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11-15-2013, 04:54 PM
FlabLoser

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Originally Posted by Coach34

That is too much for our program. We are not going to average 8 wins under any coach. Especially when we are playing 5 Top 15 teams per season. For all the dick sucking Freezus gets, he has a legit chance to finish 3-5 in the SEC this year and 7-5 overall

Can we win 8-9 games at times? Absolutely. But to average 8 wins over 4-5 year period? No ****ing way. Not at Miss State

I have higher expectations than you. Six wins ought to be our floor. 7-8-9 wins most years. 10 or 11 on a good year when things line up just right.
11-15-2013, 05:16 PM
CadaverDawg

My biggest complaint is everybody comparing us to our history. THIS IS NOT YOUR DADDY'S SEC anymore. Quit comparing us to what we have done in the past. We are doing an 80 million dollar renovation and the conference is the most powerful in the country. It's time for us to grow the **** up and start expecting more.

Stop being scared and pointing back to shit from the past. We are paying coaches nearly 3 million per year to coach our football team. We can recruit in the top 25 yearly, we can pay our coach a top 25 salary, and we are in the top conference...we should be somewhere around the top 25 to top 40 every year going forward if we are achieving simply what we are capable of achieving. Over achieve here and there, and we could finish in the top 15-20 on occasion.

Doesn't mean slipping up and going 6-6 can't happen....but we shouldn't be giving ****ing contract extensions for a 5-7 or 6-6 record anymore. That shit is pathetic.
11-15-2013, 05:18 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

That is too much for our program. We are not going to average 8 wins under any coach. Especially when we are playing 5 Top 15 teams per season. For all the dick sucking Freezus gets, he has a legit chance to finish 3-5 in the SEC this year and 7-5 overall

Can we win 8-9 games at times? Absolutely. But to average 8 wins over 4-5 year period? No ****ing way. Not at Miss State

I don't get that caught up in w/l records. You have to judge that on a season by season basis. I enjoyed Mullen's first year when we finished 5-7 a hell of lot more than our puffed up 8-5 season last year.
11-15-2013, 05:19 PM
Goat Holder

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

I thought one of the most interesting comments in this thread was that Croom had 10 SEC wins in 5 years, Mullen has 14 (with 3 more games this year).

Croom's 10 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 57-66 record (.463)

Mullen's 14 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 65-105 record (.382): includes UK's 2-7 record so far this year.

Misleading stats. First thing that jumps out at me is that Mullen has won 40% more SEC games than Croom over 5 years. That stat looks real nice for Mullen, eh? Not mention beating the CUSA/Sun Belt types that Croom (and Jackie) never could. Way to trivialize that. What a joke.

And how you going to compare 14 teams' records to 10 teams' records? That's one sample size of 123 games and another of 170 games.

Nice whiff, Babe Ruth. Or should I say Brad Corley. Better yet Daryl Norris.
11-15-2013, 05:22 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

My biggest complaint is everybody comparing us to our history. THIS IS NOT YOUR DADDY'S SEC anymore. Quit comparing us to what we have done in the past. We are doing an 80 million dollar renovation and the conference is the most powerful in the country. It's time for us to grow the **** up and start expecting more.

Stop being scared and pointing back to shit from the past. We are paying coaches nearly 3 million per year to coach our football team. We can recruit in the top 25 yearly, we can pay our coach a top 25 salary, and we are in the top conference...we should be somewhere around the top 25 to top 40 every year going forward if we are achieving simply what we are capable of achieving. Over achieve here and there, and we could finish in the top 15-20

This times a million.

You know how many Pac 10/12 championships Oregon won in the 50 years before Belotti showed up? One in 1994 by Rich Brooks. One Pac championship in 50 years.

Funny you don't hear Oregon fans bitching about their history anymore.

Prior to 1989, they had been to 6 bowls in their program's history.
11-15-2013, 05:22 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I don't get that caught up in w/l records. You have to judge that on a season by season basis. I enjoyed Mullen's first year when we finished 5-7 a hell of lot more than our puffed up 8-5 season last year.

Exactly. Too many people are ignoring what is happening weekly on the field. They are letting meaningless wins over cream puffs cloud their judgement and blind them of the shitty play and coaching blunders.
11-15-2013, 05:22 PM
Goat Holder

So has Mullen's, per Scout:

2009: 19 (Both Croom and Mullen get credit for this)
2010: 38
2011: 45
2012: 18
2013: 22

You all have gone off the deep end.
11-15-2013, 05:24 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Misleading stats. First thing that jumps out at me is that Mullen has won 40% more SEC games than Croom over 5 years. That stat looks real nice for Mullen, eh? Not mention beating the CUSA/Sun Belt types that Croom (and Jackie) never could. Way to trivialize that. What a joke.

And how you going to compare 14 teams' records to 10 teams' records? That's one sample size of 123 games and another of 170 games.

Nice whiff, Babe Ruth. Or should I say Brad Corley. Better yet Daryl Norris.

Just sad to be honest.
11-15-2013, 05:26 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Misleading stats. First thing that jumps out at me is that Mullen has won 40% more SEC games than Croom over 5 years. That stat looks real nice for Mullen, eh? Not mention beating the CUSA/Sun Belt types that Croom (and Jackie) never could. Way to trivialize that. What a joke.

And how you going to compare 14 teams' records to 10 teams' records? That's one sample size of 123 games and another of 170 games.

Nice whiff, Babe Ruth. Or should I say Brad Corley. Better yet Daryl Norris.

If you aren't capable of acknowledging that Mullen inherited a MUCH better situation than Croom inherited then you can't talk with the grown ups. And remember, this is a Comparison to Croom, not Nick Saban, but freakin Sly Croom.
11-15-2013, 05:30 PM
RougeDawg

You sure this wasnt a dream?

The admin I've heard from are saying starkly different things. They're just trying to determine if its worth it to pay the buyout. The next 3 weeks will push that buyout value one way orb the other.

The other scenario I was told, was DM is pursuing other job options, per request of the Admin. I've not heard not definite tatement saying dan stays no matter what.
11-15-2013, 05:30 PM
Statecoachingblows**

This shit is gettin good! Wish this was on a talk show! Took 30 minutes to get to the end! (Without commercials)
11-15-2013, 05:33 PM
gravedigger

This argument plus croom diaries is all I need.

I've been off the Mullen bandwagon for a couple of weeks now, but wins against Arkansas and om will no longer change my mind.

We are not getting better. Players have lost the fire to play for Mullen for whatever reason and I have no reason to believe a change would set us back.....for now. If we let this go on in another disappointing season with the media beating us up for underachieving, we will lose our opportunity to build on something.

I hear the friction is that HUD and Strick don't work together and HUD is putting stipulations on the relationship if he's hired. Stipulations that Keenum won't accept at this point.

I hope we find a way through this with as little damage as possible, but I do recognize the mistakes made in keeping bellard, felker, sherrill, to long and the advantage we kept in moving to Mullen as quickly as we did one year removed from a bowl win.

I think to put it in a political term, "lame duck" is the best way to describe our coaching staff right now.
11-15-2013, 05:42 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

You sure this wasnt a dream?

The admin I've heard from are saying starkly different things. They're just trying to determine if its worth it to pay the buyout. The next 3 weeks will push that buyout value one way orb the other.

The other scenario I was told, was DM is pursuing other job options, per request of the Admin. I've not heard not definite tatement saying dan stays no matter what.

And the way to know that is how we finish. If we finish well, the fans will show up next year. If we look bad then I gurantee you 5 million is a LOT less than what we would lose by bringing back Dan and a poor product.

The administration is still in cover their ass mode. They would look really stupid if they said that Dan wasn't coming back and then all of a sudden we go on a tear and finish with 8 wins including a bowl game.

Like many of our fans, they can probably speculate how things are likely going to go.
11-15-2013, 05:44 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Statecoachingblows

This shit is gettin good! Wish this was on a talk show! Took 30 minutes to get to the end! (Without commercials)

Starting tomorrow- no doubt. It's crunch time. And it's about to get good one way or the other.
11-15-2013, 05:45 PM
The Croom Diaries

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Misleading stats. First thing that jumps out at me is that Mullen has won 40% more SEC games than Croom over 5 years. That stat looks real nice for Mullen, eh? Not mention beating the CUSA/Sun Belt types that Croom (and Jackie) never could. Way to trivialize that. What a joke.

And how you going to compare 14 teams' records to 10 teams' records? That's one sample size of 123 games and another of 170 games.

Nice whiff, Babe Ruth. Or should I say Brad Corley. Better yet Daryl Norris.

Good one. I'd come back with a bunch of facts but I and many have done that already, and you're not worth the time.
11-15-2013, 05:46 PM
Goat Holder

Mullen would have went 6-6 in 2004 with Omarr Conner and all those guys. Get the **** outta here.

You really think Mullen loses to Maine, UAB and Vandy? Shit, he probably beats Arkansas and Ole Miss too.
11-15-2013, 05:49 PM
Goat Holder

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

Good one. I'd come back with a bunch of facts but I and many have done that already, and you're not worth the time.

I'll take this as a concession. I obliterated your point. So you're correct to stop posting.
11-15-2013, 05:51 PM
Goat Holder

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And it's about to get good one way or the other.

This I'll agree with. We have the best team in America at home, the worst team in the SEC on the road, and our rival at home (who has similar talent to us). I can't think of a better measuring stick for a coach, honestly. I'm very excited to see it play out.
11-15-2013, 05:54 PM
The Croom Diaries

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Mullen would have went 6-6 in 2004 with Omarr Conner and all those guys. Get the **** outta here.

You really think Mullen loses to Maine, UAB and Vandy? Shit, he probably beats Arkansas and Ole Miss too.

Oh, yeah, I totally agree paying a coach $2.7 million to not wet the bed is 100% worth it. I just decided to not fire a guy because didn't lose money for my company. Never mind that he was doing the bare minimum and not making me any money. Makes perfect sense. **
11-15-2013, 05:58 PM
The Croom Diaries

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

I'll take this as a concession. I obliterated your point. So you're correct to stop posting.

In the interest of saving time: http://maroonandwhitenation.com/2013...fight-minimum/

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