No way we could get this lucky and keep Simmons another year....
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No way we could get this lucky and keep Simmons another year....
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No chance
But, if he did, it would be a game changer for us on D next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
No question.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I'm not expecting him to come back but I will be very happy if he does.
Absolutely it would. I'd move 6-8 wins next season to 7-9. I think Simmons is worth another winQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Don't get excited.
I'd love it, but Jeff needs to get paid.
Don't need a DK Metcalf deal.
It does not seem likely. But this defensive tackle is really deep. What is the difference over 5 years between being a 2020 top 5 pick and a 2019 mid first rounder?
Seems like he should probably go pro either way, start working on that second pro contract.
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Injured going into the draft, going to cost Metcalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yep, it's one of the deepest d-line drafts of all time. He is a True Junior so I could see it. Clemson had a couple of guys come back. I would advise Simmons to enter the draft if he is guaranteed to be a 1st rounder. I'm still in disbelief that Chris Jones fell to the 2nd round. Huge mistake by a lot of GM's.
I was confused because DK was a junior this year. Got ya though.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Although in his case we'll see how much it hurts him. He still may go where he is projected.
Todd, he is better than AJ, but GM's are going to look long and hard at a neck injury that ended his season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No question.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
At the same time if you are Simmons I think GM's are going to take a look at his past in high school- fair or not- and then there is the fact that there are a ton of DL prospects this year that don't have that issue. So, if he did by 35% chance come back and get injured I would imagine he would probably be taken about in the same spot as he might be projected to this year. Coming back with a presumably thinner DL class may make some financial sense. It all depends on how the NFL views his past.
If he returns and has an even bigger season next year, he could be a candidate for the #1 pick in the 2020 draft, if that's something that appeals to him.
He's the best Dlineman in this draft. But there are a lot of others that are close and will probably be drafted higher for various reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
If he played for Bama or Clemson he?d be #1 pick. But in reality I?d take our DL over Clemson any day. Been saying this since Clemson looked pedestrian in College Station opening weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Something seems odd about this entire deal.
I think he should come back take out an insurance policy and play his way to the number one or two pick next year. In some ways I agree he should go if he is a first rd grade (which he will) but a productive 19 season sets him up for a top 5 pick next year plus four years removed from the incident. Their is a shit ton of difference in $& for a top 5 pick and Mid first rd pick
I just can't see him not going in the first round. He's been a model student and model citizen his entire career at State.
He's maybe the best DL ever at State. I haven't looked at but one mock draft but I suspect most of them have him going first round.
As long as he's pretty sure to go 1st round he should go. If we were poised to compete for a championship next year, I could see him maybe wanting to be a part of that. But what is he going to show scouts next year that he didn't show them this year?
if I'm his agent, I tell him to wait until after the bowl game so that the focus will be on the team..he is clearly the leader on this team and in his career, he has always put the team first.... I think it's a class move and the type of thing he needs to do to offset the grief he is going to take for what happened when he was a senior.
The only way I think we get him back is if someone is advising him to put a little more time between him and the HS incident. Maybe the Kareem hunt deal makes him or his advisors scared to come out this year. I don't see it though.
Yeah I hate it for him....I really hope that isn't the reason but it could be....Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
1st or 2nd round.....he gone. Later, then maybe think it through a bit more.
Our Dline is better than any other in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
There is no way fells into the 3rd or lower. He is projected as a 1st round pick and potentially top 10 pick and that is before the scouts get a close up look at his agility in workouts and the combine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pit Bull
That's 2 hooks in this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
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In my opinion, Ezsoil has the correct answer. Simmons is working off the "Do the opposite of what Dan Mullen did every bowl season"; which is not to take the focus away from the team and make it all about yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
Not saying he comes back, but don't forget he ELECTED not to have his senior night this year. He was given the choice.
The first contract ain't the one, it's getting to free agency a year earlier. No reason Simmons can't hit the NFL like cox and jones did, and that extra year of free agency would more than make up for whatever the difference in pick money for sticking around an extra year. Plus he'd be risking dropping for any of number of reaslistic scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkerhill
As for this being a deep DT class, it is, but Simmons is at or near the top of the heap according to everything I've seen, so no reason for him to worry about his draft stock.
The smart, logical decision is to be patient and wait for your draft grade before your jump to a conclusion. So that's what Jeffrey is doing. He isn't making any assumptions about his draft stock and announcing it to the team and coaching staff. But as soon as that draft grade comes back as a top 50 pick he gone.
Tua is gonna be the #1 pick in 2020. Or another QB. Super deep QB class and we are in a lull this year with a weak QB class and only a few teams really looking for a QB (most everyone either has their guy or a young guy that they have hitched their wagon to for now and aren't looking to bring him another high pick to create problems). Next year should be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Agent, family, coaches, whoever aren't who he should listen to about the HS incident. NFL GMs will let him know if the incident is still a problem and whether 1 more year will make a difference (I don't think it would because he's been a model student athlete for 3 years, repeating that a 4th year ain't proving anything he ain't already proven).Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dawgday166 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
If Simmons isn?t a top 10-20 pick in 1st round in 2019 draft, it?s a total fell by all GM?s. He?s a beast and got double teamed a ton this yr. We?ve got more great defensive players in the league presently than ever before. If GM?s don?t get the fact that MSU guys have been panning out well they need to get their head out of the sand!Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Heard from multiple people that there's a significant chance he returns. He's got people very close to him encouraging him to finish school. If it's a situation where he's slotted mid to late first round and knows he'll be a lottery pick next year, it's smarter to stay one more year. The DT/DL class is crazy deep this year.
Told he doesn't know what he's going to do yet. So yeah, there's a chance...
Yeah, I believe you, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. For my sake more than anything lol. Him returning would be huge next year, but I just don't see how you can turn that kind of money down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I agree. In the end, I think he goes and probably should, but it's fun to think about how good he'd be if he came back. It could be a Simmon's for Heisman type season.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2018/04/27/2018-nfl-draft-1st-round-rookie-salary-projections-what-mayfield-barkley-and-darnold-will-make/#c06905445814Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Here is the nfl rookie slots for 2018 picks. Simmons might be able to sneak into the back half of the top 10 this year and probably won't improve his stock next year even with another great season (as deep as DL is this year, there are very few skill position guys on offense projected as 1st round picks too, so the draft is gonna be defensive heavy anyway, and Simmons is projected towards the top of the DL heap). So even if he's project at say the middle to back of the 1st round, he'd have to climb into the top 10 to really change the $$$ he's gonna get in any significant way. Then you figure if he has a good head and good advisors, he'll be investing a sizable chunk of that signing bonus, so he'll be gaining interest for a year. Then figure he'll hit free agency 1 year earlier and if he pans out like cox and jones have, he'll be looking at a ~$15+M/year deal at that point (maybe $20M+ with salary cap increases), so you take around $3-5M less spread out over the life of the rookie contract, but between interest gained on investing and an extra year of free agency, he would more than make up for coming out early even if he only projects as a mid-late 1st round pick. And then combine that with no guarantee to improve his stock and a reasonable projection that he could hurt it by becoming stale to NFL scouts even if he doesn't drop off in production significantly or maybe production dips without sweat splitting the OL's attention or a strong offensive skill position draft in 2020 after teams loaded up on early DL picks in 2019 pushes him down the board, and there's really not a financial reason to come back.
Now he could just want to comeback regardless of financial reasons, and that's his decision to make, but (assuming he maintains his 1st round grade and stays healthy) anyone that thinks he'd be financially better off coming back in hopes of improving his rookie contract is wrong.