Lots of highs and lows but all in all I'm actually pretty pleased. He has been around, he's a good recruiter, and he is from me and has recruited the state a lot.
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Lots of highs and lows but all in all I'm actually pretty pleased. He has been around, he's a good recruiter, and he is from me and has recruited the state a lot.
So is it a done deal
Steve seems to think so
Terrible
He moves around a lot. He definitely fits the bill for us!!
I'm actually good with the hire.
He recruited Pickering and some of the Oak Grove guys.
This is the reaction I'm seeing from the majority of the authoritative posters. Could you help the melting majority understand why you're good with the hire? ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
He has MS ties, he's coached in the SEC, & he's a good recruiter. Outside of Bo Davis I don't think there would've been a hire met with overwhelmingly support.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotCoJoMo
I'm sure he knows MS recruiting and there's nothing saying he's not a good coach.
HOWEVER, I will say that he went 3 years at SC, wasn't retained by Muschamp when he got to town, and then hasn't been able to land a good job since. Baker was thought of highly enough after 2 years at State to get retained, and highly enough after 3 to get poached by Bama. Deke was at SC for 3 years- why wasn't that enough time to show he's a good DL coach? That's my only question. He'll probably do a better job here since he knows the recruiting land better
Those MS ties May, see TBuck, keep him focus on this job vs the next great job. Unless it's a HC position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Meh.
Muschamp brought in Lance Thompson who had coached at 4 other SEC schools & was considered 1 of the best recruiters in the nation. He went from South Carolina to North Carolina not like he dropped down to Jacksonville St.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
ETA: Thompson was gone from South Carolina after 3yrs too.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I like 90% of what you say but not this. No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Pretty sure he coached at East Carolina for a year between USCe and UNC 2nd stintQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Again most coaches typically aren't retained when a new staff takes over.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Outside of Bo Davis every name for DL coach was going to be a mixture of hate it or love it.
If they're thought highly of they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
But that's just one part of my post: Why was ECU the best offer he could get? Why did it take 2 years to get an offer at a P5 school (UNC)? Why was he not retained my Mack Brown, and why was Memphis the best offer he could get till we came along? It doesn't seem like the football world thinks very highly of him. Again I'm not down on the hire per se or am I trying to say he won't be great, just that it's a concern
I'm indifferent. I think he'll fine. He did OK at South Carolina and USM and the other programs weren't in good shape and I highly doubt the DL coach was solely the reason for that at North Carolina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
If he doesn't work out we fire him next year and get someone else. It is what it is.
Fair post and good questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Not necessarily. See Todd Grantham with MSU last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Sometimes people have to take the best job they can get. Manny Diaz had to go to La Tech after MSU and Texas before going to MSU and Miami.
Most head coaches want to bring in their guys that they know well and are comfortable with and typically only keep one or two guys for continuity usually for recruiting purposes. North Carolina hired Tom Cross to replace Deke Adams- and Cross is a coach that has been with Mack Brown before. Just like Lance Thompson who replaced Adams at South Carolina and had coached with Will Muschamp before as well.
It just happens that way sometimes. Brian Baker was coaching HS football, Dameyune Craig spent last season as a Quality Control Coach, & Lance Thompson is at the house right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
What if Shoop wanted him?
Lol...then Shoop don’t know as much as some posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barking 13
Seems like a solid hire to me. That loser USC coach before Muschamp...Spurrhead? Sparkle? Spu-something....anyway, doubt he could remotely recognize coaching ability either.
Good assistants cost $$$.... Cohen don?t play that game.
We hired Baker away from a high schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
So you think Spurrier is a "loser coach"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgowar
It was a Texas High School too.**Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
I'm trusting Shoop on this one. Sometimes folks need a different environment or something that rejuvenates them. Baker became a "great" DL coach with Shoop and I think Shoop had a lot to do with that. Baker was pretty good anyway but ... just saying he took it up another level with Shoop. Plus, you can't argue with the talent Baker had.
What pissed me off so much about Baker leaving was where he went, who he went to work for, and how it all went down. Can't stand that little sawed-off midget. Used to have some respect for him, but have lost it all now.
Also, I just think coaching continuity matters somewhat. In team sports, whether it's the players, coaches or whatever, team chemistry matters. And our D staff had good chemistry from what Shoop has said previously.
We matched offers on all assistants we lost, and with Baker even exceeded what he was offered is my understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
While we need to pay them, I can understand Cohen not wanting to break the bank until someone has proven themselves somewhat ... since most anyone we get are either up-and-comers or have question marks on their resumes. Once they prove themselves, like Baker, then re-up their contract and make it a good one ... which is what I think Cohen did.
I kind of look at it like the Head Coach Rehab system Saban has going on at Bama with his off-field staff. Saban is out their pulling guys off the trash heap and using them for game planning, or coordinators left and right - and everyone calls him a genius. Almost all those guys were considered "great" at one point and flamed out at somewhere along the line. Sark is going thru a second time because he sucked so bad with the Falcons. We are just doing it with position level coaches. As long as we have continuity at the top, I think we will be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I agree OC & DC are the main guys for continuity purposes. D staff isn't that important but I do believe continuity in O staff is a plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Saban is not a genius although he is very good on the D side of the ball. He's a good CEO type too from an organization/process standpoint, and very good recruiter. He has to have superior talent tho. If the playing field was level in all areas ... Saban would be better than average but not always at the top of the heap. He'd probably have 2 to 3 nattys instead of what he has. Game has evolved from his core philosophies on offense and that's a challenge to him. Far superior talent and SEC refs making a difference in 3 or so games a year where Bama is challenged from a talent/coaching standpoint is keeping him at the very top.
He played it with Baker and Huff..Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Do you mean the guy Memphis just hired earlier this month?
https://www.commercialappeal.com/sto...ll/2463247002/
https://twitter.com/CoachDekeAdams/s...68515928776706
That narrative also doesn’t hold true if the stories of what we offered Grantham are true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
It’s not a narrative. We offered to extend Huff through 2021 or 2022 and pay rise. We counter offered Baker even after the new contract extension with higher money than Bama originally offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
USC and UNC fans think the guy's awful. USC and UNC have both been weak in the trenches under him, and this doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. I hear he's a good recruiter, but you need people who can actually coach too.
This makes it even more depressing. They just did'nt want to be at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Rb coach - we have a glaring hole coming up at the position. Bama will have an endless supply of 5-stars. Probably a good time for huff to bolt to keep the hype up from Barkley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Dl coach - we have some really good ends with major question marks on the inside. Again, he'll have nothing but elite talent at Bama. This season was probably the peak of baker's stock at state.