthy pitchers to a Super Regional.

I'm trying to think of the last SEC head coach who was a first-time head coach who was promoted from being a SEC assistant coach who truly failed based on results, and I'm having a hard time finding one. Maybe Dave Perno is the last one.

I've seen a lot of "established head coaches" fail though. Mark Kingston. John Pawlawski. Sunny Galloway. Scott Stricklin. Dave Serrano. Todd Raleigh. Andy Lopez.

So I was joking about the Showalter stuff BUT?

State has some MAJOR baseball minds that have played or are playing in the bigs. I think Selmon setting up a panel/interview board with some of these guys (think Polk, Palmero, Clark, Powell, Rooker, Mangum, Renfroe, etc) to help with this search would be pretty cool.

I know it won?t happen but I feel those guys know Starkville, Mississippi State, SEC baseball, and what/who we need here better than anyone.

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Originally Posted by Rawdawg

Don’t sleep on O’Sullivan either.

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Pretty much a prick and a Top level Coach. Yeah, Kendall Rogers is a useful idiot to coach agents.

But my #1 candidate coach would be O'Conner.

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Originally Posted by Medic601

So I was joking about the Showalter stuff BUT?

State has some MAJOR baseball minds that have played or are playing in the bigs. I think Selmon setting up a panel/interview board with some of these guys (think Polk, Palmero, Clark, Powell, Rooker, Mangum, Renfroe, etc) to help with this search would be pretty cool.

I know it won?t happen but I feel those guys know Starkville, Mississippi State, SEC baseball, and what/who we need here better than anyone.

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Polk is going make sure Tommy Raffo gets interviewed, he was a camper afterall ***

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

For those wanting a prick for a coach, he is your man! I remember a couple of instances just against us. First, I remember CT Bradford, who is from Florida, getting plunked 3 or 4 times in game one of a Florida series here. Cohen was coming un-glued! I seriously thought he was about to grab a bat and charge Florida's dugout. Second, I remember O'Sullivan, not his players, running to the front of our dugout doing the gator chomp after they beat us in a regional or super regional.

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His picture is is the dictionary under the word Douche.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

He pissed off people with money and is an asshat. Plus, no HC experience and that's a priority. He's the last resort. If it all goes bad, he's still out there.
My question would be: Why do people claim we're elite then say a guy with no HC experience is the answer? Is it because of Lemonhead? Vitello?
He's not a better hire than a lot of the guys we're on is all. I've heard our fans, me included, ask why we have to be the training grounds for every new HC. How about we not do it?

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Valid questions, for sure.

I'm not in the camp of demanding a HC with experience, mainly becuse it's just unlikely to pull a top, proven guy. Cohen got our hopes up before, and we ended up with a guy nobody had heard of. Plus, it doesn't make sense to put that kind of money into an elite HC. Something else in the program would have to suffer to pay for it, whether it be assistants, support staff, or NIL.

There are risks no matter which way you go. If you get a HC from a smaller program, he's going to have to learn on the job how to deal with the grind of the SEC and the weight of the program. If you pull an SEC assistant, he will have to learn on job how to deal with the weight of the program and all the CEO stuff. An assistant with experience at 3 SEC programs, including State will have to learn on the job how to deal with CEO stuff, but how much is that going to impact attracting talent and building a roster?

Mingione and Johnson have experience with being a HC, the State program, and the SEC. One is a clown, and the other detroyed our pitching staff for a couple years. We shouldn't even consider them.