Pitching vs #24 Troy

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Starting to think we just need to give Parker the reigns

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Parker is impressive when you talk to him. But he isn't ready at this point to coach a program like Mississippi State. Would be huge risk. And if offense is the problem- we have no idea who he would hire as a hitting coach.

My opinion of Gautreau is he is average. I wouldn't say he's bad. But he isn't as impressive as Parker is. The best case scenario would be for Gautreau to move on and bring in the hitting coach version of Parker.

Parker is a college guy. In that I mean he has the talent to coach in pro baseball but he likes college baseball more where he has more control of things. Gautreau to me seems like he treats our hitters like pros. It's like he is OK with letting guys fail and if the hurts the team in the short term so be it. To be honest with you Justin Haire is the most impressive hitting coach I have seen recently IMO. He's the head coach at Ohio State and he's never coming here as the hitting coach unless we give him some head coach in waiting deal or something like we did with Pat McMahon in the 1990's.

The biggest thing that concerns me with Gautreau is we brought in a bunch of guys who have a history of contact and our strikeouts have been about the same as last season so far.

Edit to say another solution would have been to bring in a hitting analyst to assist with hitting that is a hitting guru. Would free up Gautreau to recruit.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Not crazy about that either, and Black gifted Troy 2 runs with his wildness, but pitching is not the problem. 5 runs against Sun Belt pitching in 18 innings is the problem. So far, we face any decent pitching and we struggle to score including the Missouri State Friday pitcher. We did have 13 hits tonight but we couldn't even put the ball in play when we needed to late in the game. 5 runners on base with less than 2 outs in the 8th and 9th and we couldn't get anyone home.

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I agree. I just didn't see anyone talking about the pitching issues though. And that deserves to be brought up.

Monkeying around with pitchers has cost us a lot of midweek games last year and this year so far waiting on guys like Colby Holcombe to click. And I'll be honest- I thought Schnoor was a candidate to be redshirted.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Don't disagree but I care more how we look in late March/April than in Feb. I know a team who lost to Friday Tulane and Saturday Kent State who agrees with me. (2021 State) Or goose egged against USM and squeaked by Pine Bluff 3-2 (2019 State). 2018 is a bit of an anomaly but we did lose to TAMU CC and Mcneese State on top of the USM sweep loss.


And for good measure how about the team that lost 2 of 3 to Central Arkansas (2013 State)

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You've gone back and cherry-picked data points from the past for a comparison but the problem is, last night wasn't just a data point. It was the continuation of a trend that started in 2022.

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

You've gone back and cherry-picked data points from the past for a comparison but the problem is, last night wasn't just a data point. It was the continuation of a trend that started in 2022.

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I cherry picked data? I literally just listed all 4 of our most recent CWS runs. I cherry picked the data to show our BEST seasons and compare to what we did then to make the point that we're hardly ever perfect in Feb/March and our output so far doesn't correlate with Omaha...

Seriously do you understand how dumb your comment is. I made the data comparison HARDER for my argument and it pretty obviously agreed with me. We all know in our bad years we struggle in cold Feb/early March. The data I "cherry-picked" shows in good years we still struggle in cold Feb/March. Sooooooooooooooo Feb/March aren't much of an indicator.

To me- we look better than we did last year. We got 13 ****ing hits last night. The problem we are having is figuring out who should be where. It's time for Hines to see some pine. He had a down season last year and this season is starting the same way. Nothing has changed with his approach at the plate. Until something changes I want to see someone else there and Palmeiro can stay HR champ in Sville.

I'm not going to worry about 2 losses to good teams in Feb. Need a good showing this weekend as we get closer to SEC play

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Originally Posted by Coach34

To me- we look better than we did last year. We got 13 ****ing hits last night. The problem we are having is figuring out who should be where. It's time for Hines to see some pine. He had a down season last year and this season is starting the same way. Nothing has changed with his approach at the plate. Until something changes I want to see someone else there and Palmeiro can stay HR champ in Sville.

I'm not going to worry about 2 losses to good teams in Feb. Need a good showing this weekend as we get closer to SEC play

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And what u say about sitting players or player is correct. It's crazy with a different lineup everyday. Play the best players Lemonis.

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Originally Posted by basedog

And what u say about sitting players or player is correct. It's crazy with a different lineup everyday. Play the best players Lemonis.

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How do you know who the best players are out of 15 if you only start the same 9 every day.

I'm gonna point to Jimmie Johnson's run of 5 Nascar Champs in a row under the old chase format. Chad Knaus tinkered and experimented during the summer whenever they got into locked position for the playoffs. That tinkering allowed them to dominate the last 10 tracks by finding the best edges using opportunities we otherwise wouldn't have had.

Against shitty teams is the time to tinker because you have more margin for error. Unfortunately we also played two pretty solid teams and took a couple of Ls. Oh well. 2021 lost 18 games.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We got 13 ****ing hits last night.

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Saturday: 11 Hits (5 XB) 9 Runs & 11 LOB
Sunday: 12 Hits (5 XB), 6 Runs, 10 LOB
Tuesday: 13 Hits (4 XB), 5 Runs, 14 LOB

Saturday was fine. Sunday was an anomaly (I've dont think I've ever seen a team hit 4 HRs and only score 6 runs). Yesterday it was about lack of situational hitting with runners on base. We are failing to put the ball in play far too frequently with runners in scoring position. Troy lost to Auburn last week because they gave up 4 unearned runs via errors on the infield. They had to move their SS to 3B to help correct the issue. I'm not sure we hit a ball to 3B all night. 12 strikeouts vs mid-week pitching is ridiculous!

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Originally Posted by MStateDawg

Yesterday it was about lack of situational hitting with runners on base. We are failing to put the ball in play far too frequently with runners in scoring position.

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Which is a carry over issue from last year if I recall correctly. Didn?t have the bullpen to consistently hold a lead and the offense couldn?t mount a comeback or put the game out of reach when they had the chance.

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Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford

Which is a carry over issue from last year if I recall correctly. Didn?t have the bullpen to consistently hold a lead and the offense couldn?t mount a comeback or put the game out of reach when they had the chance.

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IIRC last year we put Nolan Stevens in a ton of bad situations and he almost never came through on the mound.

But even more of a problem was guys not putting the ball in play in clutch situations. Was a major issue especially with Dakota, Hines, and even Hujsack.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Parker is impressive when you talk to him. But he isn't ready at this point to coach a program like Mississippi State. Would be huge risk. And if offense is the problem- we have no idea who he would hire as a hitting coach.

My opinion of Gautreau is he is average. I wouldn't say he's bad. But he isn't as impressive as Parker is. The best case scenario would be for Gautreau to move on and bring in the hitting coach version of Parker.

Parker is a college guy. In that I mean he has the talent to coach in pro baseball but he likes college baseball more where he has more control of things. Gautreau to me seems like he treats our hitters like pros. It's like he is OK with letting guys fail and if the hurts the team in the short term so be it. To be honest with you Justin Haire is the most impressive hitting coach I have seen recently IMO. He's the head coach at Ohio State and he's never coming here as the hitting coach unless we give him some head coach in waiting deal or something like we did with Pat McMahon in the 1990's.

The biggest thing that concerns me with Gautreau is we brought in a bunch of guys who have a history of contact and our strikeouts have been about the same as last season so far.

Edit to say another solution would have been to bring in a hitting analyst to assist with hitting that is a hitting guru. Would free up Gautreau to recruit.

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What does Lemonis do these days?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

What does Lemonis do these days?

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Meets with media
Meets with school officials
Meets with coaches about each player and their plans for each player.
Plans practice each day
Plans Gameday schedule
Relays travel schedule to team verbally and document-wise
Talks with players individually
Gives hitting advice
Heads up Team Accountability
Gives fielding advice
Yells when needed at something breaking down
Locates bucket

I'm sure there is a bunch more- but thats the nuts and bolts of things

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

IIRC last year we put Nolan Stevens in a ton of bad situations and he almost never came through on the mound.

But even more of a problem was guys not putting the ball in play in clutch situations. Was a major issue especially with Dakota, Hines, and even Hujsack.

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Look we shouldn't have been in the situation we were in last night no doubt, we left 14 on base and Hines left 9 by himself. Saying that, if that game is played in April, Chance ties it up with a HR in the 9th and Cupp walks it off. Just needed to be a little warmer for those two to carry.

It sucks losing, but let's figure out these issues in February and get them corrected instead of having them pop up in April because we were playing Northsoutheastwestern Technical School of The Mines in February.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree. I just didn't see anyone talking about the pitching issues though. And that deserves to be brought up.

Monkeying around with pitchers has cost us a lot of midweek games last year and this year so far waiting on guys like Colby Holcombe to click. And I'll be honest- I thought Schnoor was a candidate to be redshirted.

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Pitching is deep but the better talent is young and guys just finding. We failed to sign great pitching for a couple years and so this is what we get. He's got no choice but to get guys work to get experience.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Just needed to be a little warmer for those two to carry.

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I know the ball carries differently, but this just isn't an excuse.

Shane dude on their team hit one well over 400' off the damn ground yesterday. One of the other solo shots wasn't cheap at all either.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

I know the ball carries differently, but this just isn't an excuse.

Shane dude on their team hit one well over 400' off the damn ground yesterday. One of the other solo shots wasn't cheap at all either.

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Didn't say anything about theirs. And I'm not even using it as an excuse. Hell Hines left 9 on base by himself. Just was making a point that those balls probably carry out and despite all the stuff we did wrong, we probably still win.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

I know the ball carries differently, but this just isn't an excuse.

Shane dude on their team hit one well over 400' off the damn ground yesterday. One of the other solo shots wasn't cheap at all either.

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Theirs were pulled while ours in the 9th were oppo- makes a difference. We had another long drive to CF.

We had chances to win and just didnt come thru. Hats off to Troy. But this wasnt like losing to App State or Air Force. Not even Cal Poly Slo or Texas State

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Look we shouldn't have been in the situation we were in last night no doubt, we left 14 on base and Hines left 9 by himself. Saying that, if that game is played in April, Chance ties it up with a HR in the 9th and Cupp walks it off. Just needed to be a little warmer for those two to carry.

It sucks losing, but let's figure out these issues in February and get them corrected instead of having them pop up in April because we were playing Northsoutheastwestern Technical School of The Mines in February.

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Really not trying to be rude or obnoxious Steve but Troy's three homers didn't need the April air.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Really not trying to be rude or obnoxious Steve but Troy's three homers didn't need the April air.

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Exactly. The temps didn't keep us from scoring runs. It certainly didn't hurt their 3 solo HR's.

Was it not in the 60s yesterday at game time? That's farcry of mid 30s.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Really not trying to be rude or obnoxious Steve but Troy's three homers didn't need the April air.

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You're right. They didn't. And as I've now said 3 times, I wasn't trying to compare HRs. They crushed theirs. What I was saying was, despite the fact that we left the town of Crawford on base(and Hines left the town of Stewart by himself) we were warmer air away from all of it being a moot point and winning.

Just trying to inject a little bit of balance instead of just consistent negativity win or loss.