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I think they're too high on our defense, but pretty cool to see us listed that high.
They really like tenn's offense
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I think they're too high on our defense, but pretty cool to see us listed that high.
They really like tenn's offense
DL has always been plug and play for us. I couldn't tell you the last time we had a weak DL. So even though we lose every starter, I'm not worried. We return 3 bigtime LBs for us. Return Dantzler and Smitherman for the outside CBs. Have a lot of talent to replace the two safeties we lost. It makes sense. Dropping from otherworldly level at #1 to back to a normal elite top 7. Makes sense if you look at it as pods of teams. 1-7 come across as interchangeable with this metric.
I'm telling ya, if Tommy Tippy is a level better than Fitz at pushing the ball down the field, this team will be better than last year's.
QB - better
RB - better and better used
WR - Better
OL - equal
DL - worse
LB - better
Secondary - equal
Punter - better
Kicker - equal
I think equal in secondary is to be determined. Abram is a big lossQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
DL was by far the strength of our team last year and it goes to probably one of the biggest question marks on the whole team. Simmons and sweat were a freakish combo. We won't have that that insane inside/outside combo... how much did those 2 help our back end? Hard to say, but I do think they did
I think our fans forget that other teams lose players too. Or they overvalue the other teams players.
Our season isn't decided on whether our defense is as good as last year's or (probably) not. If we take care of business the first four games and then find a way to beat Auburn we are going to potentially have a special season.
People forget that Courtney Rivers, Kobe, Spencer, and Adams have been productive when they played. Autry may be a day three pick and is a solid senior at DT. And while we lack experience at DT we have several former four star guys there- Lovett, Pickering, and Crumedy. So there is talent there and they will be flanked by guys with experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So while we won't be Sweat and Simmons good we won't fall off the face of the Earth either. And we have the linebackers who we can blitz and use to apply pressure more to take some heat off of the defensive line. We'll see if Shoop does it.
Dan has persistent common sense issues with personnel where he didn't take advantage of our talent or strengths usually to play someone like Zach Jackson or Kivon Coman who was an upperclassman. We'll see if Shoop has better common sense.
Cole is better than Abrams. Watch how many more game changing plays he makes this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm not sure if he's anywhere close to the same type of tackler or has the instincts, but he is absolutely more explosiveQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I'm a big believer in Cole too. And Landrews and Morgan were solid last year. I can see Cole getting more INT's than Abram for sure. Not sure about big hits though!Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I'm curious to see how much we get out of Marcus Murphy and Jarrion Jones next year as far as our secondary goes. Both could be key reserves.
They should be pretty high. We've got somewhere around 8 starters on our defense that are gonna get drafted before they leave MSU. This unit is talented.
I think our fan base is overreacting to the regression. Oh yeah we won't be the best defense. Maybe not Top 30. That's just nuts. We lost 3 guys who were freaking solid. Yes they will be missed and we won't have the defensive line disrupters that Simmons and Sweat were. But we had very talented guys not getting reps because of talented guys in front of them.
Best LB group in the SEC. Secondary improved as a whole and potentially a Top 5 CB in the country in a Dantzler. DL
Won't be as talented but we've got talented youth. Plus Rivers is really good. Gonna help set the edge and contain offenses.
I will be shocked if we aren't a Top 25 defense. And our offense being better will help some too.
Yeah ...he is better than a 1st rounder..okQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Watch the games before his injury. Abrams wasn't making those explosive plays it was Cole. Cole only played 3 1/4 games and rated 80% defensive grade by pro football focus in 2 of those games. He also had 3 sacks in 3 games along with an interception. Abrams had 3 sacks the entire year after moving to the Star position with 2 interceptions. Cole is a bigger, more athletic, and faster Pig Prather with the ability to cover.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Our LBs aren't better than Bama'sQuote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
I still have that vision of the walk-on cutting right thru the middle of our defense in the spring game with Autry and Lovett at DT.
Our young DT's have to grow up in a hurry. I really like our back 7 though.
What? As a group they are. Leo is the only probable. I wouldn't trade Errol or Willie for anybody in the SEC. If Leo ever plays to his potential the group would be the best in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yes they are and I've heard multiple folks that know the SEC say that our LB group is the best LB group in the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We've got 3 insanely good LBs. All 3 get drafted this year if they enter the draft and I would guess they all get drafted day 1 or 2.
And as a matter of fact I've not heard one taking head mention Bama's LB group as being the best. Us or Georgia are the groups people are mentioning.
Moses is the best lb in the sec. I'll take Jennings, Moses, and Lewis over our guys all day, every day... and I like our guys, but come on maneQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I wouldn't trade Erroll, Willie or Leo Lewis with any trio in the country when you also consider the experience factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Here's something to think about. Remember 2014 when we could obviously tell when the 1B defense was in because there was an obvious drop off? Did anyone notice when the back-ups were in on defense last year? I didn't. Most of those guys are back. People can say "yeah- but we're going to miss Cory Thomas"- meh. He was a good player but he's not irreplaceable.
I think Leo could be in for a big year. Especially if we do indeed ask him to blitz even more. I know some people are going to say that they've been "disappointed in his career" but he has been a very solid contributor for us and a starter for most of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
You would take someone else's players over our players no matter what the position.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I haven't forgotten how much you pumped up Ta'Amuu.
Walterfootball draft preview has the Jennings, Moses, and Lewis as the top 3 outside lbs for the 2020 draft. Gay at #5
https://www.walterfootball.com/draft2020OLB.php
At inside, they list Moses and Jennings over Thompson
https://www.walterfootball.com/draft2020ILB.php
Tell us again how you feel about fitz...Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I feel like he was better than Ta'Amuu.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And you wouldn't have traded him for tua, I'm sure. Look our LBs are BAs... really good, but bama's are better. There's no shame in thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
That's the same guy that had Dre'Mont Jones from Ohio State 4th at DT in his projections for 2019. Ahead of Simmons. Jones went 3rd round and we know where Simmons went.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I would have traded Fitz for Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I wouldn't trade our LB's for Bama's because it's a push at best and Errol was rated the second highest LB analytically by pro football focus behind only Devin White of LSU who was a first round pick himself. Walter Football is hardly accurate- especially at this point in the year.
Pick any mock you want and tell me where they fall. Tell you what.... I'll say 2 of theirs go before one of ours for a permanent ban bet. Moses is a given.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
I guess I don't understand why you want to ban so many people? You do this all the time. You just want the board by yourself? Can you not have a discussion and a little disagreement without taking it to a permanent ban?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I just don't understand why people feel the need to have a dick measuring contest like this on a board with a bunch of people they don't know or haven't met in person.
It's a message board man. You need to take a break.
Well give me oneQuote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
To be fair though, it's a sucker bet. Saban only takes prototype nfl LBs. Their measurables alone will get them drafted for the most part. College production would be your best bet to outperform them, but that's hardly a given.
What makes Moses better than Errol? Jennings stays hurt along with Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Longer and faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I think we somewhat hold our own 1-2 on a college field assuming gay progresses like I expect. It's after that that they really separate. They have 3-4 guys as good or better than Leo
I agree that Leo hasn't played the best in comparison. However, he's been available which the Bama players have not beenQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Jury is still out on Leo. He’s not exactly the quickest and doesn’t attack ball carriers like he should (last year). We really need him to be outstanding this year. I’m assuming he will be extremely focused and physical. This is his pro career at stake.
We are going to be good on defense. No doubt about it. But we wont be as good at Safety and DT. Nor will we get close to the 39 sacks we amassed in 2018.
And again- the analytics at pro football focus say that Moses wasn't better than Errol.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Too much looking at the logo on the jersey for some of these "experts" it appears.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The defense will be good, but we wont be wreaking havoc up front like we were last year. And THAT is what made us the #1 defense. We mauled people at the point of attack all year. We lost our 3 biggest reasons we were able to do that. Again, we will be fine on D, but I just can't see how we dont take a step back.
I love PFF for nfl, but I'm not so sure about their college ratings. PFF's top 50 on April 1, 2019, had sweat at #46 with aj brown and dk Metcalf top 20Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pffs-...fe02f60a24060d
You agree with them?
Only because of the logo on their jersey. You, like many of our fans, need to realize that the jersey doesn?t make the player. So many just assume their players are better at every position. That?s not at all the case. I will never forget our o-line punishing their d-line in 2017. Punishing. As in physically dominating them in the second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
NFL teams took Alabama and Clemson players before Simmons and we all know who the best is.
I always wondered why guys like josh Allen (Wyoming) and Carson wentz (ndsu) went top 10. Obviously it was the logo on their helmets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell