WOW, Mizzou's football team quits

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Originally Posted by AlmostPositive

I watched CNN and and other networks give full credence to known liars. As a consequence, millions of people believed the Hands Up, Don't Shoot lie. Their outrage was based on a deliberate fiction. You seem willing to shade the truth on this latest matter. I don't understand this tendency from the left.

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You think I'm part of 'the left'?

I would agree with you that the media is generally pretty bad nowadays. My point is not that the media is awesome; it's that in reality, they don't have that much influence. Those who enthusiastically believed the 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' narrative were mostly those already inclined to believe it and want to fight it to begin with. I do think the media can enflame already-existing beliefs and passions, but I don't really think they change opinions that much. For the most part, people find the media outlet they already agree with, so most media now is simply 'preaching to the choir'.

For example, do I think CNN is now largely a joke? Yes. Do I think it really matters? No, not really. Those who go to CNN for their news are the ones who already see things from their viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The fact that every single Missouri player (both black and white, liberal and conservative, rich and poor, etc.), every single Missouri coach (both black and white, liberal and conservative, etc.), the AD, a big chunk of the student body from all backgrounds, much of the faculty and university administration, the governor of Missouri, and prominent Missouri politicians in BOTH parties are united on this should be a clue that that isn't just a few morons having a bitchfit over nothing, shouldn't it?

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This is kind of my point on some of it, but you said it better than I did.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Thank you. Yes, this is evidence of an attempt by the Missouri administration. So we at least do have that. And after looking a little more, it appears Wolfe also met with the group as well, though it was a couple weeks after the Homecoming parade incident.

The bottom line here is, this issue is still receiving support from large sections of the Missouri students. Are they all ignorant and looking out for themselves? I find that hard to believe. Is the Missouri administration/president solely to blame? Probably not. But it seems obvious that more needs to be done, by both sides, if they both actually do want change, and they both claim they do.

Part of my issue with groups like this is that they do make such unrealistic and extreme demands right off the bat. But that just means they're less likely to have those demands met, it doesn't mean the university is forced to meet them.

Being a university president, especially at a time like this, is not easy. Wolfe signed up for it, and now it's on him to figure out a way to come to some kind of resolution. That may not be possible, but both sides need to come to the table with the intent to be realistic and actually resolve the issue. At the very least, Wolfe needs to make it clear what he has done in an attempt to resolve it. I believe that if he is sincere and honest, he will get majority support.

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These are not just students. You do understand how close Ferguson is right? This is not being carried out just by students. Where did concerned students 1950 come from? Where did they get the organization? Come on. We all know that young people like a good cause to fight authority. You did it, I did it, etc...

More needs to be done? We will never force every human in this world to like everybody else. There will always be a few idiots. At issue here, and I HOPE they have sense enough to handle it, is riots. Not because of the 2 incidences that were addressed, but because you have a few people inciting it. Those demands HAD NOTHING to do with what happened.

You know it, and I know it.

The unanimity you refer to is just as good an indication of intimidation as it is of willingly shared opinion. Sort of reminds me of North Korean election results.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The fact that every single Missouri player (both black and white, liberal and conservative, rich and poor, etc.), every single Missouri coach (both black and white, liberal and conservative, etc.), the AD, a big chunk of the student body from all backgrounds, much of the faculty and university administration, the governor of Missouri, and prominent Missouri politicians in BOTH parties are united on this should be a clue that that isn't just a few morons having a bitchfit over nothing, shouldn't it?

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Yeah... but that's not true at all.

The Mizzou team isn't as united as they tried to portray:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...actice-boycott

Derp

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Originally Posted by Coach

These are not just students. You do understand how close Ferguson is right? This is not being carried out just by students. Where did concerned students 1950 come from? Where did they get the organization? Come on. We all know that young people like a good cause to fight authority. You did it, I did it, etc...

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So then why are we up in arms about it? Because I've seen everything from 'this is akin to Mao's struggle sessions' to 'these people are just looking to advance themselves'.

If it's just something that naturally comes with a graduation into adulthood, then what, exactly, is the big deal?

Again, just because they've made 'demands' doesn't mean any of those demands will be met.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The fact that every single Missouri player (both black and white, liberal and conservative, rich and poor, etc.), every single Missouri coach (both black and white, liberal and conservative, etc.), the AD, a big chunk of the student body from all backgrounds, much of the faculty and university administration, the governor of Missouri, and prominent Missouri politicians in BOTH parties are united on this should be a clue that that isn't just a few morons having a bitchfit over nothing, shouldn't it?

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FARRRRRRRRT

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Originally Posted by smootness

Part of my issue with groups like this is that they do make such unrealistic and extreme demands right off the bat. But that just means they're less likely to have those demands met, it doesn't mean the university is forced to meet them.

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It also makes them look unreasonable and not worth taking seriously to me. I don't think anybody on here in their right mind thinks this isn't their right and while not agreeing with them could at least understand their point of view if there is a real issue at work here.

But the list of demands is just ridiculous and when it's not backed up by a series of serious incidents that are under the control of the administration it makes it all just look like a ridiculous circus show. The truth is in the end a lot of these groups create more division among people all the while of holding up a banner of equality.

I keep thinking there is more to this story, but the more that comes out the more ridiculous it all looks from the outside.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

The Mizzou team isn't as united as they tried to portray:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...actice-boycott

Derp

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Ok, then this is likely going nowhere. Again, what's the big deal? If there is widespread support, there's probably an issue there, and it has a chance to produce change. If there is not widespread support, there's probably nothing there, and it probably won't produce anything.

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Originally Posted by smootness

This is kind of my point on some of it, but you said it better than I did.

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Yeah, but it's not true.

1- Every single player and coach, and AD... Who wants a split locker room and destroyed football program? That was a PR move, plain and simple.

2- a big chunk? You have noway of knowing that. But again, Students love a great cause that stands up to authority.

3- No no.. SHOW me where "much" of the faculty..etc... An english department voted a no confidence in LOFTIN! Not the president. And loftin is the one that responded after the second issue with MANDATORY classes by faculty, students...everybody.

4- Elected officials have NOT come out for this guy to resign. They have not come out and stated these DEMANDS are great. What they have said is the PRESIDENT will work on the situation.

You way over stated everything

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

It also makes them look unreasonable and not worth taking seriously to me. I don't think anybody on here in their right mind thinks this isn't their right and while not agreeing with them could at least understand their point of view if there is a real issue at work here.

But the list of demands is just ridiculous and when it's not backed up by a series of serious incidents that are under the control of the administration it makes it all just look like a ridiculous circus show. The truth is in the end a lot of these groups create more division among people all the while of holding up a banner of equality.

I keep thinking there is more to this story, but the more that comes out the more ridiculous it all looks from the outside.

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I mostly agree...but if these are really ridiculous demands, then it's probably going nowhere. There were multiple people in this thread suggesting this was mob rule and questioning why these students got to decide whether or not the president kept his job.

The answer: they don't.

"Half the team is pissed...if we were 9-0 this wouldn't be happening."

Just count on Leftists lying about this every day. It's from the Alinsky playbook. Demonize and ridicule...the ends justify the means.

The players are NOT united... there hasn't been a "slew" of racists events. I'd bet a million dollars that at least a portion of the events are false flag incidents.

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Originally Posted by Coach

Yeah, but it's not true.

1- Every single player and coach, and AD... Who wants a split locker room and destroyed football program? That was a PR move, plain and simple.

2- a big chunk? You have noway of knowing that. But again, Students love a great cause that stands up to authority.

3- No no.. SHOW me where "much" of the faculty..etc... An english department voted a no confidence in LOFTIN! Not the president. And loftin is the one that responded after the second issue with MANDATORY classes by faculty, students...everybody.

4- Elected officials have NOT come out for this guy to resign. They have not come out and stated these DEMANDS are great. What they have said is the PRESIDENT will work on the situation.

You way over stated everything

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This is where I hide behind Quaoarsking since he's the one who actually said it haha.

Only kidding. But my main point was that their ability to actually produce results will likely be directly related to how legitimate their claims are and how much support they have.

So if they don't have as much support as portrayed, that's fine. My point still stands, and they probably won't get anything done. So I ask again, why in the world are we making this out to be mob rule and students deciding the president will be fired?

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

The Mizzou team isn't as united as they tried to portray:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...actice-boycott

Derp

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Hmmm. Well we'll see where this all goes. If the players aren't really behind this, then Pinkel and the AD are going to look really silly for saying they are.

On one hand I've been told this isn't a vote and shouldn't be dependent on how much support they have; but then I've also been told they don't have that much support, therefore their claims are illegitimate.

I'm confused.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Ok, then this is likely going nowhere. Again, what's the big deal? If there is widespread support, there's probably an issue there, and it has a chance to produce change. If there is not widespread support, there's probably nothing there, and it probably won't produce anything.

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I'll tell you why (good post in that other off-shoot of the thread, I can't argue with any of it).

The point is that this president is automatically guilty by left-leaning people, based on some demands by left-leaning voters (I think we can assume that). The assumptions being made here are mainly by the so-called liberals. Decisions are made before any evidence is put down and examined. The left-leaning media jumps the gun (proven again by them saying they are united, when they weren't) because chaos/drama sells. People's minds get influenced before the verdict is revealed, and they stay that way, even if there is an acquittal or no wrongdoing found (Darren Wilson ring a bell?). THAT is the reason people are sick of this stuff.

Can they protest? Sure. But why are people listening to this goofball crap?? The evidence isn't holding up. And why are they allowed to disturb the peace and call for people's livelihood? People like Quaorsking made up their mind long, long ago.

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Originally Posted by smootness

So then why are we up in arms about it? Because I've seen everything from 'this is akin to Mao's struggle sessions' to 'these people are just looking to advance themselves'.

If it's just something that naturally comes with a graduation into adulthood, then what, exactly, is the big deal?

Again, just because they've made 'demands' doesn't mean any of those demands will be met.

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The reason people are up in arms about it is the same reason Donald Trump leads the polls and why UK has a new GOV. At some point, people say "I have had enough". Most of this nation is at that point. I have never seen this much division in my life time.

Some times... I wish I was a kid again.. just playing with my friends.....

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Hmmm. Well we'll see where this all goes. If the players aren't really behind this, then Pinkel and the AD are going to look really silly for saying they are.

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Yep, and there will be consequences for those who tried to make demands. So the system will again work itself out. Because we live in America, not in communist China.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I mostly agree...but if these are really ridiculous demands, then it's probably going nowhere. There were multiple people in this thread suggesting this was mob rule and questioning why these students got to decide whether or not the president kept his job.

The answer: they don't.

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Let's just say I've started to lose faith in common sense ruling the day based on all the crap I've seen happen the last few years. And when the media gets involved lately the truth gets harder to find as sensationalism gets a lot more attention than boring facts.