2016 MSU Football Recruiting Thread

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

To stir the pot further I found out whose the recruiter for the area...Mr. Hevvvvv. The dude can flat out play and run. He won defensive MVP trophies at corner and never played it during the season. He's THAT athletic with 4.3 40 times at every camp attended. I've watched him cover one on one's against the top talent in the country in camps and he's better than Nigel Knott hands down in coverage.

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I think Sallach handles Georgia mostly.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think Sallach handles Georgia mostly.

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I was told Hevesy comes to the school.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I was told Hevesy comes to the school

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I don't know then. That was Collins area before he left last year. He was primary on most kids in the bulk of Georgia and Alabama. Other coaches were secondary. I can't think of him being primary on many outside of the JUCO's, area around Starkville and northern LA. He was secondary on Fitz two years ago. They do have to split up stops when the primary guys have too many in an area. Maybe that's what he was doing or they switched some areas up again during the year. Sallach has been running a good bit of Georgia and parts of Florida with Gonzo.

28 I don't know what your angle is but something was striking me funny about your post about Hev. You have been on the Banks agenda months ago and brought Hev then as well. Why you are acting like you just got new info that Hev is the recruiter? Don't be sneaky trying to play it off as new info when you have been pushing this kid all along. I like Banks as well but the numbers being tight with DB's haven't changed and we have to add more to the DL than expected back then. Also, did he come to any of our camps this summer?

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Originally Posted by engie

How is it easier for Howland than it is for our football coaches? I get that Cohen has some built-in advantages. But basketball has no more advantages than our football program has in this snapshot of time. He's just been much better at selling his pedigree in order to keep building it than ANY of our football coaches have done. It's self perpetuating.

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Basketball recruiting and football recruiting are completely different.

Our recruiting is taking off in basketball thanks to Adidas. Nothing more, nothing less. Trying to say that our football coaches should be able to recruit at a high level because Howland is, just is not even close to an apples to apples comparison.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Also, did he come to any of our camps this summer?

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I have to admit, when I read this - it freaks me out. It reminds me of Polk near the end.

Who cares if a kid comes to a camp. If we are only signing kids that come to our camp, then we are screwed.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I have to admit, when I read this - it freaks me out. It reminds me of Polk near the end.

Who cares if a kid comes to a camp. If we are only signing kids that come to our camp, then we are screwed.

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We don't just sign kids who come but at the time you have to admit there were multiple athletes like Banks on the board with a tight position group. That hasn't really changed. The numbers are tight. Maybe if they want the offer so bad back then showing up to camp might have proved that he is better than what they saw on his junior film. This is all just speculation but we gave out a lot of offers without the kid ever stepping on campus. But with multiple mid 3 star types at the time I could see it being an issue. Whether they just didn't think enough of him at the time or what? I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

We don't just sign kids who come but at the time you have to admit there were multiple athletes like Banks on the board with a tight position group. That hasn't really changed. The numbers are tight. Maybe if they want the offer so bad back then showing up to camp might have proved that he is better than what they saw on his junior film. This is all just speculation but we gave out a lot of offers without the kid ever stepping on campus. But with multiple mid 3 star types at the time I could see it being an issue. Whether they just didn't think enough of him at the time or what? I don't know.

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I hear ya - but right now our two OL commits Eiland and Parker were both camp guys that got offers and Im not sure either one will see the field until year 3. Those are the only HS OL commits we have right now.

The only HS DL commits we have right now are Gooden, Porter and Spencer. We know Gooden and Porter won't be here. Im still confused on Spencer, people think he may get here, but it doesn't add up. Either way, lets say he gets here - That 3 HS DL/OL commits with a month to go before signing day and I just think the fact that we rely so much on camps for evaluation, really limits us.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I hear ya - but right now our two OL commits Eiland and Parker were both camp guys that got offers and Im not sure either one will see the field until year 3. Those are the only HS OL commits we have right now.

The only HS DL commits we have right now are Gooden, Porter and Spencer. We know Gooden and Porter won't be here. Im still confused on Spencer, people think he may get here, but it doesn't add up. Either way, lets say he gets here - That 3 HS DL/OL commits with a month to go before signing day and I just think the fact that we rely so much on camps for evaluation, really limits us.

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I understand what you are saying. Although he was close by it negates this but Lashley would have been offered straight up anyway. We offer several highly rated OL guys straight up. Same on DL. But for the guys that are questionable on the OL and DL, I really don't mind them having to come to camp. We do need to close out strong along the line to end this class.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I understand what you are saying. Although he was close by it negates this but Lashley would have been offered straight up anyway. We offer several highly rated OL guys straight up. Same on DL. But for the guys that are questionable on the OL and DL, I really don't mind them having to come to camp. We do need to close out strong along the line to end this class.

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I don't see how we don't sign at least 4 OL and 4 DL in this class. We have 6 seniors in the two deep on the DL. James, Coleman, AJ, Dale, Adams, Calvin. We need HS guys badly in this class or we will be forced to go Juco next year. As it stand we only have 6 DL on the roster that won't be seniors next year. We need bodies in the worst way.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I hear ya - but right now our two OL commits Eiland and Parker were both camp guys that got offers and Im not sure either one will see the field until year 3. Those are the only HS OL commits we have right now.

The only HS DL commits we have right now are Gooden, Porter and Spencer. We know Gooden and Porter won't be here. Im still confused on Spencer, people think he may get here, but it doesn't add up. Either way, lets say he gets here - That 3 HS DL/OL commits with a month to go before signing day and I just think the fact that we rely so much on camps for evaluation, really limits us.

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Parker wasn't a camp guy. We took him in the spring. I don't think we just solely rely on camps but if your not a no brainer kid we want to see how you react to coaching & being put in different situations. If 2 or 3 guys are even at a position why not bring them in & lets compare them side by side.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I don't see how we don't sign at least 4 OL and 4 DL in this class. We have 6 seniors in the two deep on the DL. James, Coleman, AJ, Dale, Adams, Calvin. We need HS guys badly in this class or we will be forced to go Juco next year. As it stand we only have 6 DL on the roster that won't be seniors next year. We need bodies in the worst way.

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We'll sign 4 OL & DL in this class unless there's a can't miss 5th guy on either side.

My last post about why we HAVE to recruit more out of state..
This isn't a knock on the Mississippi kids we have on the roster. Because we have some good ones and some future pros.
But when you think of the top impact players on this years team these names are on the top of that list:

Dak
Ross
Bear
Redmond
Bennie

Arguably 5 of the top 8-10 players impact players we have are all from out of state..
And I'm guessing but we probably don't have more than 20or so out of state guys on the roster.. That's a pretty good ratio..

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

We'll sign 4 OL & DL in this class unless there's a can't miss 5th guy on either side.

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We need to sign 8-10 OL / DL every year...

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Originally Posted by mic

My last post about why we HAVE to recruit more out of state..
This isn't a knock on the Mississippi kids we have on the roster. Because we have some good ones and some future pros.
But when you think of the top impact players on this years team these names are on the top of that list:

Dak
Ross
Bear
Redmond
Bennie

Arguably 5 of the top 8-10 players impact players we have are all from out of state..
And I'm guessing but we probably don't have more than 20or so out of state guys on the roster.. That's a pretty good ratio..

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It's about a 60/40 ratio on instate/out of state on the 85 man roster.

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Originally Posted by mic

My last post about why we HAVE to recruit more out of state..
This isn't a knock on the Mississippi kids we have on the roster. Because we have some good ones and some future pros.
But when you think of the top impact players on this years team these names are on the top of that list:

Dak
Ross
Bear
Redmond
Bennie

Arguably 5 of the top 8-10 players impact players we have are all from out of state..
And I'm guessing but we probably don't have more than 20or so out of state guys on the roster.. That's a pretty good ratio..

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7 of our 15 commits right now are from out of state. But some of our bigger targets are from instate and we need to pull as many of those players as we can. So it will probably be 30-40% out of state guys in the end.

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Originally Posted by mic

We need to sign 8-10 OL / DL every year...

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Those numbers are fine and we have the need but the class size has to dictate who is taken as well. This year we have to wait and see who comes back as well as who leaves the program. It could be a tight fit if everybody chooses to come back. Don't think they all do but we will know that pretty soon.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Those numbers are fine and we have the need but the class size has to dictate who is taken as well. This year we have to wait and see who comes back as well as who leaves the program. It could be a tight fit if everybody chooses to come back. Don't think they all do but we will know that pretty soon.

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Totally disagree with this approach. You take the kids in recruiting and then make/allow the numbers work out. Oversigning strengthens the roster. Right now we've got kids in their 3rd or 4th year that have no business still being on scholarship if we are going to actually compete at a higher level than we have been. We saw a lot of good attrition in early Mullen teams -- not so much lately.

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Originally Posted by engie

Totally disagree with this approach. You take the kids in recruiting and then make/allow the numbers work out. Oversigning strengthens the roster. Right now we've got kids in their 3rd or 4th year that have no business still being on scholarship if we are going to actually compete at a higher level than we have been. We saw a lot of good attrition in early Mullen teams -- not so much lately.

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I wasn't talking about those players. I mean if Chris Jones, Bear, Benni, the ones considering going pro will have an impact on this class size. I agree that it's time to start processing more players, like we did with Thomas, Walley, Carter etc already. Just this year with a small senior class the numbers are tight.

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Originally Posted by engie

Totally disagree with this approach. You take the kids in recruiting and then make/allow the numbers work out. Oversigning strengthens the roster. Right now we've got kids in their 3rd or 4th year that have no business still being on scholarship if we are going to actually compete at a higher level than we have been. We saw a lot of good attrition in early Mullen teams -- not so much lately.

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I don't think we've done bad. In the last year we've processed Shelby Christy, Jahmere Irvin-Sills, Quadry Antoine, Brandon Wells, Cole Carter, Jake Thomas, & BJ Hammond.