Mullen and MSU history

I wonder if our fanbase realizes how far Mullen has actually brought our program. Think about the history of the football program. We have been mired in mediocrity or even less for the last 40 years. Other than the 98 season (a down year for several programs) you have to go all the way back to 1941 to find any meaningful success for football here. We have only been to 17 bowl games and Mullen is responsible for 3 of those. We had one of the smallest stadiums and lowest attendance in the league. Because of Mullen that has improved, DRASTICALLY! Because of Mullen we actually tailgate now, we show and have some passion now.

I realize with the great success Mullen has had that expectations and passion has risen. So I think Mullen is actually becoming a victim of his own success. Use to we didn't care. We just knew we would win in baseball and basketball and just wanted to be able to beat TSUN now and then in football.

So just realize what you might get when you guys are calling for Mullen's head and wanting Hud to replace him. I mean what has Hudspeth done anyway? He isn't proving anything ULLafayette. I suppose what's next is some will want to hire a girl's basketball coach. Bucky's offense won't be sustainable in the SEC and neither will Hud's. Mullen has his QB now and next year will be a huge year with Dak starting from the get go and having experience on the team. Also as I hear we will make a huge splash for a big time WR in recruiting. We are also in on a big time RB. So relax guys. This is the down year before we come back with vengance next year

Go Dawgs!

Beat the hell out of JFF

You lost me at "because of Mullen we tailgate". This shit is terrible.

I don't even know where to begin, so I won't.

So you saw passion at MSU tailgating before the last four years?

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So you saw passion at MSU tailgating before the last four years?

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Yes.

But that's only one of the ridiculous things you said. You need to stop before someone that cares enough decides to shred your post

So you think we had passion and cared for football during the Felker, Croom and hell even Sherrill. It improved with Jackie but still we cared more about baseball and basketball.

All I'm saying is us trying to win in football is sort of like TSUN trying in basketball and baseball. They were way way behind. Mainly because they didn't care. Now they do and they have gotten better but still way behind us when it comes to those sports (Ray will get us back to our rightful place). But the point is they have never had success in those sports so it's much harder to overcome that history. For us it is just with football.

So personally think Mullen has done a much better job than even is apparent by Bowl wins and win/lose record.

Sorry, but I'm not wasting my time arguing with you man. You are completely clueless about what you're talking about. Welcome to the board, but I'll let someone else take this one if they feel like it.

I guess unless you are a Negative Nancy here you don't like em?

Would you prefer me start a thread about how we need to fire Mullen and go after Petrino?

Yea let's fire Mullen in the middle of stadium expansion. Let's reset the fan base next year when we barely fill the stadium now. How will the next two years look like in our stadium with a rebuild going on? Espcecially with the increased seating capacity. What if Hud or Petrino don't succeed good enough? Do we pay another buyout and look again? There is something to be said about stability ya know. I mean one bad year and people are jumbping ship. We must stay the course! Don't faze now. You guys are letting Freeze and that pathetic fan base dictate to you guys what we should do and what our expectations should be.

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I guess unless you are a Negative Nancy here you don't like em?

Would you prefer me start a thread about how we need to fire Mullen and go after Petrino?

Yea let's fire Mullen in the middle of stadium expansion. Let's reset the fan base next year when we barely fill the stadium now. How will the next two years look like in our stadium with a rebuild going on? Espcecially with the increased seating capacity. What if Hud or Petrino don't succeed good enough? Do we pay another buyout and look again? There is something to be said about stability ya know. I mean one bad year and people are jumbping ship. We must stay the course! Don't faze now. You guys are letting Freeze and that pathetic fan base dictate to you guys what we should do and what our expectations should be.

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No dumbass, I would rather you start a thread that makes some damn sense. Just stop. I could pick your OP apart but it's been done a thousand times over the last week or two.

This has nothing to do with negative vs positive...it has to do with you not knowing what the hell you're talking about. Ok?

There is seriously so many things wrong with every one of your posts in this thread, that it would take hours to list them all.

I think a lot of our current unhappiness is due to our OOC schedule. At first, winning was winning. Now, we just don't get much satisfaction out of pounding SWAC teams or lower level Sunbelt teams, and beating Ky just isn't that rewarding.

So, now, once the creampuffs are gone, we are staring at Alabama, LSU, A&M etc. and nothing in between. All of a sudden our "big win" so far is Ky??

We need to schedule some OOC games we can win and still be proud of. It would help us a lot. Not Okla St. but not Alcorn St, either.

We need some positive vibes and we can't get those any more from beating cupcakes. Just can't. We can't impress recruits talking about that big win over Jackson St., either. Our losses suck, but our wins aren't much better, so where does that leave us?

Wow dumbass? I suppose that is ok talk on message boards nowadays huh?

This is one of our problems. We would rather infight and call each other dumbasses than all get behind Coach Mullen and this football team. You don't think those players know that we are trying to replace there coach? They see these type of things from boards like this. I mean it doesn't have to be all koolaid but sheesh.

So what do you think the problem is? If you can discuss with civility that is. Remeber I didn't name call.

Dan.... Is that you?

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So what do you think the problem is? If you can discuss with civility that is. Remeber I didn't name call.

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Well you can start with coaching then there's a lack of leadership and oh yea dont overlook VERY! POOR! COACHING!!!

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Wow dumbass? I suppose that is ok talk on message boards nowadays huh?

This is one of our problems. We would rather infight and call each other dumbasses than all get behind Coach Mullen and this football team. You don't think those players know that we are trying to replace there coach? They see these type of things from boards like this. I mean it doesn't have to be all koolaid but sheesh.

So what do you think the problem is? If you can discuss with civility that is. Remeber I didn't name call.

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The problem is this argument has occurred about a thousand times on this board in the last month. Nobody has the energy to keep saying the same shit like a Chatty Cathy doll. Quick summary. Nobody wants just Hud. It's Hud PLUS a complete overhaul in the compliance department AND the athletic department PLUS hiring 20+ new positions that MSU currently doesn't have. Welcome to the board and try to read a little at first before quickly jumping into posting the same subjects we've all already had 1,000 times over.

Yay, it's this thread again...

Tailgating - an MSU tradition since 2009!!1!1

Besides, anybody that was in their High School band and now has a computer with internet access obviously knows more about running a SEC athletic dept than a damn Yankee and the prodigal son in law. Just because they have spent their whole lives in this field and have steadily been promoted, doesn't mean they know what they are doing. *******

If it ain`t Dan, it`s close relative or department employee.

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Originally Posted by 4Dawgs4Life

I wonder if our fanbase realizes how far Mullen has actually brought our program. Think about the history of the football program. We have been mired in mediocrity or even less for the last 40 years. Other than the 98 season (a down year for several programs) you have to go all the way back to 1941 to find any meaningful success for football here. We have only been to 17 bowl games and Mullen is responsible for 3 of those. We had one of the smallest stadiums and lowest attendance in the league. Because of Mullen that has improved, DRASTICALLY! Because of Mullen we actually tailgate now, we show and have some passion now.

I realize with the great success Mullen has had that expectations and passion has risen. So I think Mullen is actually becoming a victim of his own success. Use to we didn't care. We just knew we would win in baseball and basketball and just wanted to be able to beat TSUN now and then in football.

So just realize what you might get when you guys are calling for Mullen's head and wanting Hud to replace him. I mean what has Hudspeth done anyway? He isn't proving anything ULLafayette. I suppose what's next is some will want to hire a girl's basketball coach. Bucky's offense won't be sustainable in the SEC and neither will Hud's. Mullen has his QB now and next year will be a huge year with Dak starting from the get go and having experience on the team. Also as I hear we will make a huge splash for a big time WR in recruiting. We are also in on a big time RB. So relax guys. This is the down year before we come back with vengance next year

Go Dawgs!

Beat the hell out of JFF

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Wow. Hud has proven EVERYTHING he needs to. This shows you have no idea what you are talking about. He'll have a big time job very soon. Also, he runs a run first spread offense, something that is very sustainable for an SEC team.

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Originally Posted by 4Dawgs4Life

I guess unless you are a Negative Nancy here you don't like em?

Would you prefer me start a thread about how we need to fire Mullen and go after Petrino?

Yea let's fire Mullen in the middle of stadium expansion. Let's reset the fan base next year when we barely fill the stadium now. How will the next two years look like in our stadium with a rebuild going on? Espcecially with the increased seating capacity. What if Hud or Petrino don't succeed good enough? Do we pay another buyout and look again? There is something to be said about stability ya know. I mean one bad year and people are jumbping ship. We must stay the course! Don't faze now. You guys are letting Freeze and that pathetic fan base dictate to you guys what we should do and what our expectations should be.

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Do you believe anything you have been saying or are you just trying to be cute and stir the pot?

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Wow. Hud has proven EVERYTHING he needs to. This shows you have no idea what you are talking about. He'll have a big time job very soon. Also, he runs a run first spread offense, something that is very sustainable for an SEC team.

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Uh he barely beat Troy last night. Did you watch that game? Heck without a KO return he doesn't win. Yea great offense! Dan slaughtered that D and Hud couldn't outscore em.

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Uh he barely beat Troy last night. Did you watch that game? Heck without a KO return he doesn't win. Yea great offense! Dan slaughtered that D and Hud couldn't outscore em.

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you're embarrassing yourself with every post. For your own good, just stop. I'm embarrassed for you.

Since we beat Florida in the Swamp in 2010, the only other teams to do it are South Carolina, Florida State, and Bama. Let that sink in. We can win big games with CDM.

We beat (destroyed) college footballs all time winningest program in the Gator Bowl.

We've beaten our in-state rival 3 out of 4.

We haven't had any embarrassing losses to Maine, Jacksonville State, Troy, etc... under CDM.

CDM is tied for most bowl wins ever at MSU.

Until last year, CDM had given us the longest active bowl won streak in the nation.

CDM has taken to three consecutive bowl games in only four years.

in the end, it's not the coach. It's the program that's holding us back. To take this myopic viewpoint that CDM is the only thing that impacts wins and losses is extremely narrow minded.

CDM + the Ninja ='d excellence. We need changes, but we're pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

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You lost me at "because of Mullen we tailgate". This shit is terrible.

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When I was at State tailgating was sitting in the back seat of your car eating a sandwich because you were too cheap to buy food in the stadium. I remember walking by DWS on Fridays and all you saw was big RV's where the Junction is now and everyone was inside watching Soaps on the TV. It has change a bunch over the past five years. There is way more excitement before games now then there was six years ago. It was a hard decision to pack up, drive two hours and watch Miss State when Croom was there. Not so much when JWS but every other coach other then Mullen and JWS it was a struggle to get motivated to go. You could buy season tickets every year if you wanted or you could skip a year and the next buy them. You lost your seating but you could buy tickets. Now if you let your season tickets go good luck getting them back. That's the fact.

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Since we beat Florida in the Swamp in 2010, the only other teams to do it are South Carolina, Florida State, and Bama. Let that sink in. We can win big games with CDM.

We beat (destroyed) college footballs all time winningest program in the Gator Bowl.

We've beaten our in-state rival 3 out of 4.

We haven't had any embarrassing losses to Maine, Jacksonville State, Troy, etc... under CDM.

CDM is tied for most bowl wins ever at MSU.

Until last year, CDM had given us the longest active bowl won streak in the nation.

CDM has taken to three consecutive bowl games in only four years.

in the end, it's not the coach. It's the program that's holding us back. To take this myopic viewpoint that CDM is the only thing that impacts wins and losses is extremely narrow minded.

CDM + the Ninja ='d excellence. We need changes, but we're pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

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You nailed it!!! Problems are greater that the head football coach.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

CDM + the Ninja ='d excellence. We need changes, but we're pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

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I agree with most of your post, but can we please stop with this, at least until someone can show me what Byrne did that Stricklin isn't?

And the reason we are light years behind most other SEC programs. For most of you then and now a football game is just an event to socialize. **** that. If I wanted to socialize I would spend my fall weekends staggering down bourbon street and the garden district, saving me time and gas money. This shitvartifudr is the reason I get yelled at for standing up and yelling on big plays. This same attitude provoked my response to call the "don't give a shitters" behind me that they needed to stop being pussies.

Why in the **** would ever you not give a shit if we were successful in football, because we were successful in other sports? **** that also. I want to be the best at everything. I know it's not possible but being complacent and satisfied with anything less than #1 is unacceptable. This bullshit attitude is the reason we remain amongst the have nots in SEC football.

I've only left one game early ever (12 egg bowl on Oxford) since I've been attending 8+ games a year, starting in 98. I stay because I have passion and want so badly to be a top half SEC program. Problem is, we only have a small portion of our fan base that wants it that bad. We still have too many "Saturday social" ***** fans to take that next step. The way I see it, it's going to be another 10-15 years to purge enough of these out of the stands and influential positions for us to take that next step. New mentality fans would have let Mullen know at end of last year that changes needed to be made on the coaching staff other than DC. Old mentality sits back and allows same shit to happen in 13. Any stagnant yr is a year more you fall behind and we are about to head into a 3rd straight yr of stagnation in 14, unless someone forced a change.

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And the reason we are light years behind most other SEC programs. For most of you then and now a football game is just an event to socialize. **** that. If I wanted to socialize I would spend my fall weekends staggering down bourbon street and the garden district, saving me time and gas money. This shitvartifudr is the reason I get yelled at for standing up and yelling on big plays. This same attitude provoked my response to call the "don't give a shitters" behind me that they needed to stop being pussies.

Why in the **** would ever you not give a shit if we were successful in football, because we were successful in other sports? **** that also. I want to be the best at everything. I know it's not possible but being complacent and satisfied with anything less than #1 is unacceptable. This bullshit attitude is the reason we remain amongst the have nots in SEC football.

I've only left one game early ever (12 egg bowl on Oxford) since I've been attending 8+ games a year, starting in 98. I stay because I have passion and want so badly to be a top half SEC program. Problem is, we only have a small portion of our fan base that wants it that bad. We still have too many "Saturday social" ***** fans to take that next step. The way I see it, it's going to be another 10-15 years to purge enough of these out of the stands and influential positions for us to take that next step. New mentality fans would have let Mullen know at end of last year that changes needed to be made on the coaching staff other than DC. Old mentality sits back and allows same shit to happen in 13. Any stagnant yr is a year more you fall behind and we are about to head into a 3rd straight yr of stagnation in 14, unless someone forced a change.

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I'm not blue hair but I think you need to grow up a little. I think you could make your point with out the F bomb.

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Since we beat Florida in the Swamp in 2010, thei only other teams to do it are South Carolina, Florida State, and Bama. Let that sink in. We can win big games with CDM.

We beat (destroyed) college footballs all time winningest program in the Gator Bowl.

We've beaten our in-state rival 3 out of 4.

We haven't had any embarrassing losses to Maine, Jacksonville State, Troy, etc... under CDM.

CDM is tied for most bowl wins ever at MSU.

Until last year, CDM had given us the longest active bowl won streak in the nation.

CDM has taken to three consecutive bowl games in only four years.

in the end, it's not the coach. It's the program that's holding us back. To take this myopic viewpoint that CDM is the only thing that impacts wins and losses is extremely narrow minded.

CDM + the Ninja ='d excellence. We need changes, but we're pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

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In the present, you don't let someone completely tear down the program before you make a change. All of last year everyone believed that we were saving something for Bama. We struggled to win against everyone but jsu. We weren't even competitive against all the teams with a heartbeat. I didn't go to any games in 2008 because I knew what it was going to be like with Croom.

Sometimes a coach just loses it and can't get it back. The team is fighting but this team lacks cohesion that a coach brings. Maybe Dan can't be head coach and call plays. It is like we don't have a head coach but an offensive coordinator filling in.

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Originally Posted by 4Dawgs4Life

I wonder if our fanbase realizes how far Mullen has actually brought our program. Think about the history of the football program. We have been mired in mediocrity or even less for the last 40 years. Other than the 98 season (a down year for several programs) you have to go all the way back to 1941 to find any meaningful success for football here. We have only been to 17 bowl games and Mullen is responsible for 3 of those. We had one of the smallest stadiums and lowest attendance in the league. Because of Mullen that has improved, DRASTICALLY! Because of Mullen we actually tailgate now, we show and have some passion now.

I realize with the great success Mullen has had that expectations and passion has risen. So I think Mullen is actually becoming a victim of his own success. Use to we didn't care. We just knew we would win in baseball and basketball and just wanted to be able to beat TSUN now and then in football.

So just realize what you might get when you guys are calling for Mullen's head and wanting Hud to replace him. I mean what has Hudspeth done anyway? He isn't proving anything ULLafayette. I suppose what's next is some will want to hire a girl's basketball coach. Bucky's offense won't be sustainable in the SEC and neither will Hud's. Mullen has his QB now and next year will be a huge year with Dak starting from the get go and having experience on the team. Also as I hear we will make a huge splash for a big time WR in recruiting. We are also in on a big time RB. So relax guys. This is the down year before we come back with vengance next year

Go Dawgs!

Beat the hell out of JFF

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Hey man, cadaver negotiated a truce. Lets honor that. You started a useless thread. Having said that, I can't resist saying this. While I agree with your ultimate point of keeping Mullen, your tailgate argument hurts the cause. It is such a bad argument that it drowns any other points you try to make. Lets stick to the ceasefire on this topic.

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I'm not blue hair but I think you need to grow up a little. I think you could make your point with out the F bomb.

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I am a blue hair. What the **** is wrong with F bombs? Cursing is an artistic exercise. While RougeDawg used the word liberally, he did use it correctly.

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Originally Posted by HunterDawg

I think a lot of our current unhappiness is due to our OOC schedule. At first, winning was winning. Now, we just don't get much satisfaction out of pounding SWAC teams or lower level Sunbelt teams, and beating Ky just isn't that rewarding.

So, now, once the creampuffs are gone, we are staring at Alabama, LSU, A&M etc. and nothing in between. All of a sudden our "big win" so far is Ky??

We need to schedule some OOC games we can win and still be proud of. It would help us a lot. Not Okla St. but not Alcorn St, either.

We need some positive vibes and we can't get those any more from beating cupcakes. Just can't. We can't impress recruits talking about that big win over Jackson St., either. Our losses suck, but our wins aren't much better, so where does that leave us?

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I like this. Why can't we schedule a team like this:

Arizona
Washington
Minnesota
Boston College
Virginia
Iowa State

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I like this. Why can't we schedule a team like this:

Arizona
Washington
Minnesota
Boston College
Virginia
Iowa State

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To some degree, you run the risk of them being better than they were when you scheduled them. Take GT for example...we just happened to get them for a couple of years when they were really good. Same with Oregon. You don't really run that risk with the teams from lower conferences...even if they're on an upswing, they're probably not going to be so good that they become a toss-up.

But I do agree. I would like to see us throw in a game or two a year against ok teams from BCS conferences...Maryland, Indiana, or the teams you mentioned.

Lambert and Hack get it!

Can folks discuss without the F words and name call?

Some if you just want to follow tsun example and they have nothing to do with our program. Let them do what they do and we will keep a relentless effort toward excellence! Remember Mullen drive that group to firing Nutt and made them rabid crazy. Now he's going to put that fake preacher in his place!

MSU 48
TSUN 14

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I am a blue hair. What the **** is wrong with F bombs? Cursing is an artistic exercise. While RougeDawg used the word liberally, he did use it correctly.

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It usually means you think like an insect. Normally when someone uses words like that in a sentence it means they are insecure with what they are saying and trying to mask it. You probably need to grow up as well.

Dan Mullen is not doing anything extraordinary that dozens of other coaches couldn't do at MSU. Going to a bowl game is not a reward for an extraordinary season any longer. Dan Mullen is capitalizing off 12 attempts to win 6 games, 4 of which are typically patsies. Throw in the wrinkle of 3 patsies vs the usual 4 and look at us worrying about bowl eligibility this year.

Does that mean I think we should fire Dan Mullen and go with someone else? No. We know what we have with Mullen and, assuming he works on his stubborn personality, he has the opportunity to improve on his weaknesses and potentially take us from bottom tier SEC program to middle of the pack. Then, we can sing high praises for Dan Mullen.

My point is - MSU has always been mediocre and we are still mediocre to this day. You are just getting the better rewards for mediocrity in 2013 and higher cost to play the game confused with actual improvement and greater success. We still are in our place and it's at the very bottom. Look it up.

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Since we beat Florida in the Swamp in 2010, the only other teams to do it are South Carolina, Florida State, and Bama. Let that sink in. We can win big games with CDM.

We beat (destroyed) college footballs all time winningest program in the Gator Bowl.

We've beaten our in-state rival 3 out of 4.

We haven't had any embarrassing losses to Maine, Jacksonville State, Troy, etc... under CDM.

CDM is tied for most bowl wins ever at MSU.

Until last year, CDM had given us the longest active bowl won streak in the nation.

CDM has taken to three consecutive bowl games in only four years.

in the end, it's not the coach. It's the program that's holding us back. To take this myopic viewpoint that CDM is the only thing that impacts wins and losses is extremely narrow minded.

CDM + the Ninja ='d excellence. We need changes, but we're pointing the fingers in the wrong direction.

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BRAVO!!

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

When I was at State tailgating was sitting in the back seat of your car eating a sandwich because you were too cheap to buy food in the stadium. I remember walking by DWS on Fridays and all you saw was big RV's where the Junction is now and everyone was inside watching Soaps on the TV. It has change a bunch over the past five years. There is way more excitement before games now then there was six years ago. It was a hard decision to pack up, drive two hours and watch Miss State when Croom was there. Not so much when JWS but every other coach other then Mullen and JWS it was a struggle to get motivated to go. You could buy season tickets every year if you wanted or you could skip a year and the next buy them. You lost your seating but you could buy tickets. Now if you let your season tickets go good luck getting them back. That's the fact.

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The Junction was designed in 05 and looked identical to current form when I was there in 07. It may be "new" -- but it isn't Dan Mullen new -- and giving him credit for it is ridiculous.

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And the reason we are light years behind most other SEC programs. For most of you then and now a football game is just an event to socialize. **** that. If I wanted to socialize I would spend my fall weekends staggering down bourbon street and the garden district, saving me time and gas money. This shitvartifudr is the reason I get yelled at for standing up and yelling on big plays. This same attitude provoked my response to call the "don't give a shitters" behind me that they needed to stop being pussies.

Why in the **** would ever you not give a shit if we were successful in football, because we were successful in other sports? **** that also. I want to be the best at everything. I know it's not possible but being complacent and satisfied with anything less than #1 is unacceptable. This bullshit attitude is the reason we remain amongst the have nots in SEC football.

I've only left one game early ever (12 egg bowl on Oxford) since I've been attending 8+ games a year, starting in 98. I stay because I have passion and want so badly to be a top half SEC program. Problem is, we only have a small portion of our fan base that wants it that bad. We still have too many "Saturday social" ***** fans to take that next step. The way I see it, it's going to be another 10-15 years to purge enough of these out of the stands and influential positions for us to take that next step. New mentality fans would have let Mullen know at end of last year that changes needed to be made on the coaching staff other than DC. Old mentality sits back and allows same shit to happen in 13. Any stagnant yr is a year more you fall behind and we are about to head into a 3rd straight yr of stagnation in 14, unless someone forced a change.

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That is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read on a message board.

"being complacent and satisfied with anything less than #1 is unacceptable"

You are going to have a long, hard life buddy. I feel sorry for anyone that knows you.

George Carlin and I disagree.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Since we beat Florida in the Swamp in 2010, the only other teams to do it are South Carolina, Florida State, and Bama. Let that sink in. We can win big games with CDM.

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You do realize just how damn close you are to having to include another name on this list don't you? It was a Florida miracle to escape with that win. And that was a Sugar Bowl Florida. http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=323150057