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Originally Posted by Dawgology
Oh, and No.....
And if I may add a bit... Shut your phuckin whore mouth....
No offense intended.
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No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Oh, and No.....
And if I may add a bit... Shut your phuckin whore mouth....
No offense intended.
Your lack of an understanding of sarcasm shines through when you post your regular personal attack BS. This post wasn?t even directed at you. The framers of the constitution did not believe they were Moses being gifted a perfect document by God. The men writing the constitution had already failed at creating a national government. Obviously, they knew their works were not perfect. If they believed that, there would be no process to change said document. That?s why I make fun of strict constitutionalists. The constitution is purposefully designed as a living document. It?s actually ridiculous that it hasn?t changed more over the past 200+ years. Many of the states within our union have completely thrown out their state constitutions multiple times and started over as generational needs have dictated. Georgia has had 11, and enacted their newest one in 1982. Even Mississippi has had 4, but in true Mississippi fashion, is operating under one from 1890.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Go back to reading your Bill O?Reilly and Alec Jones ?history? books.
For the strict constitutionalists....Have you ever considered that the 2nd amendment applies to the weapons in existence then? Maybe you should be restricted to muzzle loaders.
Cars were not in existence when the 4th amendment was passed. Guess it does not protect your vehicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
there were also bombs, cannons , pistols & KY Long Rifles back then as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
the bottom line is that the only guns that should be at a football game are those being carried by cops and other hired security folk. I realize alcohol is not sold at the games but we all know a huge amount of alcohol is consumed before and during games. alcohol and guns should not be mixed. leave your guns at home and go enjoy the game.
Our Athletic Dept can override this shit. MSU would win in court.
Agree 1000%Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
Touche'Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If you can show me where it mentions muskets then I?ll agree with you. What they legalized were muskets which were the most advanced firearm in existence of the day. They were the AR-15 of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
I have not read many of these posts,because everybody has a opinion.
I believe in the 2nd amendment!
I own guns.
I do not see any logical reason to carry a gun to a athletic game.
The difference is that muskets were essentially the only firearm available at the time. I know there were pistols, but they operated in essentially the same manner - muzzle load powder, wadding, and ball, prime and fire. There was no distinction between a weapon designed for hunting, or self protection, and what was used by militaries. As firearms have advanced, that distinction has changed, and for a time so did our laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34
so what law would you change or add? I think Vegas' point is valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Well the second amendment clearly states that we are to have guns to form a well regulated militia to protect ourselves from the government. Not to own and carry fire arms wherever we feel like. Did any gun owners on here want to start a militia when the snowflakes were taking away our country?
I think weapons like the AR15 are designed and created for military purposes and should need additional ownership requirements - more training, background checks, liability insurance, anti-theft measures, and restrictions on carrying in public. They are the weapon of choice in mass shootings, and they should be hard to get. I think handguns should have magazine capacity limits. If you can?t hit your target in 6 or 8 shots, you shouldn?t have a gun anyway - you are doing potentially more harm than good. I think allowing silencers is a very bad idea. Those are common sense ideas that don?t infringe on your rights to own. We also need to do more for the ATF and agencies charged with enforcing gun restrictions so they have the resources to make inroads on illegal and black market sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788
AND THIS ONE IS ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITES
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
My favorite part about the gun nuts is they refuse to change anything about the 2nd AMENDMENT where by definition the word amendment means to make change to something. It's a ****ing amendment dumbasses. That means in 230 years when guns have become much more lethal you make a ****ing change to the ****ing AMENDMENT.
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a-mend-ment
əˈmen/mənt/Submit
noun
a minor change in a document.
a change or addition to a legal or statutory document.
"an amendment to existing bail laws"
an article added to the US Constitution.
noun: Amendment; plural noun: Amendments
"the First Amendment"
Those are some ideas that require serious consideration, IMO...Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
However, while the AR-15 is a particularly lethal weapon, it gets a bad wrap re: its usage in "mass shootings", IMO...
The only difference between an AR15 and any other semi-auto rifle is looks. it just LOOKS like a military weapon. that's why people find it appealing. you can discharge and reinsert a magazine in 2 seconds. the argument against limiting magazine capacity is if you are attacked by a gang. I should not be forced to take a training class before I buy a rifle or pistol. I should not be forced to buy insurance. anti theft measures? not sure what you're suggesting there. we already have restrictions on carrying in public. not sure why someone needs a silencer , agreed. agree about cracking down on the black market. those are the ones that murder many times more than legal guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
It takes you 2 seconds to reload???Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
Work on it.*
The 2A says the right of the people. EVERY other instance in the Constitution when the word people was used it meant the entire civilian population. To insinuate that in this instance it means something less is dishonest at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Good points. AR15s may get a bad wrap, and may not be the best example, I?m sure there is a better one. As for training, at least in GA, you have to have a Hunter Safety Cetification Class before you can get a hunting license if you are under a certain age. If you require gun owner insurance, you could get $ off for safety classes like you can for Drivers Ed on your car insurance. Also, if you own weapons with higher fire capacity, I want you to be able to shoot - I don?t want some Numbnutts who can hit the broad side of a barn ?protecting? people in a live fire situation. He will injure or kill more than the bad guy. Maybe create a marksman qualification requirement? I?m also a believer in gun safes for general storage (I have no problem with a hand gun on your nightstand unless you have a toddler in the house). I think in general, most gun owners, already do most of the things that I mentionQuote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
Sorry Vegas, but your argument doesn't hold water. It's like comparing a Model T to a Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34
Can I own an atomic bomb? Those are "arms". Any problem with fully automatic weapons being banned from the public?
From time to time, I do a little bit of range coaching, zeroing, and some light weapons maintenance...Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
There's quite a few people that wouldn't want "on my side" in a firefight due to their abysmal level of understanding and training on the AR...
The problem with the AR-15 (besides being way too lethal for your average swinging dick to own one) is that it's become way too popular. Just search on Facebook for a bit and look at all the brainless idiots drooling and posting pics bragging on their "baby" they just bought to see it needs to be much more regulated than it currently is. You shouldn't have 1,000 jackasses in Pearl, MS bragging about their AR-15s but that's exactly what you have in current USA.
Excellent point... The "fad" is a large part of the problem... that and the "types" that are attracted to the fad...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
it most certainly DOES hold water. nobody in their right mind wants the public to have access to certain military weapons. nobody's arguing for that. full auto rifles are no longer available to the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Same here, but I can not bring myself to say another person should be forced to give his or her upQuote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Nope. We had a thread on this topic. You would be amazed at what was out there. And a cannon was pretty bad arse.... still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
And that's the stance MSU was basically taking too until the SEC commissioner just demanded we don't allow guns into the stadiums or risk potential expulsion from the SEC. That means we say "yes, sir no more guns". It isn't rocket surgery. When daddy tells us no we listen and do what daddy demands. We don't play a game of chicken with daddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
stick to sports 61. you know nothing about guns. there's no difference between an AR-15 & other semi auto rifles except appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
https://www.policeone.com/the-tactic...he-difference/
I suppose the proposed law is only for handguns in sporting venues, but I can't help but get a mental image of half the crowd sitting around in the bleachers with an AR15 in their hand.
I bet the officiating would get better....*Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
And the OM guy might've thought twice about breaking Fitz's ankle. **Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
No. It only involves enhanced concealed carry holders carrying a concealed weapon. It can. It be openly visible and rifles are not covered. Must be a pistol or revolver.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
I'm going to commit a message board foul and bump a week old thread, but I needed something of a vent.
When I got home from work yesterday, I flipped open FB to scroll through, and the first post was from a friend I've known since elementary school. We aren't particularly close, but I see her a couple of times a year at weddings, funerals, reunions, and we have met each others kids, spouses, etc. The post was 15 minutes old, and she was frantically reaching out to see if anyone had heard from her daughter, who is a Junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglass High School in Parkland, FL. No one had heard from her. It being a solid 2 hours after the shooting ended, I think we all knew that it looked bad. She found her around 7:00 pm in a local hospital, shot multiple times. She had already been through 1 surgery, and they were prepping her for a second. The second surgery lasted until almost midnight. There were so many wounds, the doctors could not tell how many times she had been shot. Between the wounds and the blood loss, the doctors said its an absolute miracle she is alive. One shot was thru her back, shattering her ribs, pierced her lungs and stomach. Several shots to the shoulder traveled the length of the arm and then exited, shredding one arm. Amazingly, other than a lung, no vital organs were hit, her spinal chord is intact, and they believe she will recover with time. My friend also has a son that the school who luckily escaped unharmed.
This is the 3rd person I know from my high school graduating class of 205 people that has been directly impacted by a mass shooting. Sandy Hook, the Chattanooga Marine Recruiting Office, and now this. This really hit home because I have a kid the same age. As a society, we have to start breaking down barriers and discussing this issue. What we are doing now isn't working. We are the only country in the world (first world) where this happens regularly. We are better than this.
I'm sure this may get this thread kicked to the political board - but, I'm more convinced that weapons like the AR15 should not be circulating easy enough for a 19 year old kid with noted mental issues to get a hold of a killing machine, smoke grenades, and enough ammo to make Rambo look like a wimp. We have to do better than this.
The kid had been looked at by the FBI and they did nothing, yet again. That kid didn't just walk in and buy an AR15 legally. Laws were broken again. Making more laws will not prevent them from being broken. I can build an AR15 in a week if I want to. So even if you ban them, I can still build them. So can anyone with access to the internet and a half decent ability.
This is another example of a mentally screwed up, troubled kid. His mother died a few months ago and that probably made it worse. It's a mental health issue, more than a gun issue. If the FBI investigates you for this crap, you should be forced to counseling at a minimum. These sick SOBs have to be identified and helped or removed from situations where they can harm others.
We just thought there was such thing as a home field advantage before.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
It can't be both?....sigh....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Nope. We aren’t enforcing the laws. Name is h number of sick SOBs and criminals that care about the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I'm not kicking it to the Political Board because I WANT PEOPLE to read what you said.. But I'm locking it down.
If anyone wants to discuss yesterdays events and guns... there is a lively thread going on the political board