Woody and DJ

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

General Rule: Coaches shouldn't talk negatively about a player to another player, privately. It never works out well.

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Never!!!

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I know some drag queens who would kick your ass for calling them soft LOL

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Nah. I wouldn't be around one. Not my kinda culture or crowd. Feel me?

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

General Rule: Coaches shouldn't talk negatively about a player to another player, privately. It never works out well.

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Kid wasn?t on the team-no longer a player of Mississippi State. He wanted a pay day and he will now be at La Tech because of the way he has handled things. It?s even worse for him trying to double down. There is a reason the video got in public so he couldn?t try to spin it anymore. Everything has blown up on him.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

No he won't lose the fan base & he isn't losing the locker room. You people are unbearable & so biased against Leach it isn't even funny. These kids & obviously grown ups as well are soft as fkn Charmin & it's the reason we're living in such a soft ass world where people want to cancel anyone for anything today.

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I'm closer to the athletes than you are. Been there, done that, and still in the know of the locker room. Leach is outdated

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I'm closer to the athletes than you are. Been there, done that, and still in the know of the locker room. Leach is outdated

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Great, tell us how you don't like leach. Outdated because he was mean????

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

I have seen the video. If that?s the worse that?s ever been said to him, he is soft. I have had way worse things said to me by coaches in middle school and high school ball. Hell I had Saban and Hev cuss me out at two different camps.

And the recording was done after Dillion Johnson informed the coaches he was leaving. Not before hand. The kid had 138 touches last year and only 3 TDs. You can replace that in the portal easily. Just like the NFL, RBs are a dime dozen.

Some of our fans just have an agenda. They don?t like our coaches not chewing out players but when we do it?s not cool to do that. Deion tells a whole team to get out and is praised. We try to upgrade our offense and our fans think it?s terrible even though everyone here complains about lack of playmakers.

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Yet his tweet insinuated that it was because of what was said that he was leaving. "With that being said, since I am not very tough, and Leach is glad I'm leaving, I will be entering my name into the transfer portal..." I see he also took down the tweet advertising his tell all stream at 1pm unless I'm missing it somehow.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I'm closer to the athletes than you are. Been there, done that, and still in the know of the locker room. Leach is outdated

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I also have been around the those guys from 2012-2015. And this isn?t bad at all. Wanna know bad? How about Mullen encouraging the defense to hit Dak in practice in the middle of season. Then when Grant Harris knocked the crap out of Dak and started a brawl, Mullen was on the 50 laughing.

I guess Saban is also outdated because he cusses at players and talks down on them too?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I'm closer to the athletes than you are. Been there, done that, and still in the know of the locker room. Leach is outdated

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I literally know LEADERS on the team in the locker room right now & you are wrong. The culture in that locker room was amazing one week ago & will be again when the cancers that recently popped up are all gone. These players are getting horrible advice & trying to cause trouble. & Mean ole Leach will deal with it.

But let's be honest here, by outdated you mean he should be soft as shit on the players. Just go ahead and say it. The very reason the world is so fked up today. No discipline & entitlement.

Like I said we better hope there's no Dillon Johnson's on the basketball team. By your standards Jans should be considered a serial killer. Leach is a pansy compared to Jans.

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

Yet his tweet insinuated that it was because of what was said that he was leaving. "With that being said, since I am not very tough, and Leach is glad I'm leaving, I will be entering my name into the transfer portal..." I see he also took down the tweet advertising his tell all stream at 1pm unless I'm missing it somehow.

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Exactly. This is all you need to know. The guy wasn't being honest & used this as an excuse for his way out bc he felt bad. And so many of our ignorant fan base fell for it. He will likely be a backup at most power 5 schools or he can go to southern miss or La Tech & maybe share playing time. Unbelievable.

Btw there's a reason we HAD to throw the ball a lot on 3rd or 4th & short.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

I have seen the video. If that?s the worse that?s ever been said to him, he is soft. I have had way worse things said to me by coaches in middle school and high school ball. Hell I had Saban and Hev cuss me out at two different camps.

And the recording was done after Dillion Johnson informed the coaches he was leaving. Not before hand. The kid had 138 touches last year and only 3 TDs. You can replace that in the portal easily. Just like the NFL, RBs are a dime dozen.

Some of our fans just have an agenda. They don?t like our coaches not chewing out players but when we do it?s not cool to do that. Deion tells a whole team to get out and is praised. We try to upgrade our offense and our fans think it?s terrible even though everyone here complains about lack of playmakers.

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Good post. Some do want Leach gone no matter what and are hoping he fails, regardless of what they say. This offense ain't their kind of football.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I'm closer to the athletes than you are. Been there, done that, and still in the know of the locker room. Leach is outdated

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You gone help DJ out when he does not end up on a power 5 level team too? He's lucky that Marks was injured or he'd been standing on the sideline more. I know a couple the players too and they both are pissed as pure F*CK at the childish behavior of DJ as well as a couple others. In my opinion, DJ never was an SEC caliber RB but he got PT due to playing hard and being gritty. I wonder what he will think when he lands at a sun belt school? Is that gone pay good?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Leach and his old school mentality had better calm down or he'll lose the fan base next. He's already losing the locker room. This isn't Washington state. He's becoming the lunatic Texas Tech coach.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

In my opinion, DJ never was an SEC caliber RB but he got PT due to playing hard and being gritty.

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This is the kind of bs that makes your opinion, well, bs. Playing hard and being gritty equals soft. GTFOH

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I'm closer to the athletes than you are. Been there, done that, and still in the know of the locker room. Leach is outdated

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

This is the kind of bs that makes your opinion, well, bs. Playing hard and being gritty equals soft. GTFOH

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You can play hard & gritty & still be mentally soft... Its not even uncommon in sports. It's one reason why so many talented athletes never make it.

We sure do have a bunch of folks "in the know" who seem to be conflicting each other. If you're more upset about a player that's leaving getting upset and their feelings hurt than supporting the rest of the team, that seems odd to me. The ones crowing the loudest have had nothing good to say about the staff and certain players all year long. At least be honest enough to admit you want Leach to fail no matter the cost to the university. I can respect honesty. I can't respect people who lie and create agendas because you think your JV football days at Houlka or Independence qualifies you as an expert.

28 played football for miss state

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

You can play hard & gritty & still be mentally soft... Its not even uncommon in sports. It's one reason why so many talented athletes never make it.

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I'm guessing it's probably something along these lines ... but don't really know. IMO DJ was our best back, had the best vision, and was the hardest to bring down. But after his injury something may have changed. We have no idea how badly he was really hurt or how he handled that. And there may be other mental aspects like you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

28 played football for miss state

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And I'm assuming all these other guys did as well? Because I'm not even remotely buying everyone here claiming to know knows shit.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

I also have been around the those guys from 2012-2015. And this isn?t bad at all. Wanna know bad? How about Mullen encouraging the defense to hit Dak in practice in the middle of season. Then when Grant Harris knocked the crap out of Dak and started a brawl, Mullen was on the 50 laughing.

I guess Saban is also outdated because he cusses at players and talks down on them too?

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Saban and Leach are not in the same stratosphere. Saban has also changed his philosophy and coaching style.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

28 played football for miss state

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When? In 1970? Bc he doesn't know shit about the current program. I can say that with 100% fact & commerce & others can probably tell you the same. The culture of the locker room was very good until a few days ago. The problems are being handled. Two are already out.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

You gone help DJ out when he does not end up on a power 5 level team too? He's lucky that Marks was injured or he'd been standing on the sideline more. I know a couple the players too and they both are pissed as pure F*CK at the childish behavior of DJ as well as a couple others. In my opinion, DJ never was an SEC caliber RB but he got PT due to playing hard and being gritty. I wonder what he will think when he lands at a sun belt school? Is that gone pay good?

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You're naive if you think this one incident was a breaking point. Athletes in college are dawged daily by coaches. Leach has had an entire turnover of the team since he's arrived. Ironically, this is the least amount of players so far that have transferred. However, everyone has a breaking point. Sports and the military are the only two professions where you must take verbal abuse and be ok with it. When a player finally says enough, they're soft. GTFOH, they do more activities in 3 hours than probably 75% of the United States.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

When? In 1970? Bc he doesn't know shit about the current program. I can say that with 100% fact & commerce & others can probably tell you the same. The culture of the locker room was very good until a few days ago. The problems are being handled. Two are already out.

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You're definitely ignorant to a culture if you think 2 days caused it to go sideways. Your sources suck and your speculation is terrible. Are you a politician?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Saban and Leach are not in the same stratosphere. Saban has also changed his philosophy and coaching style.

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Kirby is a hardass too. The video releases this year before the TN game he was cussing a DB out.

But some coaches aren't like that. There is more than one approach that will work.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Saban and Leach are not in the same stratosphere. Saban has also changed his philosophy and coaching style.

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You're so full of shit lmao. I can't even imagine what he says to them in private. Nick Saban has not gone soft. I guarantee you that, especially after missing the playoffs for the first time ever?

https://youtu.be/xOhVfD7sCgk

https://outsider.com/sports/nick-sab...beating-texas/

https://tdalabamamag.com/2022/11/13/...ffense-mishap/

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Kirby is a hardass too. The video releases this year before the TN game he was cussing a DB out.

But some coaches aren't like that. There is more than one approach that will work.

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I would think guys like saban and smart can get away with more when their players are already handsomely paid and both coaches are cranking out players in the draft year-in, year-out.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

You're definitely ignorant to a culture if you think 2 days caused it to go sideways. Your sources suck and your speculation is terrible. Are you a politician?

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Lmao. So a CURRENT leader of the football team word sucks? And yours, who played 80 years ago for a completely different staff, is Gold? 🤦

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I would think guys like saban and smart can get away with more when their players are already handsomely paid and both coaches are cranking out players in the draft year-in, year-out.

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So it's ok only if you're a Saban & Smart? That's your argument?

I respect 28 and his info because I know he played at State and is pretty close to the program. There are so many of us on here that know players and coaches or people in the athletic dept and there is always gonna be some conflicting info. It's just like any organization there's gonna be people happy to be there and there's gonna be some that are disgruntled. The kids I know personally on the team are happy and really like Leach(why they are staying when they could go to the draft or transfer). Heck my youngest son knows half the team and plays video games online with them. I do know that nil and the portal is a huge issue. It's becoming equivalent to a kid saying "I don't like you and I'm taking my ball and going home and not playing with you anymore". Cfb is forever changed and it's a mess. Can't wait until this infects the high school level. Heck travel sports are already littered with deals for kids to come play with this or that organization. My youngest who is a baseball player was a dang good basketball player as a youth and at one of his games a guy came up to me and offered some "incentives" if he would come play for his team. I declined. Just my 2 cents which doesn't mean much. Sorry for the long post guys.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

So it's ok only if you're a Saban & Smart? That's your argument?

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No, I'm saying kids would put up with more from them than someone with a lesser resume

And I don't care what the coaches say, and I don't care if the players put up with it or not. As long as leach is our coach, he can do it his way. And as long as players have a transfer ticket out, they do what they want.

I will never understand why people cannot accept the fact that more than one thing can be true at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I respect 28 and his info because I know he played at State and is pretty close to the program. There are so many of us on here that know players and coaches or people in the athletic dept and there is always gonna be some conflicting info. It's just like any organization there's gonna be people happy to be there and there's gonna be some that are disgruntled. The kids I know personally on the team are happy and really like Leach(why they are staying when they could go to the draft or transfer). Heck my youngest son knows half the team and plays video games online with them. I do know that nil and the portal is a huge issue. It's becoming equivalent to a kid saying "I don't like you and I'm taking my ball and going home and not playing with you anymore". Cfb is forever changed and it's a mess. Can't wait until this infects the high school level. Heck travel sports are already littered with deals for kids to come play with this or that organization. My youngest who is a baseball player was a dang good basketball player as a youth and at one of his games a guy came up to me and offered some "incentives" if he would come play for his team. I declined. Sorry for the long post guys.

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I respect that he was a player at State. I do not respect the dishonesty & that's exactly what he's displaying right now simply bc he doesn't like Leach for whatever reason. Leach is as well respected among the coaching ranks & his players as any coach in college football.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

I will never understand why people cannot accept the fact that more than one thing can be true at the same time.

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We live in an age where being "right" is more important than being factually correct.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

No, I'm saying kids would put up with more from them than someone with a lesser resume

And I don't care what the coaches say, and I don't care if the players put up with it or not. As long as leach is our coach, he can do it his way. And as long as players have a transfer ticket out, they do what they want.

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I can't argue with this. But maybe a lesson is learned among players entering the portal that "thy shall not lie" on the way out.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I respect 28 and his info because I know he played at State and is pretty close to the program. There are so many of us on here that know players and coaches or people in the athletic dept and there is always gonna be some conflicting info. It's just like any organization there's gonna be people happy to be there and there's gonna be some that are disgruntled. The kids I know personally on the team are happy and really like Leach(why they are staying when they could go to the draft or transfer). Heck my youngest son knows half the team and plays video games online with them. I do know that nil and the portal is a huge issue. It's becoming equivalent to a kid saying "I don't like you and I'm taking my ball and going home and not playing with you anymore". Cfb is forever changed and it's a mess. Can't wait until this infects the high school level. Heck travel sports are already littered with deals for kids to come play with this or that organization. My youngest who is a baseball player was a dang good basketball player as a youth and at one of his games a guy came up to me and offered some "incentives" if he would come play for his team. I declined. Just my 2 cents which doesn't mean much. Sorry for the long post guys.

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CC, you're one of the last posters who would ever need to apologize for a long-winded post.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

You're naive if you think this one incident was a breaking point. Athletes in college are dawged daily by coaches. Leach has had an entire turnover of the team since he's arrived. Ironically, this is the least amount of players so far that have transferred. However, everyone has a breaking point. Sports and the military are the only two professions where you must take verbal abuse and be ok with it. When a player finally says enough, they're soft. GTFOH, they do more activities in 3 hours than probably 75% of the United States.

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You clearly don't work in a hospital because I get verbally abused all the time. Add that to your professions list.

And they are soft.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

I will never understand why people cannot accept the fact that more than one thing can be true at the same time.

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Yep this is one of the few absolute facts in this thread!

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Originally Posted by msstate7

No, I'm saying kids would put up with more from them than someone with a lesser resume

And I don't care what the coaches say, and I don't care if the players put up with it or not. As long as leach is our coach, he can do it his way. And as long as players have a transfer ticket out, they do what they want.

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Then explain why Saban has a starting offensive lineman in the portal and a couple more guys that were key contributors?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Kirby is a hardass too. The video releases this year before the TN game he was cussing a DB out.

But some coaches aren't like that. There is more than one approach that will work.

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Kirby is not old school.

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Originally Posted by Tater

CC, you're one of the last posters who would ever need to apologize for a long-winded post.

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Appreciate that. I try not to rant to much.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You clearly don't work in a hospital because I get verbally abused all the time. Add that to your professions list.

And they are soft.

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I actually work in Healthcare. If you're allowing a doctor to yell at your that's your fault. Healthcare pales in comparison.