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All facts. People on this board get mad when things like this are said then label you a Jans hater but nothing you said is false. That being said I think we got some solid pickups and Jans isn't done but you are correct we need some big time players if we plan on competing in the SEC because we all see how good it has gotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We are competing in the SEC. What we are not doing is winning the SEC. We don’t have the money to do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
The bottom line is we CAN be middle of the pack in the SEC but middle of the pack (right now) means you're good enough to make a Sweet 16 run. I think we would all be very happy with that result right now.
As I've said before, if we can get back to 6-8 wins a year in football, go to bowls, and be a consistent NCAA team with occasional sweet 16 runs, we're in good shape. That's a SOLID athletic program in today's landscape and we are 100% capable of both those things with the right leadership. I have ZERO doubt about that.
Yep, I'm not saying we suck or anything, just we need to start showing some progression with the program at year 4. Id say the same about any sport. And honestly, it should happen faster in basketball than any sport if we're all honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Now that I can get behind. And Jans can too. He was not happy with how the season ended. The source on that is Christopher Paul Jans. Said the Bama game just killed us from a momentum standpoint. Said he thought we had it back after OM and A&M but then OU happened. Said the two losses at the end of the year to Texas and Arkansas were two of the toughest losses of his career. Said our kids fought their asses off and deserved to win both, but that's not how this sport is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I know it's not the best measure in this era of college basketball, but his hs classes have gotten better every year. You gotta think that will start showing on the court over the next couple of years, and in this version of the SEC, even a 1-2 win improvement every year is huge!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
This current class we are bringing in is far and away the best. There's multiple guys who can actually contribute. This is the best class we've had ratings wise since the Peters, Wright, Kegler, Carter, Ado, Herard class. I think it has the ability to be the best class we've had contribution wise since the Perry, Woodard, Stewart class in 18.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
Of course we competed, you know exactly what point I was trying to make. We finished 8-10 for 10th place in the SEC. Yes I understand how loaded it is but its not going to get any easier anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
No but my point was middle of the pack of the SEC is what we are going to be. We cant afford to be Top 3 in the SEC. Auburn just bought our 2nd best player and potential All-SEC guy away from us for a million more than we could afford. That is life in the SEC in all sports for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
I'll push back on that one. Oscar and Richard will fund whatever we need. We weren't paying Murphy 2.5 million because he's not worth anything near that. We could've if we wanted to though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They are doing a helluva job but we dont have Kentucky, Tenn, or UPig basketball money. Cal is making a big move in the portal this year after getting a late start last year.
And say what you want- Murphy will be one among league's best next year. He made great strides this year. He just needs to get a better 3 ball and then he will really tough to guard
1-2 wins don't matter unless they're in the big dance. His teams collapse every season and do just enough. Again, not saying I want to fire Jans or the program is terrible, but just looking for advancement. OM has no problem with it. We only had two good players back and one (Murphy) transferred to Auburn. We've signed a couple bigs and a guard. Let's see where it all goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
Are we thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Murphy might end of being player of the year and I?ll be wrong. I also would encourage anyone to take an extra million of you get the chance. Cant pass that up.
However I would not pay him $2.5m. I dont see him as a difference maker like that.
As we?ve said in here before and Bo Boinds reiterated in a recent show - the most important part of coaching now FOR State - is talent evaluation.
Find underrated players and make them great.
That?s Mullen.
Is it Jans? Don?t know yet.
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Originally Posted by cheewgumm
You're thinking like it's 2019. You can't think that way anymore. Because the minute we make them great, they'll get into the portal and we'll have to replace them Do we have to get lucky with players like that and hope we get the best out of them? Yes. But we also have to win some battles like we did with Quincy Ballard. We need to win a couple of more battles this portal cycle as well.
Good point.. agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
But we have to be selective in who to pay what.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You don?t just pay people because they ask for money. I know that?s not what you?re saying but I think you have to decide by player.
For instance if we can pay the center we got
Or Murphy, I would pay the new center if he is a shot blocker and good defensively down low.
We have to make those type decisions, right?
Seems the alternative is if someone asked for money, you pay them or you?re losing.
I disagree with that. I would try to pay what I seen them worth.
Also on talent evaluation, it seems it?s more important now than 2019z
This seems like a cutting edge thought to me now.
We got a lot of player on basketball last year.
Did we evaluate them well?
Which is what we did with Murphy. We offered him 1.5. Could we have offered 2.5? Yes. But we didn't see him as a 2.5 million type player.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
I personally think we evaluated them perfectly. We knew exactly what they were going to give us.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
I feel good about it then .Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
People can disagree for sure
Yea and I liked them beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The season and don?t think they weee terrible.
Just think evaluating talent is the biggest advantage now if you can do it. I advocated for Mullen to be our coach before we hired Lebby ( though he may be great at it too, we will see) so not jumping on the Bo Bounds wagon, but listened to his podcast yesterday and they talked about it so reminded me.
Kugel-We knew he was a headcase who could give us 2 or 12. That's exactly what he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Harris-We knew he was an average 3 pt shooter who could give us 15-20 minutes a night and maybe he would heat up. That's exactly what he was.
Melendez-We knew he was a streaky 3 pt shooter but a good defender. That's exactly what he was.
Clary-We knew he had issues and we'd have to corral those for him to contribute. When we had him corralled, he contributed.
What about Achor achor? Why did he only play 7 games this season? Assuming it wasn't disciplinary, I want em
But its also about what's in your bank account. We didnt pay Murphy 2.5 because we really couldnt afford to do that and get other players that we need. Auburn has a bigger bank account and they afford to pay the 2.5 and still get top notch players.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Thats the difference.
Find me a player who goes up 20%+ on 3 point % in a year that isn't one of the best. ****in giant leap we're talking about here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And do you honestly think Murphy would make that leap for us? lol. I wanted Murphy back but if it was Murphy or 2-3 rotation pieces, I'm taking the latter.
Bruce Pearl has whatever he wants in the bank account. Reports are he offered Flagg from Duke 5 million dollars to transfer to Auburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm not disagreeing with you that for us- it was better to let him go and use the money we have for a couple of other pieces. But what would have been better than that is to have kept him and added 2-3 more pieces. But with our pocketbook- we were unable to do that. Make no mistake- we didnt want him to leaveQuote:
Originally Posted by Tater
This sounds very accurate. Murphy showed tremendous improvement, but we can?t spend that kind of money on 1 player if we want to field a full competitive team. Especially since I?m sure we are paying Hubbard basically what he wantsQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Achor commits
Like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
If we don?t make it we should offer Sully.
He?s probably ready to go somewhere else.
Murphy is a better player than both Walters and Achor.
But both of them combined are better fits of what we're wanting to do at the 4 position. You've got two guys who can space the floor and provide a 3 pt shooting threat. Murph couldn't do that. He and Ballard would've clogged the inside.
Another solid pickup.. all of these guys Jans has gotten are solid but we still need scorers and a true PGQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
PG: ???/McGhee/Warren
SG: Hubb/Ali/Grace
SF: ???/Jones/Paul
PF: Achor/Walters/JDF
C: Ballard/Chol/Bartlett
Need a ball controlling guard with some size to offset Hubb at the 2 and then a wing who can score and defend.
Do those two things and I'll really like what we've got. Good combination of size/length and shooting.
Well, we certainly won't get anyone out of the portal as good as Murphy. But I agree it was going to take more than Hubbard, Murphy and a bunch of role players to win next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
He's the leader in the clubhouse to be the player most likely to sit out this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
It wouldn't surprise me. To be honest from what I've seen all of these pickups are solid but I'm waiting on that splash player. But Jans does like defensive tough minded players who will get after it and that's what these guys will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Why would he sit out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
He's just saying Jans has had guys in back to back portal classes sit out/quit. The white kid from Marshall 2 years ago and Clary last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7