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09-21-2022, 01:03 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Want a preview of where this system goes? Happening right now

1st in the ACC and he is a former dawg!

Syracuse switched to the Air Raid this season. They are 3-0 and look at the stats:

Garrett Shrader RTG= 177.9. 8 TDs, Zero INTs. 66%. 77 attempts 709 yards.

Now look at the rushing: 46 201 4.4 with 3 more TDs.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...stats/_/id/183

He has also been sacked 6 times.

So what would be the difference here?

1- We will have a higher % of completions.
2- More attempts.
3- A QB in the top 3 rushing for positive yards. And I would think that will end up around 400 yards

Just keep building the program!
09-21-2022, 01:06 PM
msstate7

If this is where it was going, why didn't we keep shrader? What leach team are you basing this on?

Syracuse offense...
126 rushes, 82 passes
61% run heavy
09-21-2022, 01:08 PM
Coach34

Yeah I was wondering about this. Syracuse is a #RTGDF team

This actually makes the case against what Leach is doing
09-21-2022, 01:11 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

If this is where it was going, why didn't we keep shrader? What leach team are you basing this on?

Syracuse offense...
126 rushes, 82 passes
61% run heavy

First, I like you throwing out the stats and clearly ignoring #1 and #2. That should pretty much answer all of that.
09-21-2022, 01:14 PM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

First, I like you throwing out the stats and clearly ignoring #1 and #2. That should pretty much answer all of that.

Syracuse isn't an air raid team.
We aren't gonna use someone like shrader.
We are nothing like Syracuse.

This thread makes no sense

I would looooooovvvvvveeeee for us to be a run heavy offense with a mobile qb though
09-21-2022, 01:16 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

Yeah I was wondering about this. Syracuse is a #RTGDF team

This actually makes the case against what Leach is doing

Nope. Switched to the Air Raid offense. Look at who Leach is recruiting. It's not that hard to see that Leach is looking to run it more. In fact we have been. Not sure how that is a "case against" Leach.
09-21-2022, 01:24 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Syracuse isn't an air raid team.
We aren't gonna use someone like shrader.
We are nothing like Syracuse.

This thread makes no sense

I would looooooovvvvvveeeee for us to be a run heavy offense with a mobile qb though

Sir.. Syracuse switched in the off season to the AIR RAID!

Quote:

Q. I'm curious how you've kind of begun laying a foundation for your relationship with the new offensive coaches, coordinator and quarterback coach? What has that process been like, and how are you enjoying those guys?

GARRETT SHRADER: It's been awesome. It all started with I have a little bit of background with air raid, the same system they came with when I played under Mike Leach, Mississippi State. That was good common ground. A lot of stuff we were running I already knew and was familiar with, so that was awesome.

Quote:

Anae arrived to SU and told his new offense that his main focus was improving their weakness — throwing the ball. The new air raid attack gives Shrader the opportunity to throw the ball frequently, something he’s always wanted, his father Tracey said.

Robert Anae... The veteran OC, influenced greatly by Mike Leach’s “Air Raid” offense while working under Leach at Texas Tech
09-21-2022, 01:26 PM
msstate7

126 rushes
82 passes

I could tell you I look just like Brad Pitt before you get a look at me, but once you do, what I said is irrelevant
09-21-2022, 01:30 PM
WhiskeyPirate

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

1st in the ACC and he is a former dawg!

Syracuse switched to the Air Raid this season. They are 3-0 and look at the stats:

Garrett Shrader RTG= 177.9. 8 TDs, Zero INTs. 66%. 77 attempts 709 yards.

Now look at the rushing: 46 201 4.4 with 3 more TDs.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...stats/_/id/183

He has also been sacked 6 times.

So what would be the difference here?

1- We will have a higher % of completions.
2- More attempts.
3- A QB in the top 3 rushing for positive yards. And I would think that will end up around 400 yards

Just keep building the program!

Air raid concepts are all over college football and the nfl. Leach has changed the way the game has played. Run heavy conventional attacks are not only outdated but the worst thing a have not could run to compete with the blue bloods.

Of course some of these clowns think Dave Clawson would be a great hire, Lol
09-21-2022, 01:31 PM
TrapGame

https://cuse.com/staff-directory/robert-anae/2890

Damn, that's an impressive resume.

He's definitely using some AR in his passing schemes but he has a RTGDF aspect we really should adopt.
09-21-2022, 01:34 PM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

Air raid concepts are all over college football and the nfl. Leach has changed the way the game has played. Run heavy conventional attacks are not only outdated but the worst thing a have not could run to compete with the blue bloods.

Of course some of these clowns think Dave Clawson would be a great hire, Lol

Oh the irony of posting this on a post praising a team that runs it 61% of the time
09-21-2022, 01:36 PM
parabrave

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Oh the irony of posting this on a post praising a team that runs it 61% of the time

Can you spell Troll. The man who changed the way we play football goes by the name of Bill Walsh.
09-21-2022, 01:42 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

126 rushes
82 passes

I could tell you I look just like Brad Pitt before you get a look at me, but once you do, what I said is irrelevant

Put that in there all day long. It doesn't change that it's the Air Raid system. Doesn't matter that you point to a "stat" to try and claim it's not the Air Raid. It is the Air Raid and the QB is being flushed and is taking off, not designed runs. Gordon was sacked 20 plus times. He rushed it 50 times. Minshew rushed it 56 times... sacked 13.

What we are going to see is a QB that will make plays with his legs. How do I know? Because that's who Leach is recruiting.
09-21-2022, 01:44 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrapGame

https://cuse.com/staff-directory/robert-anae/2890

Damn, that's an impressive resume.

He's definitely using some AR in his passing schemes but he has a RTGDF aspect we really should adopt.

Which is what we are seeing. We are running more this year and he is recruiting QBs that can scramble.

Go watch Shrader's pocket break down... what does he do... RUN IT!. We are headed that direction.
09-21-2022, 01:45 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Oh the irony of posting this on a post praising a team that runs it 61% of the time

No, He scrambles a large % of those. It's not designed runs!
09-21-2022, 01:47 PM
WhiskeyPirate

They are tailoring their offense to Tucker and Shrader but it’s still the air raid. Shrader was completing 79% of his passes as of two weeks ago, that’s Robert Anae Leachs old assistant.
09-21-2022, 02:03 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

They are tailoring their offense to Tucker and Shrader but it’s still the air raid. Shrader was completing 79% of his passes as of two weeks ago, that’s Robert Anae Leachs old assistant.

And what these guys refuse to see is that we actually have the option read in our play book. We don't run it because of the QB's ability. So I guess we should demand Leach do it anyway so the same people can complain about what an idiot he is knowing Rogers is not that guy.

And I will say again.... a lot of Shrader's rushing attempts are those being flushed out. This goes back to the difference in a QB that can vs one that can't.

We are running more. Having a QB that can scramble will add even more to it. Which is the point of the thread. Once the younger QBs are starting, we will see QBs that can and will take off.
09-21-2022, 02:26 PM
memsu06

Wasn't this the point of signing Chris Parson?

A pass first QB that can run if protection breaks down.

Not to mention he does throw a good catchable ball to receivers.
09-21-2022, 02:31 PM
msstate7

https://i.postimg.cc/wjSg4WSv/BA4987...214655-B88.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/D0yT4RbC/17-AD2...A24-F72968.jpg

Are we recruiting any h-back/TEs?
09-21-2022, 02:35 PM
DawgFromOxford

So a team switched to the air raid in a single offseason and is having more success than we are when we've been running it for years now?
09-21-2022, 02:35 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by memsu06

Wasn't this the point of signing Chris Parson?

A pass first QB that can run if protection breaks down.

Not to mention he does throw a good catchable ball to receivers.

That is. Minshew ran it and when he did, WSU won 11 games.
09-21-2022, 02:37 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

https://i.postimg.cc/wjSg4WSv/BA4987...214655-B88.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/D0yT4RbC/17-AD2...A24-F72968.jpg

Are we recruiting any h-back/TEs?

NOPE! Nor did I suggest we were. I stated that we are moving towards being able to run it via I QB and even out lined that for you to ignore and go on a rant.
09-21-2022, 02:39 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford

So a team switched to the air raid in a single offseason and is having more success than we are when we've been running it for years now?

No sire they are not. They almost lost to a 1-1 Purdue and have not played an LSU type team. And again, nobody is suggesting that Rogers can run it.
09-21-2022, 02:41 PM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

NOPE! Nor did I suggest we were. I stated that we are moving towards being able to run it via I QB and even out lined that for you to ignore and go on a rant.

Syracuse runs 3-wide with a te or an h-back. That makes a big difference when trying to run the ball.
09-21-2022, 02:44 PM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford

So a team switched to the air raid in a single offseason and is having more success than we are when we've been running it for years now?

Syracuse ran it 63% last year, and they run in 61% this year. They're just running out of different formations
09-21-2022, 02:45 PM
Coach34

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

That is. Minshew ran it and when he did, WSU won 11 games.

Minshew had 58 carries for 119 yards for the SEASON. 13 of those were sacks- so 45 carries. So 3.5 carries a game

Shrader has 46 carries for 201 yards in 3 GAMES. 6 sacks so 40 carries. 13 carries per game

Cmon Mane. This is a terrible troll attempt
09-21-2022, 02:46 PM
dawgman15

Minshew was no speed demon, senior year he could barely hit 5.0 forty
09-21-2022, 02:48 PM
TrapGame

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Syracuse runs 3-wide with a te or an h-back. That makes a big difference when trying to run the ball.

We've used Dillon as the H-back on some of those two back sets. I really think we should do that more than we are.
09-21-2022, 02:48 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Syracuse runs 3-wide with a te or an h-back. That makes a big difference when trying to run the ball.

Again. Air Raid. His scramble make up a large portion of his rushing attempts. Again, We also have the read option in our play book. We don't use for a reason. BUT when the younger guys begin their starts here, we will morph into more of this.
09-21-2022, 02:49 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Syracuse ran it 63% last year, and they run in 61% this year. They're just running out of different formations

Nope. They are running the air Raid and there own player and coaches are telling you that. But it's ok that you don't get it.
09-21-2022, 02:52 PM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Nope. They are running the air Raid and there own player and coaches are telling you that. But it's ok that you don't get it.

Call it whatever you want - they throw the ball 39% of the time in the air raid
09-21-2022, 02:59 PM
R2Dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Syracuse isn't an air raid team.
We aren't gonna use someone like shrader.
We are nothing like Syracuse.

This thread makes no sense

I would looooooovvvvvveeeee for us to be a run heavy offense with a mobile qb though

Agree but can you imagine a running QB in our system allowed to run when it is there? It could be lethal. Just tweak what we have a we could have something. Most college QBs can throw a 10 yard pass OK.
09-21-2022, 03:00 PM
msstate7

Syracuse national ranks...
Pass attempts - 93rd
Rush attempts - 30th

Syracuse has thrown 2 more times than the other air-it-offense, OM
09-21-2022, 03:01 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

Minshew had 58 carries for 119 yards for the SEASON. 13 of those were sacks- so 45 carries. So 3.5 carries a game

Shrader has 46 carries for 201 yards in 3 GAMES. 6 sacks so 40 carries. 13 carries per game

Cmon Mane. This is a terrible troll attempt

Oh.. so you are under the impression that I stated something that I actually didn't. Read what I posted. Here it is again:

Quote:

So what would be the difference here?

1- We will have a higher % of completions.
2- More attempts.(passing... means less rushing)
3- A QB in the top 3 rushing for positive yards. And I would think that will end up around 400 yards

Now I used Minshew to show that a mobile QB with positive yards can make that much of a difference, but if you want more.. Cody Hodges. rushed it 109 times, 2nd leading rusher on the team. Nowhere have I stated we will be like Syracuse. I stated we will see a mobile QB capable of doing what Shrader is doing and it will lead to more success.
09-21-2022, 03:02 PM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Agree but can you imagine a running QB in our system allowed to run when it is there? It could be lethal. Just tweak what we have a we could have something. Most college QBs can throw a 10 yard pass OK.

I would absolutely love for leach to air a dual qb and an h-back/te. It would change my mind about him instantly
09-21-2022, 03:04 PM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Oh.. so you are under the impression that I stated something that I actually didn't. Read what I posted. Here it is again:

Now I used Minshew to show that a mobile QB with positive yards can make that much of a difference, but if you want more.. Cody Hodges. rushed it 109 times, 2nd leading rusher on the team. Nowhere have I stated we will be like Syracuse. I stated we will see a mobile QB capable of doing what Shrader is doing and it will lead to more success.

You said Syracuse is our future template. Then you say well we won't add the te/h-backs. Basically we will be nothing like Syracuse, but be like we are with a mobile qb.

I would love to go with a mobile qb, but this thread is flat out dumb
09-21-2022, 03:07 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Call it whatever you want - they throw the ball 39% of the time in the air raid

No.. The attempt to throw it more. He just has to scramble. Did they change the stats to show a scramble as a pass now?

In other words, All my concern is that when our younger QBs are on the field, rather than taking 40 sacks, they can make positive yards that forces that aspect to be accounted for. Rogers was sacked 34 times last year Rather than 34 time that we went backwards, we could have gone forwards most of those attempts.
09-21-2022, 03:10 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Syracuse national ranks...
Pass attempts - 93rd
Rush attempts - 30th

Syracuse has thrown 2 more times than the other air-it-offense, OM

Doesn't matter. Your understanding of the Air Raid is off. Last year through 12 games... He attempted to throw it 234. Through 3 games 70 without the fact of a passing play called and him having to run it or take a sack.
09-21-2022, 03:12 PM
BlackSailsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

You said Syracuse is our future template. Then you say well we won't add the te/h-backs. Basically we will be nothing like Syracuse, but be like we are with a mobile qb.

I would love to go with a mobile qb, but this thread is flat out dumb

I 100% did not. The entire OP is there to read.
09-21-2022, 04:38 PM
TUSK

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

1st in the ACC and he is a former dawg!

Syracuse switched to the Air Raid this season. They are 3-0 and look at the stats:

Garrett Shrader RTG= 177.9. 8 TDs, Zero INTs. 66%. 77 attempts 709 yards.

Now look at the rushing: 46 201 4.4 with 3 more TDs.

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...stats/_/id/183

He has also been sacked 6 times.

So what would be the difference here?

1- We will have a higher % of completions.
2- More attempts.
3- A QB in the top 3 rushing for positive yards. And I would think that will end up around 400 yards

Just keep building the program!

I'll take "SEC LOS Play" for $1000, Alex.

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