I know many are still reluctant to fully support Leach. Will you buy in if we Saturday?
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I know many are still reluctant to fully support Leach. Will you buy in if we Saturday?
And Barn or Pig, then I'll be happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I'm concerned about our recruiting, but a win Saturday would go a long way for me. I'm expecting a loss.
If we close pretty strong, which it's looking like we will, we're looking at a top 15-20 classQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
We are obviously improving.
We are 4-3 right now with a good chance to get to 6-6 or 7-5 and extend the bowl streak.
At the end of this season Leach will basically have been here 1.5 years due to how strange last year was.
It takes time to build programs. Mullen didn't do it overnight, and had plenty of 7 win years surrounding 2014.
How we win would be important for this discussion. If we move the ball well vs Kentucky and score points would go farther for me than if Kentucky turned the ball over 3 times and lost a close, low scoring game. I expect Kentucky is gonna drop 8 and stick with it... I wanna see us score some points vs it
Like seriously? That's huge!!! Mullen only did that like twice. Who are we flirting with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
It would help a tremendous amount if we won Saturday.
I agree w/ this.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm very happy we've been to bowls every season the last decade but Mullen got bailed out in a big way in 2016. In a normal year we don't go bowling then. I think that adds to the immense pressure that was on Moorhead and now on Leach. Don't get me wrong Moorhead bare minimum should've won't 10 games in '18 with that team but I think due to the success Mullen had here we aren't very patient anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Need two for me to fully commit.......Need one win against 1 of the next 3 and then beat Mississippi........Do that, I'm in.........
Sounds like we have a pretty decent shot at finishing with:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
RB Ajay Allen
WR Some combination of Marquez Dortch, Zavion Thomas, and Kaydin Pope
OL Percy Lewis and Trent Ramsey
DL Jaheim Oatis and Treyvion Lewis
LB Stone
CB Khamauri Rogers
I don't think we get all of those guys, but if you hit on 80-85% of them you were right at #20 based on last years scores
Take bad Ref call away in one game and a few bad plays away from another game we only have one lose but we would still be the same team.
Didn't we already have a package for errant referees 😁?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
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Would 24-28 points in a win do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If we score 24-28 points because we are methodically moving the ball down the field against a drop 8 and burn up a huge amount of clock, that seems fine to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Our fans suck. Some won't "buy in" no matter what. Complete lack of perspective.
And what facts is this optimism based on ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
See about 5-6 posts aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
I'd have to see it to believe. I'm basing my opinion on current situation. Very concerned about LT next year as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
I’m already bought in. Historically next year could be fun. I know the schedule is tough, but year 3 of Leach has always been really good
Our fans are no different than any other fan base, period.......
Historically- Leach was having to raise the talent level at the school he was at. Here- Year 3 is going to see a talent drop with all that we are likely to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
I think that?s a big thing people don?t realize. People put too much emphasis on the year 3 Leach but a lot of that had to do with having more experience and talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Winning is always a good thing. Should be an interesting game. I think we have a 50.1% chance of us winning.
Sorry but I'm just not sold on the Pirate but I will always pull for MSU.
if we finish 7-5 im 100% in , I want one to be the egg bowl.... because we need it badly for momentum for recruiting..Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I've already bought in.
I guess some of you forget Mullen had some years similar to this. Not to mention the threat of him leaving for another job every year. Imagine what that did to recruiting when the recruits weren't sure he'd be their coach. How's Mullen doing with better talent at FL right now?
Leach wanted to come back to the SEC to show it can work in the SEC. He absolutely does want to win. You should read his book where he tells several stories about doing absolutely everything he could think of to give his under matched teams a chance to win. He left a fake play sheet on the field when he was the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma for the Red River Rivalry game. It threw Texas for a loop and allowed Oklahoma to start the game 2 scores ahead.
He's done more with less than most coaches in the nation. Texas Tech was never a recruiting hotspot and neither was Washington State. We're not that much better, but do have access to higher quality players.
No (I already bought in, so really ya, but no ... doesn't change where I am). But we're going to win.
Truest words spoken here in a long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Leach is not an improvement over CDM. He will, at best, get us back to that level, if we are lucky. Regardless of if it?s RTGDFB or AirRaid, one dimensional football can only take you so far, and this ride has more dips than climbs, which seems so impossible that it?s maddening.
You have your hopes way too high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I agree with this but also, even though he will have his most talented teams here, it will still be the same situation as everywhere elseQuote:
Originally Posted by memsu06
If he had a top 25 recruiting class at texas tech or Washington state, he would have top 5 talent in the conference
If leach has #25 class at msu , he will not even have top 10 talent in the sec when 5-6 sec schools recruit in the top 10
I like Leach personally but hate his offense.... It's gonna take way more than a win against Kentucky to win me over and I'm not sure a win there would even be a start. For me this won't happen until possibly next year if we see more SEC wins and scoring improvement and I believe that will take a major adjustment to his current scheme ..... I really hope to be won over but it won't happen this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
and some of our fans suck because of blind optimism .... seems like all you do is trash talk our fanbase Todd . Not everyone always shares your opinion and you should be smart enough to understand thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Why?? I posted above the recruits that we are likely to finish with. If you use the "class calculator" feature on 247, and if you do the math that finish would've put us at 17-18 last year...I'm confused by your post??Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I'm smart enough to understand that we're essentially getting the same results as we did under Dan and that we've already gotten about as many top 25 wins as we did under Dan. And that if our program is ever going to move forward we're going to have to throw the ball. That's the way the game is trending and has been for awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
And no we don't have to not will we be so extreme passing the ball with our coaches going forward. But the reality is we will start putting wide receivers and QB's in the league and that helps MSU in the long run.
But hey! Let's not buy in and blow this all up so that we can go back to what never has worked before and gotten essentially the same results as Leach while he is just starting to implement his program.**
Not buying our fans suck Todd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Better be careful, you?re using too much reasoning. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeDawg15
Yeah! But, Leach didn't. He recruited about where we are recruiting at State. If he can somehow up the numbers to being a top 20-25 recruiting team. That is major, you start compounding good classes over good classes wins will become more and more normal and not so much cyclical like there were under Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dak Holliday