WOW, Mizzou's football team quits

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Originally Posted by AlmostPositive

"Half the team is pissed...if we were 9-0 this wouldn't be happening."

Just count on Leftists lying about this every day. It's from the Alinsky playbook. Demonize and ridicule...the ends justify the means.

The players are NOT united... there hasn't been a "slew" of racists events. I'd bet a million dollars that at least a portion of the events are false flag incidents.

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....if not completely fabricated.

College staff and students are terrified of being accused of racism. They know the tactics that will be used against them if they don't toe the party line. If you don't understand this, you don't know much about the current state of academia and identity politics.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

I'll tell you why (good post in that other off-shoot of the thread, I can't argue with any of it).

The point is that this president is automatically guilty by left-leaning people, based on some demands by left-leaning voters (I think we can assume that). The assumptions being made here are mainly by the so-called liberals. Decisions are made before any evidence is put down and examined. The left-leaning media jumps the gun (proven again by them saying they are united, when they weren't) because chaos/drama sells. People's minds get influenced before the verdict is revealed, and they stay that way, even if there is an acquittal or no wrongdoing found (Darren Wilson ring a bell?). THAT is the reason people are sick of this stuff.

Can they protest? Sure. But why are people listening to this goofball crap?? The evidence isn't holding up. And why are they allowed to disturb the peace and call for people's livelihood? People like Quaorsking made up their mind long, long ago.

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Some fair points. But the media is primarily looking for a story, so they will always embellish it.

I said from the beginning we didn't have all the facts, and that certainly applied to me. Perhaps the president has done more than I thought he had, and perhaps this is just a small group of students looking for a cause. If that's the case, it will almost certainly go nowhere regardless of what the media thinks or says.

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Originally Posted by smootness

This is where I hide behind Quaoarsking since he's the one who actually said it haha.

Only kidding. But my main point was that their ability to actually produce results will likely be directly related to how legitimate their claims are and how much support they have.

So if they don't have as much support as portrayed, that's fine. My point still stands, and they probably won't get anything done. So I ask again, why in the world are we making this out to be mob rule and students deciding the president will be fired?

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Oh no.. this isn't going away. There will be a lot of people flood to that campus. I'm talking people that have nothing to do with Mizzou

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Originally Posted by Coach

I have not seen where the faculty is behind his removal. Can you give details?

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The faculty is not solely focused with the racial issues, there are other broader leadership concerns with Wolfe. That's one of the problems here: people are reading one article that refers to race and the football team and getting all riled up without understanding the broader issues in play. A consensus is building about Wolfe needing to resign because there is no confidence in him to lead Mizzou based on multiple issues. This didn't all blow up over a couple racial slurs (which would still be unacceptable btw), it's much worse than that. Here are multiple articles outlining the concerns, including faculty concerns with Wolfe and Chancellor Loftin:

- http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/tim-wo...io-age-photos/ (Check out the video where Wolfe comments on systematic oppression)

- http://www.columbiamissourian.com/ne...ecfaa9d5d.html

- http://m.columbiatribune.com/opinion...917531853.5417

- http://www.columbiamissourian.com/ne...d798TY.twitter

The faculty has not united behind the desire to remove Wolfe at this hour, but there is momentum building there and a lot of concerns building. I expect Wolfe to be gone by Tuesday now that the Governor and a US Senator have weighed in.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

I'll tell you why (good post in that other off-shoot of the thread, I can't argue with any of it).

The point is that this president is automatically guilty by left-leaning people, based on some demands by left-leaning voters (I think we can assume that). The assumptions being made here are mainly by the so-called liberals. Decisions are made before any evidence is put down and examined. The left-leaning media jumps the gun (proven again by them saying they are united, when they weren't) because chaos/drama sells. People's minds get influenced before the verdict is revealed, and they stay that way, even if there is an acquittal or no wrongdoing found (Darren Wilson ring a bell?). THAT is the reason people are sick of this stuff.

Can they protest? Sure. But why are people listening to this goofball crap?? The evidence isn't holding up. And why are they allowed to disturb the peace and call for people's livelihood? People like Quaorsking made up their mind long, long ago.

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What? I never even said I supported all of their "demands." I still haven't found enough information about the situation up there to form a valid opinion on it. All I've said is that I support their right to protest and don't think they should have to be opinionless automatons just because they're on scholarship.

I also stated that the degree of unitedness suggests validity to their cause, although if its not as united as portrayed (and I don't necessarily think that one anonymous claim by one player trumps official statements from the coach and AD, but I guess it at least raises the possibility), that observation may not be valid.

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Originally Posted by Coach

The reason people are up in arms about it is the same reason Donald Trump leads the polls and why UK has a new GOV. At some point, people say "I have had enough". Most of this nation is at that point. I have never seen this much division in my life time.

Some times... I wish I was a kid again.. just playing with my friends.....

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If this is the case, though, then ultimately these things will be counterproductive and will actually lead to the kind of reactions you support.

I prefer to believe that most people have enough intelligence and common sense to understand they shouldn't believe everything they read and to approach most topics with some caution. Assuming this, unreasonable demands by groups like this and sensationalism by the media will work to their detriment and will still be beneficial ultimately.

The media will always try to find a story, even if it's a protest consisting of 2 people.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

The Mizzou team isn't as united as they tried to portray:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...actice-boycott

Derp

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Whoa whoa whoa don't let facts get in the way of how you feel inside *

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Originally Posted by AlmostPositive

College staff and students are terrified of being accused of racism. They know the tactics that will be used against them if they don't toe the party line. If you don't understand this, you don't know much about the current state of academia and identity politics.

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I agree. They're also terrified of being accused of sexism, or ageism, or whatever the heck else somebody wants to get offended by.

But that doesn't mean there aren't real issues at times that need to be addressed.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Whoa whoa whoa don't let facts get in the way of how you feel inside *

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I'm giving the players and coaches in the pictures posted and those that issued statements on the record the benefit of the doubt (since they are on the record) over an anonymous player.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

The faculty is not solely focused with the racial issues, there are other broader leadership concerns with Wolfe. That's one of the problems here: people are reading one article that refers to race and the football team and getting all riled up without understanding the broader issues in play. A consensus is building about Wolfe needing to resign because there is no confidence in him to lead Mizzou based on multiple issues. This didn't all blow up over a couple racial slurs (which would still be unacceptable btw), it's much worse than that. Here are multiple articles outlining the concerns, including faculty concerns with Wolfe and Chancellor Loftin:

- http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/tim-wo...io-age-photos/ (Check out the video where Wolfe comments on systematic oppression)

- http://www.columbiamissourian.com/ne...ecfaa9d5d.html

- http://m.columbiatribune.com/opinion...917531853.5417

- http://www.columbiamissourian.com/ne...d798TY.twitter

The faculty has not united behind the desire to remove Wolfe at this hour, but there is momentum building there and a lot of concerns building. I expect Wolfe to be gone by Tuesday now that the Governor and a US Senator have weighed in.

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ANd that same paper laid out the time line. Loftin, 3 days after the second event, issued mandatory online classes for everybody. The whole issue with the football player is about racial issues. The only part of MIZZOU faculty that has been vocal is the english department. That's all.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

I'm giving the players and coaches in the pictures posted and those that issued statements on the record the benefit of the doubt (since they are on the record) over an anonymous player.

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I disagree with this. It's pretty obvious that in a case like this it's much easier to be on-record in support of the boycott than against it. Because of what was said earlier - the worst thing you can be accused of is being a racist or of being against racial reforms. It would take a brave soul to go on record against these protests. There's really no danger of being in support of them.

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Originally Posted by Coach

ANd that same paper laid out the time line. Loftin, 3 days after the second event, issued mandatory online classes for everybody. The whole issue with the football player is about racial issues. The only part of MIZZOU faculty that has been vocal is the english department. That's all.

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These are contributing factors the lack of confidence in Wolfe that you're seeing. The faculty will be moving on this soon, I promise you. As people "on the ground" understand, there is a lot more than racial incidents happening at Mizzou that are leading to the backlash against Wolfe. Much of this has happened in the past 90 days so the issues have a compounding effect.

We're going to get a playbook on how a University destroys its own athletic programs. I hope the right lessons will be learned by other schools.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I agree. They're also terrified of being accused of sexism, or ageism, or whatever the heck else somebody wants to get offended by.

But that doesn't mean there aren't real issues at times that need to be addressed.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I disagree with this. It's pretty obvious that in a case like this it's much easier to be on-record in support of the boycott than against it. Because of what was said earlier - the worst thing you can be accused of is being a racist or of being against racial reforms. It would take a brave soul to go on record against these protests. There's really no danger of being in support of them.

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If half the team and coaches are against it, but only one anonymous player is speaking out... why should we give that voice more weight than the people that are on the record? I'm not saying there is no truth to it, I'm sure there is some, but that point of view is likely grossly exaggerated (since it is not subject to further examination).

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

These are contributing factors the lack of confidence in Wolfe that you're seeing. The faculty will be moving on this soon, I promise you. As people "on the ground" understand, there is a lot more than racial incidents happening at Mizzou that are leading to the backlash against Wolfe. Much of this has happened in the past 90 days so the issues have a compounding effect.

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No... This is being played out as a racial issue. Not 1 single person in this thread, nor ESPN, NOR uSAToday..etc believes anything else. There has not been one word about anything else by the national media.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

If half the team and coaches are against it, but only one anonymous player is speaking out... why should we give that voice more weight than the people that are on the record? I'm not saying there is no truth to it, I'm sure there is some, but that point of view is likely grossly exaggerated (since it is not subject to further examination).

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You dont think that the locker room wont come into play now that espn has put the story out?

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

If half the team and coaches are against it, but only one anonymous player is speaking out... why should we give that voice more weight than the people that are on the record? I'm not saying there is no truth to it, I'm sure there is some, but that point of view is likely grossly exaggerated (since it is not subject to further examination).

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I'm not saying we should give it more weight. I'm not assuming half the team is against it just because an anonymous player said it. But I do believe the anonymous player is against it, and I'm sure there are probably others as well.

Basically, that report gives me pause when assuming the whole team is behind it, that's all.

Do you think this player did not go on record out of fear of being called a racist? I certainly do.

In this world a person with a differing view from the equality crowd is a racist. I thought these groups were supposed to be tolerant?

And before you say it I will go ahead and address it. This player didn't go anonymous out of fear of dividing the team because 30 other players already have done that. You know...the ones who have gone on record and posed for pictures