Favorite to land Tommy Stevens

This is merely a hunch, but I get the feeling that maybe KT is a crappy practice player that hits a higher level on Saturday's when the lights are on. That said even then he's a mixed bag QB that is going to oscillate between big plays and plays that just make you scratch your head. Some coaches can live what that type of guy and some coaches it drives utterly insane.

The Louisville and SFU games gave me enough hope that against most teams we'll move the ball with KT and create some big plays. But then that 3Q of the SFU games shows the downside as well.

I think most fans are totally fine with KT being our QB next year, but nobody raved about him in the spring and a lot of fans just are really fearful that our offense will be another train wreck without a QB that can make consistent good passes. At this point if up to Joe if he even wants to pursue and than it's up to TS to even want to take a risk that KT beats him out vs going to one of the other school mentioned where it be really surprising if he wasn't the starter. If Joe pursues Stevens it's clearly not to bring more competition to the position, it's to have him run the show next year.

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

Congrats on the flag football championship. Hopefully Cohen sees the error in his ways and names you head coach at MSU.***

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I?m not one to take up for 34 but in his defense he almost took a team to the playoffs in his first year as a HC. First time in 10 years they had a winning season. This past year as OC his team won there region. I wouldn?t criticize his trophy case

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

This is merely a hunch, but I get the feeling that maybe KT is a crappy practice player that hits a higher level on Saturday's when the lights are on. That said even then he's a mixed bag QB that is going to oscillate between big plays and plays that just make you scratch your head. Some coaches can live what that type of guy and some coaches it drives utterly insane.

The Louisville and SFU games gave me enough hope that against most teams we'll move the ball with KT and create some big plays. But then that 3Q of the SFU games shows the downside as well.

I think most fans are totally fine with KT being our QB next year, but nobody raved about him in the spring and a lot of fans just are really fearful that our offense will be another train wreck without a QB that can make consistent good passes. At this point if up to Joe if he even wants to pursue and than it's up to TS to even want to take a risk that KT beats him out vs going to one of the other school mentioned where it be really surprising if he wasn't the starter. If Joe pursues Stevens it's clearly not to bring more competition to the position, it's to have him run the show next year.

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I don't understand the nitpicking of Keytaon's 3rd quarter vs SFU. It was 35-3 going into the 3rd and 49-6 after it including a 30 yard td pass from him. Criticizing KT during that game is like criticizing our pitcher in baseball for walking 3 guys when it's 19-2. It's absolutely absurd to be giving Keytaon shit for missing a couple throws when the game is 49-6. Dak missed throws ALL THE TIME.

Oh and this response really isn't directed at you Irondawg, everyone gives KT shit for that game vs SFA. A game he won 63-6.

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

Tommy must be good.....we have powerhouses such as Illinois, Florida Atlantic, Western Kentucky and yes...Bowling f*****G Green vying for his services.....SMH

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If that's true he should be a lock to come here.

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

This is merely a hunch, but I get the feeling that maybe KT is a crappy practice player that hits a higher level on Saturday's when the lights are on. That said even then he's a mixed bag QB that is going to oscillate between big plays and plays that just make you scratch your head. Some coaches can live what that type of guy and some coaches it drives utterly insane.

The Louisville and SFU games gave me enough hope that against most teams we'll move the ball with KT and create some big plays. But then that 3Q of the SFU games shows the downside as well.

I think most fans are totally fine with KT being our QB next year, but nobody raved about him in the spring and a lot of fans just are really fearful that our offense will be another train wreck without a QB that can make consistent good passes. At this point if up to Joe if he even wants to pursue and than it's up to TS to even want to take a risk that KT beats him out vs going to one of the other school mentioned where it be really surprising if he wasn't the starter. If Joe pursues Stevens it's clearly not to bring more competition to the position, it's to have him run the show next year.

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KT got the benefit of scrub duty as a true freshman and a good chunk of the egg bowl and the Gator Bowl, but he's still basically the equivalent of a RS Sophomore now and was the equivalent of a RS freshman last year. Most guys aren't good quarterbacks as a RS freshman and will struggle as a RS sophomore. Dak ended up good by the end of his RS Sophomore year, but he also had some growing pains during the year (granted he had more on his plate outside of football than any college kid should have to deal with). What really sucks for KT is that he wasn't red shirted last year, when we really could have as far as meaningful snaps go. Playing as a true freshman and a true sophomore wasn't in KT's best interest, so it would be nice if it worked out for him at State. I feel like this conversation would be a lot different if he were a RS sophomore and looking to compete with playing time with a transfer this year. It's functionally not much different with the 4 game rule for RSing, as he can RS this year while still getting some playing time, with the exception that if he insn't held out until the last three games, there's always the chance an injury could force him to burn his RS. But still feels like it would be a more bitter pill to swallow to have to redshirt this year rather than last year.

Give keyce a chance

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Not a fan of posters bringing up everyday job/personal info type shit for insults. Nobody talks about how you suck as a gynocologist and you butchered Becky's junk that one time so you shouldn't diss on others for what they do for a living. Moorhead has made a LOT of questionable decisions in the last year that absolutely deserve criticism from the fans. Give me $3 mill a year and you can question what I do all day long. I won't care then and I don't care now.

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NOPE! Joe Moorhead came to MS St to take us past what we were. We hired him for HIS offense.... not Dan Mullen's. We didn't hire him to be a clone.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

I?m not one to take up for 34 but in his defense he almost took a team to the playoffs in his first year as a HC. First time in 10 years they had a winning season. This past year as OC his team won there region. I wouldn?t criticize his trophy case

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Wait .... what?

We can only criticize one coach and that's Moorhead? Coach34 can't be criticized? Did he win the State title? Did his team place in the top 10 in the nation?


It is football right?


See my point?

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Wait .... what?

We can only criticize one coach and that's Moorhead? Coach34 can't be criticized? Did he win the State title? Did his team place in the top 10 in the nation?


It is football right?


See my point?

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C34 using his "coaching" success as any benchmark in a discussion of Moorhead is like the Bank Teller thinking they know more than the CEO.

They don't. That's why one has climbed the ladder of their chosen career and the other hasn't

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't understand the nitpicking of Keytaon's 3rd quarter vs SFU. It was 35-3 going into the 3rd and 49-6 after it including a 30 yard td pass from him. Criticizing KT during that game is like criticizing our pitcher in baseball for walking 3 guys when it's 19-2. It's absolutely absurd to be giving Keytaon shit for missing a couple throws when the game is 49-6. Dak missed throws ALL THE TIME.

Oh and this response really isn't directed at you Irondawg, everyone gives KT shit for that game vs SFA. A game he won 63-6.

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No, I get you - that's just a game where he looked really really good at times and then awful for other parts. That 3Q the first few series he was really bad against a bad defense. You're right though that Dak look awful at times as well when he was younger and all college QB's have bad stretches.

In the end this all comes down to our HC/OC and what he thinks and what he likes and if he does land TS we have to hope he's making the right call.

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

C34 using his "coaching" success as any benchmark in a discussion of Moorhead is like the Bank Teller thinking they know more than the CEO.

They don't. That's why one has climbed the ladder of their chosen career and the other hasn't

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I know football and anybody that knows me will tell you that. Running the power read is running the power read- whether its in the SEC or in 5A football on a Friday night. Inside Zone is inside zone. Etc. Only in HS we cant pick who we want. My successor at my previous job went 0-10 this past season. Make of that what you will.

Good coaches adapt to their talent or they end up getting fired. Thats the bottom line. Saban has adapted over the years- and became the best coach in football. Les Miles had the same talent Saban did- but didnt adapt offensively- wasting numerous NFL quality WR's in Baton Rouge. He got fired eventually. Moorhead did a poor job of it in 2018- anybody that can't see it or won't admit it is just stupid. We'll see what 2019 holds.

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

C34 using his "coaching" success as any benchmark in a discussion of Moorhead is like the Bank Teller thinking they know more than the CEO.

They don't. That's why one has climbed the ladder of their chosen career and the other hasn't

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He didn’t. He never even brought up his head coaching record or assistant coaching failures/success. You are the one brought up his coaching as a deflection but he never did until you went personal. Which you believed he was failure and was being snarky about your 8U basketball second place trophy. At least be honest about those posts

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I know football and anybody that knows me will tell you that. Running the power read is running the power read- whether its in the SEC or in 5A football on a Friday night. Inside Zone is inside zone. Etc. Only in HS we cant pick who we want. My successor at my previous job went 0-10 this past season. Make of that what you will.

Good coaches adapt to their talent or they end up getting fired. Thats the bottom line. Saban has adapted over the years- and became the best coach in football. Les Miles had the same talent Saban did- but didnt adapt offensively- wasting numerous NFL quality WR's in Baton Rouge. He got fired eventually. Moorhead did a poor job of it in 2018- anybody that can't see it or won't admit it is just stupid. We'll see what 2019 holds.

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I would think adapting right out of the gate would be exceedingly difficult. You don't know the capability mentally or physically of who can understand your offense because you don't know the players. That's why year 1 can be so tough. Moorhead hadn't seen any of these guys try and execute his offense, so I would think it would be very difficult to ask a coach to come in, install his offense, then try and change it.

In subsequent years, it's much easier because you know who can do what and the game plan you have going in can be tailored to fit your personnel from the very beginning. I do think Moorhead should have adjusted stylistically more. But in terms of verbage and checks and reading a defense, I have to imagine it would be very hard for Moorhead to try and teach it his way (which is what we brought him in to do), then instantly have to adapt it before you even play a game. And considering there weren't any real glaring issues until Kentucky, I would think after 1/3 of the season is over might be a tad late to be able to change much.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He didn?t. He never even brought up his head coaching record or assistant coaching failures/success. You are the one brought up his coaching as a deflection but he never did until you went personal. Which you believed he was failure and was being snarky about your 8U basketball second place trophy. At least be honest about those posts

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I will be honest. Of course I brought it up. Because he first brought up what is a sign of a good coach.

So he clearly wanted to discuss how to determine what makes a good coach and what doesn't. So if he wants to discuss it, then we will. And luckily he has experience in not being able to become a high level coach.

So it all fits nicely. He wants to talk about what makes a successful coach. So we are.

C34 isn't a successful coach. Moorhead is. There are reasons for this. Moorhead knows a hell of a lot more than C34. I trust Moorhead. His is without question a better coach than C34.

But if one coach calls another, more successful coach out, then he should be prepared to be called out to. If c34 isn't man enough to handle it, well he should leave like he once promised to do

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

I would think adapting right out of the gate would be exceedingly difficult. You don't know the capability mentally or physically of who can understand your offense because you don't know the players. That's why year 1 can be so tough. Moorhead hadn't seen any of these guys try and execute his offense, so I would think it would be very difficult to ask a coach to come in, install his offense, then try and change it.

In subsequent years, it's much easier because you know who can do what and the game plan you have going in can be tailored to fit your personnel from the very beginning. I do think Moorhead should have adjusted stylistically more. But in terms of verbage and checks and reading a defense, I have to imagine it would be very hard for Moorhead to try and teach it his way (which is what we brought him in to do), then instantly have to adapt it before you even play a game. And considering there weren't any real glaring issues until Kentucky, I would think after 1/3 of the season is over might be a tad late to be able to change much.

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Not when you had the Spring to evaluate as well as the summer. They knew exactly what they had offensively 2 weeks into August. Hardheadedness resisted change- then changed vs Auburn- then went back because he couldnt stand not running his system. Croom had that type of hardheadedness. I'm not saying Moorhead is Croom- but those 2 share a human trait.

We'll see if he adapts any in 2019- because this team wont be a 35 pass per game team either

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

I will be honest. Of course I brought it up. Because he first brought up what is a sign of a good coach.

C34 isn't a successful coach.

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What do you define as successful? I have a state COY skin on my wall- which is a top award in my profession. I've never coached a team that ended up worse than the year before I came in. So I'm not really understanding the success definition here....

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

I would think adapting right out of the gate would be exceedingly difficult. You don't know the capability mentally or physically of who can understand your offense because you don't know the players. That's why year 1 can be so tough. Moorhead hadn't seen any of these guys try and execute his offense, so I would think it would be very difficult to ask a coach to come in, install his offense, then try and change it.

In subsequent years, it's much easier because you know who can do what and the game plan you have going in can be tailored to fit your personnel from the very beginning. I do think Moorhead should have adjusted stylistically more. But in terms of verbage and checks and reading a defense, I have to imagine it would be very hard for Moorhead to try and teach it his way (which is what we brought him in to do), then instantly have to adapt it before you even play a game. And considering there weren't any real glaring issues until Kentucky, I would think after 1/3 of the season is over might be a tad late to be able to change much.

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I don’t disagree there are/can be transition difficulties in the first year. But it’s not him changing is offense completely, it’s matching your offense with the personnel you have. And it’s not like we went from a triple option to a spread air raid. There was already overlap to what we have been doing previously. And it’s not like our defense hasn’t made a change the last three years with 3 different DC who separated from what we had been running from the Diaz/Wilson developed playbook prior. The defense has been pretty good the last 2 years and didn’t have “mentally incapable” players who adapted just fine

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Originally Posted by deadheaddawg

I will be honest. Of course I brought it up. Because he first brought up what is a sign of a good coach.

So he clearly wanted to discuss how to determine what makes a good coach and what doesn't. So if he wants to discuss it, then we will. And luckily he has experience in not being able to become a high level coach.

So it all fits nicely. He wants to talk about what makes a successful coach. So we are.

C34 isn't a successful coach. Moorhead is. There are reasons for this. Moorhead knows a hell of a lot more than C34. I trust Moorhead. His is without question a better coach than C34.

But if one coach calls another, more successful coach out, then he should be prepared to be called out to. If c34 isn't man enough to handle it, well he should leave like he once promised to do

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That was general statement about coaches though. Not him personally. And many coaches believe that across a lot of different levels, even when they hard times getting it implemented with their own team.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What do you define as successful? I have a state COY skin on my wall- which is a top award in my profession. I've never coached a team that ended up worse than the year before I came in. So I'm not really understanding the success definition here....

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Well you spend time Monday morning quarterbacking Moorhead.....and Moorhead doesn't give 2 shits about you and doesn't have time to waste on you. Because he's busy being a big time coach

Moorhead was able to work his way out of the entry level position and made it to one of the bigger positions in the profession.

You are still working an entry level position.

You may do a fine job as an entry level employee, but that's what you are. An entry level employee. Moorhead isn't

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What do you define as successful? I have a state COY skin on my wall- which is a top award in my profession. I've never coached a team that ended up worse than the year before I came in. So I'm not really understanding the success definition here....

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Was 2018 really that much worse than 2017? We finished one game worse, but the schedule was tougher in 2018 than 2017.

To use an objective measurement, Sagarin had State's 2018 team finish #8 with a #11 SOS. Sagarin had State's 2017 team finish #17 with a #46 SOS.