Looks like we will be getting the scraps next year when after all of the big boys take who they want.
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Looks like we will be getting the scraps next year when after all of the big boys take who they want.
There'll most likely be someone else that is good. Whoever is making the hire needs to do their homework tho. May wanna throw the bank at Satterfield.
I'm not a huge Norvell fan unless he would retain Shoop. He needs a really good DC and not sure he will get one.
If Norvell really has some skeletons in his closet the Clarion-Ledger would expose them if he was our coach. I’m glad he’s not going to Ole Miss and I’m glad he is going up against Mullen.
If Napier is the scrap- I’ll take it.
We weren't getting him anyway. FSU trumps us.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Yes, they would. So would the Daily Journal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
That is funny. There will be plenty coaches available. Coaches don't stay in one place long any longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Scraps, Please.
Napier
Highly doubt he's there next offseason, but maybe we are lucky.
The issue isn't that we weren't getting Norvell this year, it's that Norvell won't be available next coaching cycle because FSU just got him, thus the next best G5 HC moves up to #1.
Let's say App State does really good again next year, well he's probably going to be a high target to poach. Similarly, if Napier continues doing what he's doing he'll be highly sought after. But who else? Mid level P5's like Iowa State, Baylor, and Minnesota seem to be doing a better job of locking down their coaches with big buyouts that I'm not sure Blue Bloods can afford time they buy out their existing coaches. That means the FSU's, Miamis (If Diaz sucks again next year they might pull the trigger), USC's, etc will poach from the G5 more.
Napier is, quite frankly, a uniquely good fit for us on paper. He's an offensive guy that can call his own plays and make our budget go further, he's a great recruiter, he knows the SEC, and he's recruited our territory. Will he be available next year, or would say, Texas hire him if Herman bombs? Would OU take him if Reilly leaves for the NFL? Would Auburn hire him if Gus goes 7-5?
We will NEVER be able to get the top G5 coaches. We will -with the exception of maybe Clawson- never be able to poach an existing P5 HC that we actually want because P5 teams are locking them down as soon as they have success. That leaves 1) retreads, and 2) G5 coaches the top programs past up. I guess 3) an FCS HC ala KState.
Napier might not excite the fan base the way Kiffin has excited the Rebels, but Napier seems like a perfect fit for us.
The Rebs I have seen aren't that excited.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
There simply aren't that many HCs that can win 3-5 games in the SEC regularly. Like really though, I keep hearing how Hud, Norvell, Napier, Clark, Satterfield, Neil Brown, Jason Candle, Dave Clawson and others are "damn good coaches" who we would regret not hiring, but history shows that most of them would flop in the SEC. Hell, of the Moorhead-Morris-Pruitt-Taggart hiring cycle Pruitt is the only one that should have made it to year 3, not succeed, make it to year 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
It's hard as hell to get a good coach. If "Scraps" ="not a proven guy who seems like a good fit for us", then we very well may get "scraps", even if those coaches are proven but not a good fit or a good fit but not proven. Joe was neither lol
Some of y?all don?t seem to understand we have a sitting head coach.
Seriously? This is as excited as I've seen their fanbase since the Treadwell recruiting cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Who will be gone at the end of next season unless he suddenly learns how to coach better than he has his first 2 seasons. I hope he turn into the next Nick Saban, even if he leaves us as soon as he can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
Every year there is someone. Also I was beginning to have some doubt about Shoop but he coached one hell of a football game in the Egg Bowl. Made me feel better about him. My opinion, that was the best coaching job he has done at State.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
yeah, I got Rebs blowing my phone up all excited todayQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
It's always a gamble when hiring the majority of coaches in the Sec. Scrapes isn't a good so call word I would say, it's more about who fits where and with who.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Well....Norvell couldn’t pass the Vetting process by our crack shot Administration. No worries!! Florida State will regret this!!********Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Maybe so ... but I like Bama in TTown last year myself. In right environment, Shoop can coach. He had Vandy in top 20 2 years in a row ... then just outside top 20 in 3rd year, had PSU at #2 and 14 in 2 successive years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Pretty crazy. We could have had Norvell instead of Mo, but we were scared. Now he's going to FSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogsofAnarchy
Not the ones I'm around, at least not yet. Since they actually did it I'm sure they will get in line, but to say there were less than excited would be an understatement.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I'm watching the AAC game right now. Meh. He may win but that defense.....sheesh. Cincy had less than a minute and they are knocking on the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Yes, and one that kept that job because a player pretended to piss in our EZ. We beat a shitty OM team by 1. He will be gone after next year because he cannot compete against quality teams.*Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
*Unless we win the Egg again after looking terribly unprepared all season bc that means more than anything doesn’t it Cohen?
They shut it. Pretty good ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Whoops too soon, they still may.
are you over 50?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
He's a closet Reb ... they his buds.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Harumph
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Originally Posted by basedog
They did shut it. Good for Tiger High.
Yes. The ones I'm around are every age though. It's freaking Lane Kiffen people. USC is my second team. I've been aware of the GOAT BoY longer than almost all of you. I just laughed when my Rebel buddy told me they were going to hire him a couple of days ago. The Goat leaves wreckage at every major program he touches.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
You must not Twitter...Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Yeah coach, I bet that was all your UM buddies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
My OM buddies think hes better than Luke, can get them to z bowl, but none are just crazy about it.
That may be true...nearing a decade ago, but to say he hasn't changed at least a little bit is just fluff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Now I'm not saying he terrifies me, but he will absolutely have something to prove at OM. He will be extremely motivated. Not saying that will absolutely translate to wins, but it definitely has the potential to.
I expect him to recruit pretty well, if nothing else because OM and the network are now motivated in a way they haven't been since pre-NCAA-Freeze.
And why the **** is USC your second team, lol?
Where did I say we were getting him? Once again reading comprehension escapes you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Let me simply the post for those with reading comprehension issues.
This year there will not be much of a coaching carousel. Next year looks to be a lot more coaching changes. This is the year to make a move if we know a move will be made this year, next year or the following year. There will be fewer proven coaches available for us after this year.
Hence. Next year when many other, more coveted positions open up, we will not have the pool of potential head coaches. Next year there will be more competition, which will decrease our chances of landing the best option and most likely raising the costs of making any move. If money was an issue this year, it will cost more next year to make the same move. Does this now make sense. Thought most of this was basic common sense.
That's just a formality. He will be gone after next season. And that's why he needed to be gone now, because you don't delay the inevitable in this business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
Bubb with the troofQuote:
Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb
Yep cfb is an arms race if you're sitting still you're falling behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb
Surely Venables will want to be a head coach at some point. I know Jeff Scott will. Of course Brent makes 2 mill a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
But we have to let the endorphin-high of beating a 4-8 team wear off before we can make such a rash decision.**Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb
Meanwhile, the arms race in the SECW is getting tougher....but we've got memories to think about!