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You have to be really careful relying on JUCO and transfers to build a program. See JWS. Can they help fill immediate needs? Sure. But there's a reason they went JUCO or transferred. CML would have run off a few of the past big JUCO guys, unless he abandoned his no nonsense policies.
Just give the guys a chance. To much hype is given to the "data" on the recruiting sites. Obviously these guys are good evaluators of football talent, but its not a perfected science. There could be 3/4 NFL players in the class and it not be obvious at this time. Sucks to lose players that have the measurables but its not the end of the world.
Not convinced that Hampton or Toles are really SEC material but at some point you have to sign the best you can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Hampton is an SEC athlete. We'll see if he can play DBQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I think I do understand what happened in the 23rd hour on those guys. And if I do understand I don't really see how hiring more football recruiting guys within the program will help. Seems the only thing that would really help would be having more recruiting guys OUTSIDE of the football program. Now that being said, the coaching staff we currently have could have done a LOT more to help in the recruiting effort by putting a better product on the field. When you combine outside pressures from other schools (some impermissable and some permissable) with the fact that our football product on the field since the LSU game has been abysmal, then you have problems holding onto recruits that have other options. I would be willing to bet that if we had finished this year 5-5 or so with an improving team then there is a much higher chance that we sign all 3 of the guys that we lost on signing day. Heck, OM looks like the more promising program right now and LSU, as bad as they have been this year, picked a bad time, at least for us, to beat a Top 10 SEC team. And they are still LSU. In some ways we probably did well to hold what we did. All prospects can really see right now is an unproductive offensive team and a lot of players quitting or opting out of the program. A lot of guys want to be a part of a winning program or a program that has a good chance to win. Leach and staff haven't shown that at MSU yet. Kiffin has shown more promise at OM. That is just calling a spade a spade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Its not like we used our last spot on him. We still have plenty of spots for any bigger fish we can get in the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
I especially agree with this on transfers. I could give you a laundry list of JUCOs that have been great players in our program but I can't even think of a handful of D1 transfers that have helped us. Now I know you don't want to get too reliant on JUCOs but given our inability to attract many of the elite talents coming out of HS we HAVE to supplement with some of the best JUCOs out there to have a chance to compete with the upper level SEC teams that reel in Top 10 classes every year. But back to transfers, we just don't seem to have any luck there. I'm sure there have been one or two tranfers that may have helped us over the years but none are really jumping out to me. Last one I can think of that was really good was Olanda Truitt under JWS but that's been nearly 30 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
As far as Hampton, the saying is true. You can't teach speed or size. Some of our fans really are the worst losers imaginable. Yes, he will have to learn the position, but so what? He had an offer from Indiana. Yes, that top 12 ranked Indiana. Auburn was talking to him. Yall really insult a lot of these kids because they aren't what you wanted. Let's see what we have in him. This is a good solid class and when we are done in February it will probably be in the upper 20s. Just like Moorehead's class last year that I didn't hear crap about.
Spot on as always.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
couple of questions for you Ari or anyone in the know on Hampton and Hunter.
1. Hampton - Do we know his time in the 40? Heard things but assuming 4.5 in actuality? I have a relative that coaches in N. MS and he said the kid is a heck of an athlete. Hampton does have the same vibe as guys in the past we took after losing another guy, and then becomes a star.
2. Hunter- Assuming he was taking his time for options, understandably, but is he a possibility to join us as a defensive player? That would be a good pull if he decides that.
If Hunter comes, I believe he will be on defense. He is a plus athlete and would make a great safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
I don’t think Hunter is a SEC difference maker on offense.. but who would have thought B Holloway would have been as productive as he was.. Hunter doesn’t have that kind of speed but he is more talented all around..
Agree. Let’s give Hampton a few years to see how he adjusts to the position .. if it doesn’t pan out no harm no foul. Like I said he was WAY less expensive than MJ..Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
in recruiting today some battles you win, some battles you lose, some battles you HAVE to win no matter what ( Simmons , Jones) and some battles you just pass on ... that’s MJ ..
Quick break down on the class by position IMO...
Qb... A+ got the 2 guys he wanted. And got the prize in Sawyer.
RB... incomplete.. not really a position of need. But talk of Price possibly at Rb and also Hunter still out there
OL... B- .. May not have a crown jewel in it , but flipping 2 from P5 schools ( Boone and Reese) and OM doing us a solid with Pounders and then looking like assholes in the end.
WR... B .. would have been A+ if we had kept Nabers or flipped Smith. But Knox is still the lead dawg. Losing Buck not a big deal . I think Jacobi is the 2nd best in the state. Wait and see on Harmon but good get late in the game could have big upside. And Thomas was a SC cocks commit at one time.. good flip there
TE... see WR
DL .. C- (incomplete) . let’s see if we close one or 2 of Cooper and Anderson. If we get both there’s your B
Hopefully Charlton is as advertised.
LB .. B. I know we lost Strong , or as some on here refer to him as Mike Singletary , to LSU.. but the staff likes Page I do know that and we landed the best LB in the state in Lewis.. Not to mention Out of state guys Rogers and Mitchell . we have always had very good success with out of state LB the last few years..
DBs.. F ( incomplete) I will grade harsh here . With reason. Calloway , Daniels, Walley (0-3) If we close Perkins and land another late DB it will get off the failing grade.. good thing is we are fairly young in the backend but unproven.. a couple come to mind in Dean and Richardson .. we do have 2 future pro CB in Forbes and Emerson. but really can’t miss on some guys next year.. getting Peters and Morgan back will help a lot. Would love to get a transfer with a 2-3 years left to play
Down year in Mississippi for amount of talent.. out of top 4 we landed one in Lewis
Davis, Calloway, Daniels the other 3 IMO
Next year in state looks to be much better.. need a good year on the field and hopefully the staff learns from year one in recruiting in the SEC.. it’s no picnic..esp with our resources or lack there off.
We had no plan for MJ bolting. That's on the staff. We were still looking for a couple DBs to go along with Johnson and Perkins if we get them. It's been bad at the DB spot. Those two can ease the pain some. Losing Strong who grew up a State fan and lives with a signee is bad too.
QB: A+Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
RB: B+
WR:B
OL: C+
DL: B- (Anderson has already signed)
LB: A-
DBs: F
The program needs momentum.
With Momentum I think 3 of Daniels, Calloway, Walley, and Deion are ours.
We need a damn win today. Win today and in the bowl game, and we can get a running start towards next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Agree. I think this staff will win, but the sooner we start playing better, the easier recruiting will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Harmon is definitely full of potential. If his work ethic is as mentioned, being a hard worker, he will be a definite mismatch on the field.
With Strong situation... See MJ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
and in saying no backup plan.. we aren’t Bama or Clemson.. we don’t have multiple highly ranked guys to fall back on at all positions., and Daniels isn’t a 5 star cant miss kid.. yes he might end up being really good but he was ranked basically the same as Dean last year ..