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11-15-2013, 03:32 PM
HancockCountyDog

At the end of the day Mullen's best team was the 2010 team; It was his best team because the defense had 7-8 NFL players on it. We won't have that much talent on our defense or offense every year. He has to figure out how to get to 8-9 wins without all of that talent - or he has to get that type of talent to Starkville.

It can be done, the current team is talented, but the bone headed decisions have to stop;
11-15-2013, 03:35 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

I thought one of the most interesting comments in this thread was that Croom had 10 SEC wins in 5 years, Mullen has 14 (with 3 more games this year).

Croom's 10 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 57-66 record (.463)

Mullen's 14 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 65-105 record (.382): includes UK's 2-7 record so far this year.

UK and OM account for EIGHT of Mullen's 14 wins. Basically the difference between the two right now is that Mullen has been able to beat OM and UK (Croom only won 4 vs. those two)....and they sucked just as hard - losing records for UK in 04 and 05, OM in 04, 05, 06, 07. Plus Mullen has been able to beat non-conference patsies that we should have been beating all along....including 5 FCS teams.

+1

I don't see how someone like Goat can look past this. Then again, im pretty sure he is bi-polar so give him a week and he will probably be agreeing with us.

I didn't realize how big the difference was in the SEC wins, but this is extremely telling. Ignoring the level of competition that our coach was able to defeat would be like what the bears did with Nutt. They ignored the fact that LSU in 08-09 was downright average (8-8) SEC record during those years, and just focused on the record. What happened next was the 2010 and 2011 seasons;
11-15-2013, 03:35 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

I thought one of the most interesting comments in this thread was that Croom had 10 SEC wins in 5 years, Mullen has 14 (with 3 more games this year).

Croom's 10 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 57-66 record (.463)

Mullen's 14 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 65-105 record (.382): includes UK's 2-7 record so far this year.

UK and OM account for EIGHT of Mullen's 14 wins. Basically the difference between the two right now is that Mullen has been able to beat OM and UK (Croom only won 4 vs. those two)....and they sucked just as hard - losing records for UK in 04 and 05, OM in 04, 05, 06, 07. Plus Mullen has been able to beat non-conference patsies that we should have been beating all along....including 5 FCS teams.

UK was a bowl team a few times during Croom's years.
11-15-2013, 03:37 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

At the end of the day Mullen's best team was the 2010 team; It was his best team because the defense had 7-8 NFL players on it. We won't have that much talent on our defense or offense every year. He has to figure out how to get to 8-9 wins without all of that talent - or he has to get that type of talent to Starkville.

It can be done, the current team is talented, but the bone headed decisions have to stop;

Mullen also had the best pair of corners in college football last year and only beat one team with a winning record (MTSU).
11-15-2013, 03:39 PM
Madisonmd

One of the Foundation members said Mullen would be back next year. He said buyout money is a real issue at this time and he is one that they would call.
11-15-2013, 03:40 PM
jimbo352

5 seasons in... 6th season coming more than likely, and we're talking about 6 wins with that schedule...?

I hate to break this to some of you... It doesn't take 6 years to build a program... If he hasn't done it by now, he won't ever do it IMO... I'm not saying Mullen can't make us a 6 or 7 win team on a regular basis, but that's not good enough for me long term.

I see both sides of the story here... On one hand, you look bad if you fire a coach has has done better than most coaches have here... I can somewhat understand the mindset of giving him a chance to turn things around... On the other hand... Why is he having to turn things around in years 5 and 6...? Why is our recruiting so blah in year 5/6...? Shouldn't Mullen have great relationships with these kids considering how bad TSUN was for those 2 years(these kids now were sophomores)...?

All this talk about never being able to keep or find a coach if we fire a decent one for a bad year is nonsense... You can get just about anyone to coach for the right $... Period... There isn't an OC from most major schools, or a HC from CUSA/Sunbelt/Mac in the country that would turn down an SEC gig, and that's where we find our coaches anyway... GTFO with all that nonsense... On top of all that... What coach goes into a job thinking he could fail, and fears job security... That's right, coaches who aren't worth a shit(or don't believe in their ability)... If we get turned down by a coach, because he thinks 5 years isn't long enough to build a program, we don't want him anyway...

It comes down to this... The AD is suppose to do what is best for our MSU in Athletics, regardless of what the media says(or even what our fans say)... If He's keeping Mullen because he thinks it best, so be it, but he will pay the consequences.... If he's keeping Mullen because we may or may not be able to attract a coach here, because those coaches fear being fired 6 years down the road... He should quit his ****ing job right now, because he isn't doing it right... Any AD worth a shit would have a short list of coaches ready RIGHT NOW... He should have already contacted people about interest levels, to make sure the list is possible...

I just rambled, but I don't care... **** it, I'm going live...
11-15-2013, 04:02 PM
Eric Nies Grind Time

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbo352

5 seasons in... 6th season coming more than likely, and we're talking about 6 wins with that schedule...?

I hate to break this to some of you... It doesn't take 6 years to build a program... If he hasn't done it by now, he won't ever do it IMO... I'm not saying Mullen can't make us a 6 or 7 win team on a regular basis, but that's not good enough for me long term.

Yeah it basically boils down to will Mullen go to a bowl game next year? Yes...he will probably win 7 games or so next year and we will go bowling.

But...could pretty much any coach we would be able to hire go to a bowl game next year with that schedule? Yes. And maybe even better. I would like to risk it.
11-15-2013, 04:02 PM
CadaverDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

I thought one of the most interesting comments in this thread was that Croom had 10 SEC wins in 5 years, Mullen has 14 (with 3 more games this year).

Croom's 10 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 57-66 record (.463)

Mullen's 14 SEC wins were against teams that had a combined 65-105 record (.382): includes UK's 2-7 record so far this year.

UK and OM account for EIGHT of Mullen's 14 wins. Basically the difference between the two right now is that Mullen has been able to beat OM and UK (Croom only won 4 vs. those two)....and they sucked just as hard - losing records for UK in 04 and 05, OM in 04, 05, 06, 07. Plus Mullen has been able to beat non-conference patsies that we should have been beating all along....including 5 FCS teams.

Damn, reading that makes it even more pathetic than I already thought it was. Thanks for the numbers Croom Diaries
11-15-2013, 04:04 PM
The Croom Diaries

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

UK was a bowl team a few times during Croom's years.

UK and OM during Croom years: 4 bowl games in 10 combined seasons (3 UK, 1 OM).

UK and OM during Mullen years: 5 bowl games in 10 combined seasons (2 UK, 3 OM).
11-15-2013, 04:05 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Madisonmd

One of the Foundation members said Mullen would be back next year. He said buyout money is a real issue at this time and he is one that they would call.

I'm sure it would be...5MM or so is nothing to sneeze at
11-15-2013, 04:08 PM
Eric Nies Grind Time

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Damn, reading that makes it even more pathetic than I already thought it was. Thanks for the numbers Croom Diaries

And at least Croom's recruiting got better as he went on.
11-15-2013, 04:12 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

And at least Croom's recruiting got better as he went on.

True
11-15-2013, 04:13 PM
C222

Thats the message being put out there so when Dan leaves for another school at the end of the year it won't look like we forced him out and that we had intentions of bringing him back.
11-15-2013, 04:16 PM
Bully13

are you looking for equal outcomes or equal opportunity?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Until the SEC or NCAA does something about the huge revenue disparity, averaging an 8-4 season is not realistic.

have you forgotten the recent upsets by ole miss and vanderbilt? were there not huge revenue disparites between bama and MSU when sherill kicked bama's ass 3 out of 4 years ? how did croom beat bama?

these big revenue guys got there by DEDICATING themselves to winning and not whining

the low revenue teams in this conference get HUGE wealth re-distribution money from the big guys... we benefit HUGELY.... asking for more is just bellyaching

while at Tech, tubberville tried to tell the big 12 to do revenue sharing like the SEC if they wanted the conference to survive...believe me, if you want to see something much worse, check out what it would be like if we were in another conference... the SEC is VERY friendly to the lower tiered teams when it comes to revenue sharing

sit back and watch ky, VU, upig and ole miss do the right thing and bypass us because they are committed while we sit back and whine....

let's go ahead and turn another player into the SEC for asking for money while were at it since that worked out so damn good before

let's look at our own damned faces in the mirror before we start bitching about other people's money for a second and maybe we can make some progress

on average, private school students get 4 X the education as a public school student and the govt spends 4 X the money on each student compared to what parents spend on a private school student but the private school student graduates and is ready for the IVY league while the public school student can't fill out a job application despite the fact that his/her education cost 4 X more.....

bottom line: money is not always the answers to failure; dedication to improvement and hard work is
11-15-2013, 04:23 PM
The Croom Diaries

If Mullen doesn't beat Bama tomorrow his record vs. FBS teams would be 28-29.
11-15-2013, 04:28 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

You really think 8-10 wins per year is realistic? That means never going below .500 in the SEC.

4-0 Non-conference.

4-4 in the SEC.

That's 8 wins, and bowl is typically a toss up as far as whether we win or lose.

So, yes- as long as we don't try to get brownie points for the most difficult schedule in America every year, we can do that.
11-15-2013, 04:32 PM
CadaverDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

4-0 Non-conference.

4-4 in the SEC.

That's 8 wins, and bowl is typically a toss up as far as whether we win or lose.

So, yes- as long as we don't try to get brownie points for the most difficult schedule in America every year, we can do that.

I agree. And I am perfectly fine with occasionally having a 7-5 record and a bowl win to achieve that 8th. So that means we could go 4-0 OOC and 3-5 in the SEC and win a bowl occasionally. It's not like we are asking for 11-2 after a bowl game....we're asking for .500 or even a game below .500 in the SEC, and 4 wins over lesser opponents. If that is "asking for too much", then we have some serious issues.
11-15-2013, 04:41 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I agree. And I am perfectly fine with occasionally having a 7-5 record and a bowl win to achieve that 8th. So that means we could go 4-0 OOC and 3-5 in the SEC and win a bowl occasionally. It's not like we are asking for 11-2 after a bowl game....we're asking for .500 or even a game below .500 in the SEC, and 4 wins over lesser opponents. If that is "asking for too much", then we have some serious issues.

That is too much for our program. We are not going to average 8 wins under any coach. Especially when we are playing 5 Top 15 teams per season. For all the dick sucking Freezus gets, he has a legit chance to finish 3-5 in the SEC this year and 7-5 overall

Can we win 8-9 games at times? Absolutely. But to average 8 wins over 4-5 year period? No ****ing way. Not at Miss State
11-15-2013, 04:49 PM
CadaverDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

That is too much for our program. We are not going to average 8 wins under any coach. Especially when we are playing 5 Top 15 teams per season. For all the dick sucking Freezus gets, he has a legit chance to finish 3-5 in the SEC this year and 7-5 overall

Can we win 8-9 games at times? Absolutely. But to average 8 wins over 4-5 year period? No ****ing way. Not at Miss State

I just said 7-5 was acceptable. And why is it "no ****ing way"? Why can't we beat JSU, Troy, UAB, MTSU every year, plus 4 of the following Kentucky, Vandy, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Auburn, A&M, LSU?

We beat UK, you say we should easily beat Arkansas, and you think we will beat Ole miss. Ole miss beat Vandy and LSU and you think we are as good as Ole miss. So why can't we win 4 SEC games per year? This goes against everything you've been saying.

I'm not saying we HAVE to win 8....but shooting for 7-8 each year is not "asking for too much". Unless we're a bunch of woe is us pussies, which I'm beginning to think a majority of our fans are.
11-15-2013, 04:54 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

That is too much for our program. We are not going to average 8 wins under any coach. Especially when we are playing 5 Top 15 teams per season. For all the dick sucking Freezus gets, he has a legit chance to finish 3-5 in the SEC this year and 7-5 overall

Can we win 8-9 games at times? Absolutely. But to average 8 wins over 4-5 year period? No ****ing way. Not at Miss State

If we play Oklahoma State every year, then no it's not.

But we can beat Jackson State, Tulane, South Alabama and Middle Tennessee State every year.

We can beat Kentucky, Arkansas and Ole Miss this year. Pull off an upset- even a mild one like Auburn or Texas A&M and there's 4-4. And then win the bowl. Even without the upset, that's 8-5.

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