Lots of chatter so some may need to brace themselves

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Originally Posted by Cruz

basedog mentioned "he or they" - so that could mean Tom Walter with Corey Muscara agreed to come as PC. That would not be a bad pull.

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Are we sure it isn't a Cohen hire and two HC?

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

The only way I would hire him is if we wins the natty which is about as likely as us winning 10 games in football this year

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Yeah, I would have a hard time objecting at that point ... BUT I think we announce our hire before the Supers, or possibly before the Regionals, so it will be a moot point even if he does it.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Yeah, I would have a hard time objecting at that point ... BUT I think we announce our hire before the Supers, or possibly before the Regionals, so it will be a moot point even if he does it.

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MSU may have learned something from the Schlossnagle/Gary Henderson saga.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

4 or 5 % chance Selmon and Keenum "over-react?" I think the % chance they "over-react is much higher!" Not over 50% so that is why I qualified my point by saying we need to hire a sitting established successful Head Coach! I just don't trust Keenum who is Selmon's boss. These "so-called" behind the scenes baseball super supporters better tell Keenum they will withhold their large yearly donations if he doesn't support spending their donations on NIL and more than $2 million in total staff payments and decides to go cheap and stand pat with remaining staff!

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At some point Keenum is going to have to tell the boosters that screwed up our football program and athletic department that we can afford to let them make decisions. They've lost privileges. Keenum should be able to promise them some sort of access no matter who the coach is.

That said I can't imagine why he would listen to them in this situation.

Although- and I guess I'm answering my own question here- they basically railroaded Cohen in as AD and I think they made up a bunch of excuses why we should hire Arnett that Keenum bought because Cohen had us so behind in NIL/portal.

One thing people need to remember. They made Parker the interim with the purpose of him possibly staying as the pitching coach. This isn't a head coach tryout.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

At some point Keenum is going to have to tell the boosters that screwed up our football program and athletic department that we can afford to let them make decisions. They've lost privileges. Keenum should be able to promise them some sort of access no matter who the coach is.

That said I can't imagine why he would listen to them in this situation.

Although- and I guess I'm answering my own question here- they basically railroaded Cohen in as AD and I think they made up a bunch of excuses why we should hire Arnett that Keenum bought because Cohen had us so behind in NIL/portal.

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The guys running this search are baseball people and are uniquely situated to handle this. This is definitely not the same group that gave us Cohen as AD.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

At some point Keenum is going to have to tell the boosters that screwed up our football program and athletic department that we can afford to let them make decisions. They've lost privileges. Keenum should be able to promise them some sort of access no matter who the coach is.

That said I can't imagine why he would listen to them in this situation.

Although- and I guess I'm answering my own question here- they basically railroaded Cohen in as AD and I think they made up a bunch of excuses why we should hire Arnett that Keenum bought because Cohen had us so behind in NIL/portal.

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That was almost 100% Keenum

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

The guys running this search are baseball people and are uniquely situated to handle this. This is definitely not the same group that gave us Cohen as AD.

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That is great news! I really want to believe you!!!!! Don't toy with me!

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

That is great news! I really want to believe you!!!!! Don't toy with me!

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They know what they are doing but, this is no slam dunk like a lot here think it will be.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

They know what they are doing but, this is no slam dunk like a lot here think it will be.

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yep. Going for the right coach and getting that family here. Selmon will more than earn his pay.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

They know what they are doing but, this is no slam dunk like a lot here think it will be.

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I'm not saying it should be easy or anything but our fans aren't the only ones who act like this is a premier job and will be garnering a ton of attention from good/great coaches.

When we fired Lemon there were several media outlets pointing to the fact that it's a big time open position that will be sought after.

I get both sides of the argument but I think the good out weighs the negatives enough to tip the scales more when it comes to the baseball job. Maybe not with FB or BkB.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

I'm not saying it should be easy or anything but our fans aren't the only ones who act like this is a premier job and will be garnering a ton of attention from good/great coaches.

When we fired Lemon there were several media outlets pointing to the fact that it's a big time open position that will be sought after.

I get both sides of the argument but I think the good out weighs the negatives enough to tip the scales more when it comes to the baseball job. Maybe not with FB or BkB.

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Are you referring to the college baseball talking heads? We are a great job and I?m know we are seeing interest, but they are just media guys now. I have look at it like this. If I were a coach with an already great job, because that?s who we?re talking about. And I was approached about the State gig I?d have to think long and hard what do they have there that affords me the opportunity to succeed at a higher level than where I am now? Is this somewhere my family will want to go if they are already in a great situation? You have to look at every single aspect of it weigh it out and see if it?s for you and your family. I know that there are some jobs I?d not leave to come here, Oregon being one of those, why would you leave everything that Nike can put at your disposal on a day to day basis? I?m saying that this just isn?t a slam dunk that everyone in the nation will jump on our job that is just an unrealistic expectation, there are so many factors that go into this from both sides.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Are you referring to the college baseball talking heads? We are a great job and I?m know we are seeing interest, but they are just media guys now. I have look at it like this. If I were a coach with an already great job, because that?s who we?re talking about. And I was approached about the State gig I?d have to think long and hard what do they have there that affords me the opportunity to succeed at a higher level than where I am now? Is this somewhere my family will want to go if they are already in a great situation? You have to look at every single aspect of it weigh it out and see if it?s for you and your family. I know that there are some jobs I?d not leave to come here, Oregon being one of those, why would you leave everything that Nike can put at your disposal on a day to day basis? I?m saying that this just isn?t a slam dunk that everyone in the nation will jump on our job that is just an unrealistic expectation, there are so many factors that go into this from both sides.

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Oregon - easy path through the Big 10 every year also. Tell the coach leave Eugene and Nike, and all the monopoly on west coast players in your current conference, and come to the SEC into the deep south.
Things would have to go just right.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Oregon - easy path through the Big 10 every year also. Tell the coach leave Eugene and Nike, and all the monopoly on west coast players in your current conference, and come to the SEC into the deep south.
Things would have to go just right.

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Counterpoint: the 3rd and 4th place teams in the Big 10 are on the bubble. The 13th place team in the SEC is a lock.

It's easy to see why an SEC job would appeal to a Big 10 coach.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Counterpoint: the 3rd and 4th place teams in the Big 10 are on the bubble. The 13th place team in the SEC is a lock.

It's easy to see why an SEC job would appeal to a Big 10 coach.

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Yep. Iowa lead the Big 10 until the last week. Now, they are out of the postseason picture.

Right. You can literally have a losing conference record and still make the tournament playing in the SEC.

If a coach isn't excited to grind it out in the SEC they likely wouldn't last at MSU either way with our fanbase.

All else being equal or tilted toward State financially, conference affiliation, baseball history(not just the past 15-20 years) by, fan support, administration support, facilities, recruiting footprint.... the ONLY thing that should factor in to the decision for a Coach with any kind of drive to be on top that might keep him from taking this job is 100% location and all that encompasses. Charlottesville or Starkville? Eugene or Starkville? Clemson or Starkville? Athens or Starkville? That's it!

I mean how many different color outfits can Nike dress the Ducks in? It's Baseball! Vendors provide the Bats and Balls! Most kids prefer to choose their own gloves and mitts! The Buses have the same number of seats! The bases are always 90 feet apart! The grass is usually green and the dirt brown or black in every natural turf stadium. The lights are pretty much ALL LED. The bleachers are hard and the Chairbacks are relatively comfortable. The beer and whiskey are usually from the same distilleries or distributors! Where you get to hang out when the sport isnt in season is the main difference for 18-23 year olds!

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

All else being equal or tilted toward State financially, conference affiliation, baseball history(not just the past 15-20 years) by, fan support, administration support, facilities, recruiting footprint.... the ONLY thing that should factor in to the decision for a Coach with any kind of drive to be on top that might keep him from taking this job is 100% location and all that encompasses. Charlottesville or Starkville? Eugene or Starkville? Clemson or Starkville? Athens or Starkville? That's it!

I mean how many different color outfits can Nike dress the Ducks in? It's Baseball! Vendors provide the Bats and Balls! Most kids prefer to choose their own gloves and mitts! The Buses have the same number of seats! The bases are always 90 feet apart! The grass is usually green and the dirt brown or black in every natural turf stadium. The lights are pretty much ALL LED. The bleachers are hard and the Chairbacks are relatively comfortable. The beer and whiskey are usually from the same distilleries or distributors! Where you get to hang out when the sport isnt in season is the main difference for 18-23 year olds!

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I really don't understand the location thing. Most colleges are in smaller towns. If a coach is worried more about how far they are from the nearest Target then they're probably not a good fit for us anyway. MSU has access to transportation that will literally take them and their families anywhere they want to go in the US on the University dime. Howland used to use it to go to California and Leach used it to go to Key West.

Our fans are making the mistake of looking at this through the lens of what factors would be important to them in their personal profession. This is a completely different animal. You can come to MSU and coach here for five years and basically be set for life and be treated like royalty while making the Collegiate Baseball HOF potentially if you win big- and you are going to be given the resources to do so and you are in the right conference to recruit too. Which are MAJOR issues in Charlottesville, Oregon, and if you ask Erik Bakich- Clemson. Georgia meanwhile only outdrew ONE team in the SEC and that was Mizzou. That's the program we have some fans trying to rationalize away as somehow being on par with MSU.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

That was almost 100% Keenum

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Oh really? Keenum told the Clarion-Ledger he was going to hire Cohen before the interview process was over?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I really don't understand the location thing. Most colleges are in smaller towns. If a coach is worried more about how far they are from the nearest Target then they're probably not a good fit for us anyway. MSU has access to transportation that will literally take them and their families anywhere they want to go in the US on the University dime. Howland used to use it to go to California and Leach used it to go to Key West.

Our fans are making the mistake of looking at this through the lens of what factors would be important to them in their personal profession. This is a completely different animal. You can come to MSU and coach here for five years and basically be set for life and be treated like royalty while making the Collegiate Baseball HOF potentially if you win big- and you are going to be given the resources to do so and you are in the right conference to recruit too. Which are MAJOR issues in Charlottesville, Oregon, and if you ask Erik Bakich- Clemson. Georgia meanwhile only outdrew ONE team in the SEC and that was Mizzou. That's the program we have some fans trying to rationalize away as somehow being on par with MSU.

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For the coaches that are all about baseball and above the other things in life, then yes we are a perfect landing spot.
We have a commitment to $$$, and that really is the bottom line over everything . Alot of excitement on our financial commitment.