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12-13-2022, 11:51 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Dave Bartoo just reminded Chuck Oliver that Zack Arnett?s defense ranked 71st this year. He said Arnett is not a HC and should not be the permanent HC. He said MSU needs to hire a guy who is either a current head coach or who has been a Head Coach in D1 before.

Bartoo can stick his Matrix up his crack.
12-13-2022, 11:54 AM
Santiago

If Benko as AD, he has already hired Helton at Ga Southern. Is Helton's brother the HC at Western KY, and runs the air raid? I am just talking out loud here.
12-13-2022, 12:19 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Bartoo can stick his Matrix up his crack.

Anyone that thinks we had a bad defense last year did not watch our games.

Our defense carried our team and Arnett shut down some solid offenses all year.

I'm not saying I want him as the next HC, but down playing what he did last year is just bullshit.
12-13-2022, 12:30 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Anyone that thinks we had a bad defense last year did not watch our games.

Our defense carried our team and Arnett shut down some solid offenses all year.

I'm not saying I want him as the next HC, but down playing what he did last year is just bullshit.

Agree. A lot of bend but don't break, but they were solid.
12-13-2022, 12:31 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Agree. A lot of bend but don't break, but they were solid.

Arnett ate Lane's lunch the entire game.
12-13-2022, 12:32 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Dave Bartoo just reminded Chuck Oliver that Zack Arnett?s defense ranked 71st this year. He said Arnett is not a HC and should not be the permanent HC. He said MSU needs to hire a guy who is either a current head coach or who has been a Head Coach in D1 before.

Bartoo isn't making the hire. So who cares what he thinks or says.
12-13-2022, 12:33 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Santiago

If Benko as AD, he has already hired Helton at Ga Southern. Is Helton's brother the HC at Western KY, and runs the air raid? I am just talking out loud here.

That's an interesting choice. WKU has lit up the stats. 4400 passing yards and 1800 rushing this year
12-13-2022, 12:35 PM
RocketDawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Dykes is realistic. The only challenge is the playoff expansion. He'll have a shoe in yearly in that conference.

Sonny Dykes is currently in the playoffs and could possilby win the NC. I think he'll be a hard get at any salary. He currently makes $6M at TCU but he'll almost certainly get a big raise just for being in the final 4. That said, give him a shot. It doesn't cost anything to ask and negotiate.
12-13-2022, 12:35 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Arnett ate Lane's lunch the entire game.

Absolutely. Especially in the red zone.
12-13-2022, 12:41 PM
yjnkdawg

Ross Dellenger says AD search has been paused.

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/st...CzrbGm9r0sAAAA
12-13-2022, 12:42 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by msstate7

See that's what I don't want... if Zach is our guy, then we have to trust him. Him saying I would rather run whatever than air raid shouldn't change whether he's our guy or not.

It absolutely has to play into it. A coaching hire is a crap shoot regardless. Even if you feel good about Arnett, there's no way you can justify feeling so good about him that you're ready to go on a two year rebuild, minimum, on offense. If Nick Saban says he wants to take our job tomorrow and run a power spread, sure, pull the trigger. If Gus Malzahn wants to come run his version of the spread, you maybe say yes; you definitely want to hear his plans for QB next year. If you have a promising but relatively inexperienced coordinator saying he wants to tear down and rebuild the offensive side of the ball, and you have other promising but relatively inexperienced coordinators saying they want to build on what we have on both sides of the ball, you don't pick the one that wants to tear it down, because even if you think he's the better candidate, there is no way to be sure enough in that assessment to decide to tear it down.

If we were already in a rebuild situation, that's a different situation. Had we been hiring at a normal time, I'm not sure we'd have been willing to bite the bullet with Leach. Cohen probably would have, but an AD less committed to being unconventional might would have decided we could fix the culture problem without having to turnover the roster and that we had some good pieces to build on.
12-13-2022, 12:44 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Ross Dellenger says AD search has been paused.

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/st...CzrbGm9r0sAAAA

I'm fine with waiting a few days, but I don't want us waiting till after the holidays
12-13-2022, 12:46 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Ross Dellenger says AD search has been paused.

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/st...CzrbGm9r0sAAAA

Unfortunately, this is all just terrible timing for MSU football.
12-13-2022, 12:49 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm fine with waiting a few days, but I don't want us waiting till after the holidays

Could be Keenum is going to make the HC call prior to an AD hire.
12-13-2022, 12:52 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Arnett will be the interim through the Bowl, then we'll do a search. Obviously it sucks having to make a coaching change in these circumstances, but you HAVE to do your due diligence. That's why we have an President and administration; to be adults and make tough decisions. Ideally we'd hire an AD in the next week or so, that way we can have that person's vision aid Keenum in the process, but I guess we'll see.

We may end up hiring Arnett, but you have to at least look around. I'd think the absolute worst thing we could do to honor Mike's legacy and memory is to make an emotionally hasty hire that ruins the foundation he left us.

My 2 cents.

Couldn?t have said it better
12-13-2022, 12:55 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Could be Keenum is going to make the HC call prior to an AD hire.

May be. He would know more about what best fits MSU than anyone they will bring in as AD, especially if we are going to find someone similar to Coach Leach, which I think we almost have to do.
12-13-2022, 01:02 PM
Extendedcab

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Sonny Dykes is currently in the playoffs and could possilby win the NC. I think he'll be a hard get at any salary. He currently makes $6M at TCU but he'll almost certainly get a big raise just for being in the final 4. That said, give him a shot. It doesn't cost anything to ask and negotiate.

I like your way of thinking - it never hurts to ask! Be proactive, dictate the narrative and not be on the defensive.
12-13-2022, 01:02 PM
Cooterpoot

My opinion: Arnett will be the next coach. I believe they've been working to find an offensive coordinator already. I think there will be a couple staff changes & we'll move forward. I would expect a low-end contract with a low-end buyout to cover our asses.
As a State fan and Arnett fan, I think it's the only logical path due to the circumstances.
12-13-2022, 01:05 PM
ImissCityBagel

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

The guy has failed as Head Coach everywhere he's been despite having some of the best QB's to manage. He shouldn't even be in the discussion.

Where has he failed? Especially in the QB development aspect.
12-13-2022, 01:06 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

May be. He would know more about what best fits MSU than anyone they will bring in as AD, especially if we are going to find someone similar to Coach Leach, which I think we almost have to do.

Our players and recruits don't care who the AD is but they do want to know and need to know who their coaches will be, sooner rather than later.

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