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We need to just open things up and let this country operate with the freedoms it was built on. Let people make their own choices what risks to take and let businesses decide the same. Let the free markets operate and adjust and sustain. Same with schools. Let athletes play if they want or let them sit out. Let teachers out of their contracts if they don't want to work. Some will open on site and some online. But life will go on, economies will survive to some degree, and we will have some immunity going into winter. I say this with a 3 week old baby and a wife that spent 4 weeks isolated in a hospital room with this crap. All her doctors agree (large hospital). They laugh at mask requirements.
I don't laugh at the mask requirement. You know why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Because since I've discovered the neck gaiter I've never found a good reason to actually wear one in my line of work. Now...I'm mandated to wear a mask and for some inexplicable reason this allows neck gaiters. I can go from mysterious looking ascot wearing guy to ninja mode in 1.03 seconds.
You need to take that up a notch. See if you can figure out how to parlay that into wearing a ghillie suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Dammit...you're a genius!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Are you a pro bass fisherman***Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
LOL! You guys are encourageable, I guess that is why I like this site so much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
That is one of the first things I thought of because of have several I use for fishing. However, that material like Buff Headwear is made of is not very effective for reducing spread from your nose or mouth. It is very breathable, as it was intended. But, nobody is going to ever say anything about that if you have one on because it is not very well known.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Almost 40% of fla cases are coming out of Miami now (Miami dade and broward counties) and 36% of fla cases have come out of those two counties.
If those counties were a state, they would have more cases than 42 of the 50 states. But the death rate is extremely low. 129k cases confirmed (prob well over a million using the 10x factor of the cdc) and only 1800 deaths.
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ICU utilization rising sharply
The people with hidden immunity against Covid-19
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...-from-covid-19
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Originally Posted by Dawgology
Wish we could get some vcash wagers going on the conflicting data.... does one person count one time or multiple times???Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Very interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Concerns arise as some receive positive COVID-19 results but never got tested
https://www.wlbt.com/2020/07/20/conc...er-got-tested/
Context matters. From the article you linked:Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
"“This is part of the testing mechanism problem. People are sitting in their cars, sometimes for hours, or standing in line, six feet apart sometimes for hours. You’re registered though, you’re number 15 in line, and you are Jay Wolfson. If Jay Wolfson says he can’t wait any longer and he leaves, it will get number 15 and now get Rebecca Fernandez, who was standing behind him, and she tests positive, and then everyone from then on gets the wrong results. There has to be a better way to do this,” explained Dr. Jay Wolfson, Public Health & Medicine Professor for the University of South Florida."
I guess you and Dawgology can keep trolling this thread with every article and opinion you can find, but at least provide some context to your article. The story was about how people are getting positive results without taking the test, because results are provided based on the number assigned and if you leave before getting tested - you're getting the results of the person originally behind you.
I still don't believe that all results are accurate anyway, so I guess we should just stop testing like our POTUS would prefer.
Ask any nurse that treats Covid patients and they’ll tell you that masks absolutely work to help stop the spread. The company I work for has hired 2 top infectious disease experts and they say masks are as important hand washing. There are several examples that show strong evidence that masks work. I work for one of the largest companies in the world. They have spared no expense trying to keep this virus from costing them too much loss. Masks are required 100% of the time pretty much while we’re doing anything other than eating, and they’ve made it to where we are properly distanced at meal times. So far we’ve done fantastic at keeping people healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Look, I’m a hardcore conservative, but I’m married to a nurse of over 20 years and I know that masks work. People need to stop being scared of masks and protect your fellow man.
I posted the title of the article and the link you dopeQuote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Yeah. The article was pretty clear to me. This is the shit that makes people skeptical about the whole virus. It’s either political or incompetent testers.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Please explain how I’m trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Thanks for clarifying that the article doesn't reflect the title. It was very informative.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I just added you because I'm upset your neck gaiter time is above 1 second. It's an insult to ninjas everywhere to have a time like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Lighten up francis.. it's you who screwed up... noone knew that was the title to the clickbait article.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
the article as gutter posted fully explains what happen.. and it needs to be fixed. it was the same amount of people testing positives . just the wrong people notified... that's getting twisted into don't trust any response!!! the numbers are fake.
Which is not true..
I didn't screw up anything. There were posters here who said that people were being told they were positive that never got tested. There were other posters who mocked that and said that was nonsense. I never engaged in that argument either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
Now about the article, how stupid are the test givers that ram a q-tip down someone's throat without even saying, "hey are you John q?"
I'm sure a number of y'all will blast this -Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
But what articles like that show is the ill effects of long term funding and leadership issues within government agencies. Instead of being able to quickly adjust and manage data, Florida is having to rely on hand tallys? That's insane.
Georgia certainly hasn't kept up public health funding, but even we aren't doing hand tallys in the line.
My wife and son were tested the last week in June, when the wave started hitting here. They had drive thru testing at the Health Dept. After about 90 minutes waiting, they got about 10 cars back. Each of them was given a form with a QR code, and a matching QR code sticker. When the sample was taken, the QR code sticker was put on the sample, and the form was taken. So, if they had left the line, no one else's info would be used. Last week, my son was tested again (insurance requirements by his summer job), and the Health Department now has you register on-line for an assigned time, sends you the QR code via e-mail, your print it, when you show up they scan it, and then print a label for the test sample. Yeah, there is room for error - but nothing like what that article describes.
So back to the first point - when you starve government agencies so that basics like data management are not modernized, and you install political leadership in those agencies - you get Florida. Or, New Jersey, who's Unemployment data management is so old they had no one who knew COBOL on staff to be able re-program changes. And no, I'm not calling for outrageous liberal tax and spend policies to cure our ills. But, if you spend 40 years preaching against government spending, while putting pet projects and wars on credit cards and not maintaining basic services, you guarantee certain results - and a lot of what we are seeing going right now is a reflection of that.
Valid point. I'll start training and conditioning. There are no excuses!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Amen and preach!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
The funny part of this testing mishap is we actually have people that think we should be contact tracing. We can't even keep up with who we tested to start with.
It's no coincidence that it's universities that have been able to do the most data mining and contact tracing in the US - they are the one area given funding and tools to be able to quickly adapt to these events. Or create risk assessment tools like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/
Great pointQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We should be. I think it's dumb to dismiss a powerful tool at our disposal just because some mistakes have been made. I'm pretty sure the mistake in the article you linked (and similar mistakes) represents a fraction of a percent of overall tests, which means we could contact trace 99.9% or more cases correctly. There's always going to be errors when the scale of an operation is as large as this one, but it's not statistically relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
7 day moving average of daily cases in fla, Tex, and AZ are all flat or moving slightly down now.
Great sign! Hope that continues over the next 7 days.
Is the government starved for funding or wasting it on bloated bureaucracies and pet projects. I bet if you looked closely it would be the latter but let’s keep throwing money at government entities that have been proven to be inefficient and incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
What good does that do you when the information is wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
1,635 new cases and 30 deaths in Mississippi.
#fakenews. I fear that we are slowly approaching a major crises that will inevitably result in Mississippi having to shut down.
31. But 5 are from weeks ago. So 26 today. Which puts our seven day average at 15.5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond
Of the 31 deaths, 1 in thirties, 1 in forties, 4 in fifties, 4 in sixties. 21 of 31 over seventy.
Hospital numbers keep climbing.
Basics like data management not being modernized is not a reflection of government agencies being starved. If funding were the problem, you wouldn't have basics neglected. You'd have stuff around the edges. And the fact that one of your examples is New Jersey further puts lie to the idea that it's a funding issue. New Jersey collects plenty of money. They just chose to spend it elsewhere, and compounded that problem by promising a bunch of employees that future tax payers would pay an ever growing amount of money to them after they retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
It's usually some combination of poor prioritization, politicization of spending decisions, and mission creep. The CDC completely 17ed us with their screwed up testing, and maybe that was just a fluke, or maybe they should have spent more time focusing on the actual mission in their title.
How many of these government agencies that are starved for funds and are failing at what is supposed to be their core jobs have had training in the past twelve months on diversity in the work place? Or even trans issues? Unlike the federal government, there are state agencies that can credibly claim that they are hurt by a lack of funding, and some of those probably exist in states that have a low tax burden despite having an affluent enough population that it should be higher.
Yes. It's not that government needs more funding it's that it needs to redirect funding. The problem with government (at least in MS) is that it is all reactive and never proactive. Even if something is broken or outdated they won't fix it until it becomes a disaster or leads to a disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko
Let's say 1 out of 1000 cases there's an issue with the data. 999 cases are able to be contact traced just fine. 1 you went on a wild goose chase.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
I'm clearly not as smart as you, but how can you say one case is messed up? If the article is legit and the positives are right, meaning the wrong person just got the positive, then the ENTIRE line following them would be wrong!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Example number 15 left the line never got tested. He gets a positive when it was actually number 16. So, wouldn't that have an trickle down on the end it's line or did they just get smart and fix it on number 17? Every screw up causes a mess. I'll hang up and listen to how you can trace w that mess!!!
And to add to the previous point it most certainly would change the number of positives. So 15 is a positive and 16 isn't. Well when 16 goes back in a week he is. So that's 2 for what was really one. And if the line is jacked up that bad from 15 on it could make a huge difference over time. It's not complicated to see