Where Things Stand Currently

So with Durkin staying at Auburn now where do we pivot to now?

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Originally Posted by Tater

State hasn't made a serious run at him. So when you inevitably end up disappointed remember that the rumor about us going after him came from OM 247. Somehow we trust them on our searches when you can't even trust them on their own searches. Insanity.

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Sounds right.

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Originally Posted by Chuck3124

So with Durkin staying at Auburn now where do we pivot to now?

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There is no pivot. That imply's we were in negotiations and now have to go back to the drawing board. Durkin was nothing more that message board fodder and he has been negotiating with Auburn.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

That is my concern. All the good ones taken by the new head coaches. Then we get down to a limited pool that may not be any better than Hutzler, and??.

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Would be difficult to hire a less qualified DC candidate than Hutzler, a former ST/LB coach from bama. Would be like hiring a former career RB coach(College and NFL), from bama to be our HC! Wait, never mind!****

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

There is no pivot. That imply's we were in negotiations and now have to go back to the drawing board. Durkin was nothing more that message board fodder and he has been negotiating with Auburn.

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Exactly. Saying pivot means you bought the lie @ Chuck, are you dumb? If not, then why did you buy the most obvious PR spin attempt by OM hook line and sinker.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Exactly. Saying pivot means you bought the lie @ Chuck, are you dumb? If not, then why did you buy the most obvious PR spin attempt by OM hook line and sinker.

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Glad we were hearing the same thing. I was really confused last night where everyone was getting that it was a done deal. Had 3-4 texts saying we were pretty far down the road and the only thing I ever heard was that Chase Parham and Chuck Rounsaville were saying that the Womack commitment meant Durkin was coming, which like I said, it never did.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Glad we were hearing the same thing. I was really confused last night where everyone was getting that it was a done deal. Had 3-4 texts saying we were pretty far down the road and the only thing I ever heard was that Chase Parham and Chuck Rounsaville were saying that the Womack commitment meant Durkin was coming, which like I said, it never did.

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All I ever heard. Well I also heard without hearing cause usually once it's leaked elsewhere people feel a little more comfortable. Folks being pretty adamant we hadn't had communication with him made me believe they knew it was bullshit and they know another name is in target; however, the all clear hasn't been given to share it yet. Tight lipped ship.

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Originally Posted by Tater

All I ever heard. Well I also heard without hearing cause usually once it's leaked elsewhere people feel a little more comfortable. Folks being pretty adamant we hadn't had communication with him made me believe they knew it was bullshit and they know another name is in target; however, the all clear hasn't been given to share it yet. Tight lipped ship.

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Same. I think we've got 1-2 main targets. I've been told 5-6 names but none with any level of confidence that it's close to getting done.

I appreciate you guys keeping your lips sealed. As much as I want to do research on potential candidates I would hate for a ship to sink. Looking forward to an upgrade... prayerfully.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I appreciate you guys keeping your lips sealed. As much as I want to do research on potential candidates I would hate for a ship to sink. Looking forward to an upgrade... prayerfully.

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I posted in the other thread last night that I have it on pretty good authority that we are pursuing both Pry and Wilcox. Will we get either one of them? I have no clue. But we have the money to get either. I can say that with 100% confidence.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I posted in the other thread last night that I have it on pretty good authority that we are pursuing both Pry and Wilcox. Will we get either one of them? I have no clue. But we have the money to get either. I can say that with 100% confidence.

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What happened to Muschamp?

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

What happened to Muschamp?

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Nothing, he doesn't want to get back in full time and I can't blame him. We need to go to another direction anyway.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Nothing, he doesn't want to get back in full time and I can't blame him. We need to go to another direction anyway.

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Thats fine but I would love to have him in the building. Personally I lean hiring a former HC for the role just for the mentorship to Lebby. Especially one whos been fired as backwards as that sounds

Lebby just stated that changes will be made over the next 7 to 10 days.

Also.. I still have not seen Hutzler with a post on social media.

Getting Womack alone should be enough to say something. Unless..................

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Lebby just stated that changes will be made over the next 7 to 10 days.

Also.. I still have not seen Hutzler with a post on social media.

Getting Womack alone should be enough to say something. Unless..................

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All I know is that we are going to make changes and it not insignificant. This thing is being handled as quietly as a church mouse, which is a good thing. We don't need a leaky building that is a killer.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

All I know is that we are going to make changes and it not insignificant. This thing is being handled as quietly as a church mouse, which is a good thing. We don't need a leaky building that is a killer.

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All I know is that when a DC that can not comment on a 5 star defensive player signing is no DC.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

All I know is that when a DC that can not comment on a 5 star defensive player signing is no DC.

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Coleman wasn't really big in recruiting Bralan. Barnes was instrumental and Lebby did a lot of heavy lifting as well. I don't know that Hutzler not commenting is as big a deal as some of making it.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Coleman wasn't really big in recruiting Bralan. Barnes was instrumental and Lebby did a lot of heavy lifting as well. I don't know that Hutzler not commenting is as big a deal as some of making it.

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FWIW though, no tweets since 10/24. Not sure if that's significant or not.

Jeff Lebby said that he expects some staff changes in the next 7-10 days.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Coleman wasn't really big in recruiting Bralan. Barnes was instrumental and Lebby did a lot of heavy lifting as well. I don't know that Hutzler not commenting is as big a deal as some of making it.

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Oh it's a big deal. He is on staff, that should be a requirement. A person over the complete defense has to make comments. It comes with the job.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Jeff Lebby said that he expects some staff changes in the next 7-10 days.

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That?s sweet of him. How about making the one major change that everybody including DAK, the Bulldog, knows HAS to happen! I?ll go out on a limb here and say I don?t believe Hutzler being our DC had anything to do with the positive recruiting haul.

Also, I would love to have Kendall Briles helping with the offense but if things go south there, can Lebby fire his BIL if he is struggling to demote or fire his little buddy.

https://x.com/KamarioTaylor/status/1...199106664?s=20

KT all in on Lebby!

This is hilarious

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Would be difficult to hire a less qualified DC candidate than Hutzler, a former ST/LB coach from bama. Would be like hiring a former career RB coach(College and NFL), from bama to be our HC! Wait, never mind!****

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That one?s gonna leave a mark......ouch!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by KB21

This, and I hope Jeff Lebby never gets rid of this mindset. Analytics helps you make decisions that can win you the game. Conventional wisdom helps you make decisions that won't lose you the game.

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We lost at least 3 egg bowls like this. I guess stalling a drive settling for a FG or attempt is called conventional wisdom. I have also seen more DOG big games lost going to a prevent defense with time on the clock......or maybe I just remember them more because they hurt so badly.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

That?s sweet of him. How about making the one major change that everybody including DAK, the Bulldog, knows HAS to happen! I?ll go out on a limb here and say I don?t believe Hutzler being our DC had anything to do with the positive recruiting haul.

Also, I would love to have Kendall Briles helping with the offense but if things go south there, can Lebby fire his BIL if he is struggling to demote or fire his little buddy.

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I think Lebby might not want to take away from NSD. Good planning on MSU's part. We get our haul of recruits including Braden Womack. Now everyone is excited.

Next week he reveals the new staff. Every MSU fan is then excited next week.

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Originally Posted by Chuck3124

So with Durkin staying at Auburn now where do we pivot to now?

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It's not a pivot when we were never getting him to begin with

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Originally Posted by 1eyedog

We lost at least 3 egg bowls like this. I guess stalling a drive settling for a FG or attempt is called conventional wisdom. I have also seen more DOG big games lost going to a prevent defense with time on the clock......or maybe I just remember them more because they hurt so badly.

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I can assure at the very least Kevin Barbay was not using analytics with that garbage offense he ran.

Even when you use analytics your team still has to execute. That's where the talent element comes in. Fans in general want to make it cut and dried where analytics always has the "right" answer. The reality is analytics are basically the odds of a play working or not. If we go for it on 4th down and there is an 85% chance we convert the right answer is to go for it. But there is still a 15% chance in this example that the play still won't work.

I can't remember any moment in the Egg Bowl off the top of my head where I thought gee that's a bad decision.

And hell, our fans complain about analytics and decision making and we still have fans that think you set up the deep pass by establishing the run. And that all we ran were 3 man fronts all year with no pressure.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I can assure at the very least Kevin Barbay was not using analytics with that garbage offense he ran.

Even when you use analytics your team still has to execute. That's where the talent element comes in. Fans in general want to make it cut and dried where analytics always has the "right" answer. The reality is analytics are basically the odds of a play working or not. If we go for it on 4th down and there is an 85% chance we convert the right answer is to go for it. But there is still a 15% chance in this example that the play still won't work.

I can't remember any moment off the top of my head where I thought gee that's a bad decision.

And hell, our fans complain about analytics and decision making and we still have fans that think you set up the deep pass by establishing the run. And that all we ran were 3 man fronts all year with no pressure.

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100% truth. It's like the people Blaming a HC for not being able to recruit at a high level with no NIL. It's his fault, after all he is the HC right. Foolishness.

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It has been a good day Tater. Let?s leave it at that.