Just here to say that we have money issues.. not coaching

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

So what?

If you'd also told me the context of how we got to 5-6 and how many teams on our schedule weren't as good as we expected, I would have retracted the "sign me up."

Nuance matters. Always has. 6 years ago, our whole fanbase [rightfully] wanted to fire a guy who won an Egg Bowl to get to a second straight bowl because of the nuance.

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Joe also had a academic cheating scandal, his team was clearly regressing(8 wins to 6), and his starting MLB punched out his starting QB 3 days before the bowl game. That's not nuance. That's losing control of the program.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Joe also had a academic cheating scandal, his team was clearly regressing(8 wins to 6), and his starting MLB punched out his starting QB 3 days before the bowl game. That's not nuance. That's losing control of the program.

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You're making my point for me. Moorhead had a record in 2019 that we would have assumed in August would have been good enough to keep his job in the eyes of most of our fans, but then once we saw how the season unfolded, it wasn't anymore. "You would have been fine with 6-6 before the season!" wasn't a relevant argument anymore.

Same goes with Lebby. Most of our fans want him out, despite the likely 5-7 record because of the way the season has unfolded.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

You're making my point for me. Moorhead had a record in 2019 that we would have assumed in August would have been good enough to keep his job in the eyes of most of our fans, but then once we saw how the season unfolded, it wasn't anymore. "You would have been fine with 6-6 before the season!" wasn't a relevant argument anymore.

Same goes with Lebby. Most of our fans want him out, despite the likely 5-7 record because of the way the season has unfolded.

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Lebby has not had an academic cheating scandal and to our knowledge Branden Jennings hasn't punched out Shapen. Lebby has not lost control of the program. Joe did. Joe would've been brought back had Willie Gay not punched out Schrader.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Lebby has not had an academic cheating scandal and to our knowledge Branden Jennings hasn't punched out Shapen. Lebby has not lost control of the program. Joe did. Joe would've been brought back had Willie Gay not punched out Schrader.

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That was just the opportunity to do what was wanted. I guarantee if Lebby gives any opportunity, he will be gone too

Nor has he called out the fan base and told them to kick rocks and pound sand while gloating over a 20-19 win by a botched XPT by a bad OM team!

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Lebby has not had an academic cheating scandal and to our knowledge Branden Jennings hasn't punched out Shapen. Lebby has not lost control of the program. Joe did. Joe would've been brought back had Willie Gay not punched out Schrader.

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I didn't say their situations are 100% identical, but both of them have legitimate reasons for most of our fans to want to move on, despite the "but you would have been happy with this record in August" argument.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I didn't say their situations are 100% identical, but both of them have legitimate reasons for most of our fans to want to move on, despite the "but you would have been happy with this record in August" argument.

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Look man, you're not going to agree with me and I'm not going to agree with you. You want him 4 weeks ago and I want to give him 2026 because I see the improvement. One of us will be right. But it won't be today and it won't be in 10 days.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Look man, you're not going to agree with me and I'm not going to agree with you. You want him 4 weeks ago and I want to give him 2026 because I see the improvement. One of us will be right. But it won't be today and it won't be in 10 days.

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Even when I (along with 90% of our fans) turn out to be right next year and we finally fire him, your side will claim that actually you were right because most of you have admitted that we'll probably fire him next year but think it's proper to give him another year anyway.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Even when I (along with 90% of our fans) turn out to be right next year and we finally fire him, your side will claim that actually you were right because most of you have admitted that we'll probably fire him next year but think it's proper to give him another year anyway.

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I admitted when I was wrong about Arnett and the Air Raid. I also don't believe we'll fire him next year because I know changes are going to be made to the staff.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Our fans don't really care for football. We have proved it over and over.

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Here's the problem with that though, we have supporters that are investigating millions and millions into football facilities. I agree that a lot of MSU fans are more into deer camp jerkfests than football, but why build all this stuff if we want to just let well enough alone.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I admitted when I was wrong about Arnett and the Air Raid. I also don't believe we'll fire him next year because I know changes are going to be made to the staff.

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Someone admitting they're wrong around here is rare air

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Someone admitting they're wrong around here is rare air

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I count, over my 8 years here, you and I. There may be more, but I just don't remember them.

I'm bad about giving our current coaches the benefit of the doubt. Mostly because I want them to win.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Imagine being a Billionaire and spending your hard earned cash on high school and college kids so you can try to buy your college team relevance.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the amount of money these rich bastards are throwing at college football players. It's as if they want to be known as the reason their team succeeded. It's the most selfishly unselfish waste of money I've ever seen. And I hope we have some folks that are just as dumb, bc I ain't got billions with a B, millions with a M, or even many thousands with a T! Haha

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It?s ego and social status with them. Makes them them feel good to be able to brag on how much they paid for so and so. And we may have some in the same boat. But give them credit, if they want a good football team, it takes money. They just have a lot of rich folks who like to give and give every year.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I'm bad about giving our current coaches the benefit of the doubt. Mostly because I want them to win.

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We all are. And it gets us to a certain point where we do not even enjoy the wins anymore. We get so hard on coaches that we look for reasons we were “lucky” to win or point out how the other team screwed up.

I vividly remember multiple times during the Moorhead era being pissed we won. Like that is a shitty fan. It is. I remember everyone else celebrating the 19 Egg Bowl and 5 minutes after the game I am pissed because Joe has not been fired. If we win next Friday, there will be people that do it.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We all are. And it gets us to a certain point where we do not even enjoy the wins anymore. We get so hard on coaches that we look for reasons we were “lucky” to win or point out how the other team screwed up.

I vividly remember multiple times during the Moorhead era being pissed we won. Like that is a shitty fan. It is. I remember everyone else celebrating the 19 Egg Bowl and 5 minutes after the game I am pissed because Joe has not been fired. If we win next Friday, there will be people that do it.

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I (as the majority fans do) just want wins. I don’t give a rip who the coach is. I don’t care for a splash hire or celebrity I just want wins. The “improvement” shown this year gives me some hope but honestly it’s hard NOT to improve from what we were last year. The boneheaded coaching decisions give me pause though. Sometimes a coach learns from those but sometimes that’s just their nature. I hope Lebby is one who learns but in the last couple games it really doesn’t look that way. Art Briles would make a great OC for him next season and I think could teach him how to manage a program also (the jokes just write themselves after I wrote that sentence….have fun)

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We all are. And it gets us to a certain point where we do not even enjoy the wins anymore. We get so hard on coaches that we look for reasons we were “lucky” to win or point out how the other team screwed up.

I vividly remember multiple times during the Moorhead era being pissed we won. Like that is a shitty fan. It is. I remember everyone else celebrating the 19 Egg Bowl and 5 minutes after the game I am pissed because Joe has not been fired. If we win next Friday, there will be people that do it.

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I don't know man, it should be ok to both win and be upset at an effort or performance in the event. Those are the ones that are driven to succeed.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

The UF game. Personally I would have ran it instead of passing it. But I understand the thought process. If we get a TFL it makes the FG near impossible. So a quick pass, speaking stat wise, should result in positive yards OR incomplete pass, and rarely an INT.

We did not run 8 straight draws vs Mizzou. Those were RPOs and both QBs saw they had the numbers. When you have the numbers you take it. So what happened? Piss poor blocking. We had numbers and still could do nothing. On the flip side of that, if the QBs do not take the numbers, our wrs have little room because that's where they put the numbers at.

We have a 3 star line trying to defend against 5 and 4 star players at DE, DL, and LB.

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You are on the 17ing 2 yard line 1st and goal-=-to hell with RPO run a QB sneak. or just hand the mfer to fluff. Its is football not a video game. Money would be good, having a Coach that isn't a dumbass would be better.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We all are. And it gets us to a certain point where we do not even enjoy the wins anymore. We get so hard on coaches that we look for reasons we were “lucky” to win or point out how the other team screwed up.

I vividly remember multiple times during the Moorhead era being pissed we won. Like that is a shitty fan. It is. I remember everyone else celebrating the 19 Egg Bowl and 5 minutes after the game I am pissed because Joe has not been fired. If we win next Friday, there will be people that do it.

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hard on Coaches-boo hoo--they are making Millions. I was on the Lebby train until Mizzo--He lost Me on that one. Now if we fire Him I'm ok with that.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Lebby has not had an academic cheating scandal and to our knowledge Branden Jennings hasn't punched out Shapen. Lebby has not lost control of the program. Joe did. Joe would've been brought back had Willie Gay not punched out Schrader.

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so what is your point-JOMO and Lebby have proven to be bad Coaches. Lebby at least has not lost the team yet. But he has lost 4 games he could have won, if he had a brain. JOMO wasn't 1-16 in SEC and he didn't lose to 17 ing Toledo.