Where Things Stand Currently

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Originally Posted by KB21

Lebby?s ceiling is not 5-7. That?s ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his process. He is analytically sound in his decision making. He?s aggressive. He has a great offensive scheme.

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There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.

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Don?t take the bait man.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

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I've already said to hire someone other than Dan who we know won't fix that either.
You tell me what your choice is?

But hell if you told me that we hired Sumrall I'd be fine with that and I'm not that wild about him. I'd give Joe Judge a chance but I want to see him as a head coach somewhere like Tulane before I buy in. Eric Morris would be my first choice.

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I don?t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.

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If the OP had posted that boosters were trying to fire Lebby in favor of Brent Vigen or Brian Newberry or Jon Sumrall, I'd be posting about them instead.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Eric Morris would be my first choice.

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He's already been announced as Oklahoma State's next coach. Otherwise, sure, I'd be fine with him.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.

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There wasn?t, and the analytics back that up.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The goal isn't to put a band aid on things. The goal is to get the best coach for Mississippi State. That's not Dan Mullen. Back in 2010 he was the best we could do. But it's 2025 now. Player acquisition is the most important thing right now. That was the thing that Dan was the worst about.

Bringing Dan Mullen back would be the most poor ol State move we could ever do. And hell- he started this shit back in 2015 if we're being honest and actually know what goes on.

It won't work. But hey- maybe he can win enough so he can get the career record for wins that he doesn't care about.

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We are not getting Mullen back so you don?t have to worry.

But how do you say he was bad at player acquisition?

Our fans think this . Why?

Do we need to compare the player Dan had vs now?

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

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Dak and Simmons are already donating a lot for NIL?

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Dak and Simmons are already donating a lot for NIL?

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Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I don?t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.

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Pretty certain that when Kiffin leaves and if OM goes through the same cycle of depressive seasons as State, you don?t think their fan base would want him back? People who want him back are thinking he would have State back to a respectable level (given his experience it isn?t too far stretched). Those who are adamantly against the thought of a Mullen 2.0 (no he won?t come back anyways) just have an agenda just like their agenda of glossing over how poorly of a HC Lebby has been

If Lebby is so poor as a head coach, then show me what has gotten worse under his coaching and show me the numbers that support that.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I've already said to hire someone other than Dan who we know won't fix that either.
You tell me what your choice is?

But hell if you told me that we hired Sumrall I'd be fine with that and I'm not that wild about him. I'd give Joe Judge a chance but I want to see him as a head coach somewhere like Tulane before I buy in. Eric Morris would be my first choice.

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I?m not for bringing in Dan either. But something has to give. The fan base IS SPLIT and it has to be reunited! The hire of O?Connor appears to have united the State Baseball fans, except for the little league failures who hate baseball.

There has to be significant changes and it has to happen this year, not halfway through the 2026 season. I just don?t think Lebby can unite the fans because he wasn?t a likeable hire to begin with. This thing will explode if he is retained and goes 1-8 or even 2-7 SEC next year. It will certainly take more than firing Hutzler and Loadholt!

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.

It?s funny people talking about almost losses under Mullen. I would love to go back to winning and almost losing. Instead we just lose under Lebby

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

We are not getting Mullen back so you don?t have to worry.

But how do you say he was bad at player acquisition?

Our fans think this . Why?

Do we need to compare the player Dan had vs now?

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Because there were multiple instances like AJ Brown during his tenure. His whole thing was what? Finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. Ok. So that era is over. Would he have been able to keep those diamonds after he developed them? And you can't just have those guys on the roster hanging out anymore.

You can compare players but it's apples and oranges because the era is completely different. This era is more like the AJ Brown situation than it is the Benardrick McKinney situation.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.

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Always

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Always

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I swear, sometimes I’m sure we could 17 up a football bat.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

I?m not for bringing in Dan either. But something has to give. The fan base IS SPLIT and it has to be reunited! The hire of O?Connor appears to have united the State Baseball fans, except for the little league failures who hate baseball.

There has to be significant changes and it has to happen this year, not halfway through the 2026 season. I just don?t think Lebby can unite the fans because he wasn?t a likeable hire to begin with. This thing will explode if he is retained and goes 1-8 or even 2-7 SEC next year. It will certainly take more than firing Hutzler and Loadholt!

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I haven't said anything about keeping Lebby over Dan. I'm just saying we shouldn't hire Dan back period. It isn't Dan or Lebby for me.

I'm fine with Lebby making changes and see what happens. I've also said that 2026 he has to get it done or be gone.

I believe is being fair to coaches and we were very fair to Lemonis. That helped us get O'Connor. Being fair to Lebby and it appears as if MSU is being fair to him will hopefully yield a better head coach if we have to go that route. We'll see. I don't want to try to make a head coaching hire this cycle. Too many blueblood jobs opening up. We need to make adjustments but I'm not ready to blow it all up yet.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.

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Yep. The usual suspects already have their repetitive dedicated thread to scream about Dan but somehow it got brought over into this one

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I haven't said anything about keeping Lebby over Dan. I'm just saying we shouldn't hire Dan back period. It isn't Dan or Lebby for me.

I'm fine with Lebby making changes and see what happens. I've also said that 2026 he has to get it done or be gone.

I believe is being fair to coaches and we were very fair to Lemonis. That helped us get O'Connor. Being fair to Lebby and it appears as if MSU is being fair to him will hopefully yield a better head coach if we have to go that route. We'll see. I don't want to try to make a head coaching hire this cycle. Too many blueblood jobs opening up. We need to make adjustments but I'm not ready to blow it all up yet.

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Do you agree that he HAS to make significant staff changes or hit the road?