And if you do take it seriously, you're a coward living in fear and a communistQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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And if you do take it seriously, you're a coward living in fear and a communistQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
But we've only gone 216 pages. Never pegged you for a quitter.**Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I agree with you. As the same time, there are people on this board that are dismissive of the data being shared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I highly doubt anyone on this thread is being a hermit and not socializing with their friends or neighbors. At the same time, I would hope that they think twice before they head out to participate in a large gathering. It boils down to common sense and I'm afraid that is lacking in our overall population.
I don't think anyone here is not empathetic to the situation and what impact it has had on kids, businesses, family lives, etc. To answer your question on justification, I don't think we'll be shutting things down again like they were earlier this year. I don't think that is a feasible option, nor is it warranted. At the same time, you can't ignore the spikes in cases and think that the virus won't at some point infiltrate your community. My greatest fear is that if it gets a hold of rural communities and spreads (like it did in Albany, GA) - there is going to be some severe heart break because there isn't enough healthcare to manage the volume.
There absolutely are. You can see some posts that accuse people of wanting to let kids play sports of putting kids lives in danger to be entertained. And others that clearly think kids wanting to do things like rec league or high schools sports, or social activities like school dances, or going on beach vacations are being frivolous. They are so worried about their health and their fear of getting sick that they compare everything in the granular against the thought of they themselves dying, and so they are incapable of looking at the big picture and realizing how little sense their positions make when you aggregate the costs and benefits across the whole population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
Well, I'm afraid you can go ahead and get ready to see your greatest fear b/c it seems likely it's going to happen in some places. Populated areas can handle a few super spreader events and it may tax the system, but it's still basically just really loud noise. One super spreader event in a very rural area can hit a significant portion of the population by itself. Going to be a lot more volatility in rural communities, with it being easier for them to avoid the virus on a day to day basis, but much easier to hit a big portion of their population when they do have community events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
My county's health department issued an order that requires masks starting July 10. It is effective till early September. Here's the order if you're interested (though it reads like a legal proclamation, which makes it a bit of a chore to sift through):
http://health.hamiltontn.org/AllServ...9)/Orders.aspx
This comes as a large group of Tennessee's critical care physicians are pushing Governor Lee to issue a statewide mask directive. Here's a video that the group put out:
https://www.facebook.com/20406135672...65492024742150
It's half an hour but is honestly a fairly informative watch. The first 15 minutes or so includes talks from critical care pulmonologists from east, middle, and west Tennessee. (Sidebar: Tennessee's government officially recognizes three "grand divisions" of the state. East -- everything from Chattanooga east -- West -- Memphis to a little past Jackson -- and Middle -- a rough square with Nashville in the center.) The Chattanooga pulmonologist's spiel was particularly interesting, at least to me. (Full disclosure: My father is a physician in Chattanooga and sent me the video. He's worked at the hospital where the Chattanooga pulmonologist practices but is not one of the docs on the call.)
How about where y'all are? Any of your counties/cities/states under mask orders right now?
We've had a mask order since early June.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prediction? Pain.
It's very loosely enforced. I was in Nola where it wasn't enforced much in late May.
I understand completely what you have been saying. It makes more sense than about 90% of what I read here. I don't participate in this particular discussion but I read the vast majority of it. And you are one of the posters that I like to read opinions from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Texas is now under a mandatory mask order for counties with more than 20 Covid cases. Most people in my zip code (DFW) were wearing one anyway. Hard to say what the rest of the state was doing. Probably depends on how dense the population is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prediction? Pain.
43 hospital ICUs across 21 counties in Florida at capacity
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...us-cases-surge
Appreciate your viewpoint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Since this is a sports board, I will start there. I think that we are so consumed with sports that we let it overshadow the fact that it is not essential. I'm all for letting professional sports continue as they see fit, but I think you have to tread carefully when talking about high school or college sports. I think if our universities are so dependent on athletic revenue to balance their operating budgets - then something has gone amiss and this situation has brought to light the imbalance of what an institution of higher learning should be about. It isn't about "fear mongering" or "not seeing the bigger picture" - it is more about whether an activity is essential enough to waive the risks. If the general population feels like that sports at lower levels are essential enough to deal with kids potentially getting sick, then go for it. If a majority think the risks don't warrant cancelling, then have at it. You're going to have detractors and views for both sides. I don't know which side is correct, but I do know sports are entertainment.
To the same point, what are the largest events that typically happen in a rural area in the fall? Don't football games bring people together to sit in stands and root for their team? If you have an asymptomatic spreader that doesn't believe in the data and chooses to forgo a mask, wouldn't a football game where a majority of the community will attend provide an event for it to spread? Just a thought.
Full disclosure - my kid is prepping to play football this fall and is currently playing a league sport right now. My wife and I have discussed the situation and made the decision that we are going to continue our lives as best we can through this pandemic, while also being aware and doing our best to protect those around us by wearing masks. The virus isn't prevalent to a large degree in our current community, so no need to hunker down and be recluses.
Hearing 900+ cases and 40+ deaths reported today. Not on website yet.
956 and 44 new deaths today in MS
Arizona also had 117 deaths reported today.
That said, let's see how the rest of the week plays out. There was likely a backlog due to the holiday weekend. Don't read too much into today's numbers.
Last 3 day total was 11, so 55 over 4 days (~14/day). That's where we've been a while now, unfortunatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
My wife’s hospital is overwhelmed with Covid patients now. She texted me today that she was in Covid-Ville, where ALL lives matter.
Not to pick on you or be argumentative, but I would say this entire paragraph is an example of not seeing the bigger picture. We don't normally require that things be essential in order to allow them to go forward even with risk. Phrase like "whether an activity is essential enough to waive the risks" to me indicates somebody whose risk meter is all out of whack. The first question should be from the kids interest. I.e., how much additional risk is a child exposed to from (for example) playing football. ANd the answer is, not much. If they aren't playing football, they will very likely be socializing in similar sized groups and possibly going to school in similar sized groups. Even if they don't do that, many of them will be working in jobs like retail that expose them to a good number of people. And of course, most importantly, for most of them, it's not a particularly serious threat as far as we know. If you ask most kids, "Would you give up high school sports and other group activities for two years of your high school and otherwise drastically reduce the number of people you interact with socially for two years, in order to cut your risk of catching COVID in half (which I'm not sure we can do), which means your risk of death from COVID would drop from something like 0.01% of dying of COVID to 0.005%, and also cut your risk from some as of yet unknown side effects by half, I think most teenagers would say "are you 17ing kidding me?", and I don't think they would answer that way b/c they are bad at assessing risk (although granted most teenagers are).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
The interests of the kids are certainly not the only question. But the way this thing is talked about you would think their happiness/satisfaction counts about as much as the happiness/satisfaction of people's pet fish. Just because things are not biologically or economically necessary doesn't mean they have zero value.
Again, not meaning to direct this necessarily at you. Some may apply, some may not, but in general, people seem to be being obtuse ass holes about this. If teenagers were going around saying things like, "so you lose your business that you spent the last five years of your life on. Just go get a job like the vast majority of other people. Five years of your life is a small price to pay", people would rightfully look at those teenagers as ass holes, or I guess more accurately, as lacking perspective because they are teenagers.
But I don't know what the excuse is for adults who act like just taking away in person school, extra curricular activities, social events, etc. from high schoolers for a couple of years is no big deal. It's a big deal. There's more to life than biological and work necessities and lots of things that aren't those things are important.
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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
I don't take this personal and enjoy the dialogue. My take is until a kid turns 18, it's up to the parents since they are considered a minor. You can't vote or enlist in the military without parental permission until you're 18, yet we want to give them the ability to make these decisions. Hell, at that age I thought I was invincible. All the examples you provide should be done with parental input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
You can't do anything sports related these days without signing COVID waivers. Why is that? It's to protect the entity sanctioning those events. I think my view is pretty global regarding this. With all due respect, this topic appears to be hitting home for you for whatever reason (but I could be completely off base). Irregardless, having different opinions isn't always a negative.
Mississippi re-imposed restrictions on elective surgery in Hinds, Madison, Rankin, Forrest, Jones, and Washington counties this afternoon. More counties are rumored to be coming. This is getting very, very serious and it's doing it very fast.
State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs said a public health order will be issued Tuesday that will restrict elective procedures in Hinds, Rankin, Madison, Forest, Jones and Washington counties. The order goes into effect Thursday.
Dobbs said the hospitals are running out of ICU beds.
“My greatest fear is starting to be realized,” Dobbs said about the growing number of COVID-19 patients in hospital beds.
“It’s dangerous to violate the social distancing rules, which a lot of people are doing,” Dobbs said. “You can’t put a lot of people together in the worst pandemic in history and expect nothing to happen. It’s just insane.”
Lol, I think commerce needs to email Dr. Dobbs and reassure him that nobody he knows is freaking out. Maybe it'll calm him down a bit.
90% of ICU beds in Texas are non Covid related.
I think you need to look at yourself in the mirror and quit being an asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
10 of today's were from June 17-18, so today's reported cases were 34, added to the 11 over the last three days = 45 over the last 4 days (11 per day). We have been averaging single digits, so it will be interesting if we see it staying around 10 or if jumps back higher over the next few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Now, of the total 44, 0 were under forty and 2 were under fifty. Only 5 were under sixty. So 39 of the 44 were over sixty. None of that is to downplay death, but just to show that our average hasn't moved off of about 10 deaths daily and the age of those dying hasn't changed.
Worst pandemic in history?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
I lol'd at that too. Pretty sure the Black Plague takes that cake.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It was a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
My point was Dobbs definitely sounds like he's freaking out. When I read it, I heard it in the "out here running the option in Hurricane Katrina" voice.
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It does seem like Dobbs and Tater are starting to take this more seriously. Nobody is listening to them tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
State fair of Texas was canceled today.
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Originally Posted by msstate7
Neither mortality rate or case mix within the ICU matter. I'm not sure why folks get so hung up on this. Obviously, you want a low death rate but the point is (and has always been) bed capacity within a hospital. Patients aren't in ICU because they want to be and/or normal ICU patients don't stop needing that level of care because we're in a pandemic. You're always going to have a mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
With elective surgeries being suspended, those health systems in those counties are about to start hemorrhaging cash. They'll still have the expenses because beds are occupied, but they won't be reimbursed at the level elective surgeries generate.
What happens when a business maintains their expenses and their revenues drop? They lay people off to cut costs and balance their budgets.
Saw this doctor on FB. Saw the video on someone else's FB page. Scroll down to the 4th video on this guys homepage and listen to his success rate using hydroxy + a couple other things. 75 patients ... no hospital stays per what he says. Has a friend that's a doc has same success with 5X the number of patients. Not sure how true but ...
https://www.facebook.com/michling
I'm not sure if there are still funds available or not, but at one point hospitals were getting government money for covid patients. If they still are, that could bridge the gap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
He actually said the worst pandemic in a century. I watched the press conference, so someone transcribed that wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Yes, which is why dumping covid on top of what we normally see can overload the system. ICU beds are always tight in a metro area at baseline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
Truth. Hospitals can't sustain themselves without elective procedures. We will have the beds for COVID patients. I've never been worried about that because all you have to do is cut back elective procedures to make space. The problem is that hospitals cannot financially sustain themselves without elective procedures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
it wasn't a joke - you meant that shit to sound exactly like it sounded ... take KO's adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by hacker
ICU beds are always at a premium. COVID patients are starting to displace the normal stuff in ICUs. Y'all just don't get how this works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
I don't think it's their fault. The WHO, CDC, Fauci, Birx are all over the map on things. No one is on same page. Facui has been caught without mask. When he is on camera he has it on. When off he does not. I have seen the photos. One says your ok outside but stay six feet apart but no mask. One says if outside wear mask and stay six feet about. That's just one example. Trump don't wear mask. Biden will wear a mask up to the podium to speak,then he takes it off to speak, when he is done he just walks away and leaves his mask in his pocket. I have been to LA, TX, NM, AZ, UT, CO, WY, OK in past three weeks. 1 out of 30 might have a mask. I go to the gym five days a week. It is packed. No one is wearing mask. They keep changing things and people are starting to call it all political bullshit. When you add in all the other bull shit you read or hear from the news, plus being shut down for so long, people are just tired of it and damn the torpedo let's move on. If this was not an election year, this whole virus thing would have been handle differently. We are a free people and we want to be free to live our lives. I am not scared, I am not wearing a mask, I am living my life. I wash my hands, I try to stay six feet away, if I have to sneeze or cough I walk as far away from anyone as possible cover my face with arm so it doesn't spray. My vulnerably family members are isolated.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
.Call me what you want, I don't give a shit but I suspect there are a larger portion of Americans who feel like me that don't.
I am not going off on you. Please don't take it that way.
The actual quote was a century.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7