"Is Nick better in Practice?".... Moorhead w/o hesitation.. "Yes"

You may not like it... but it is what it is.

You may listen to the question at 13:19.....

I suspect fans heard the same things about Jalen Hurts and Kelly Bryant.

In any event, Key would almost have to try to throw 4 picks and 4 completions in 3+ quarters.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

You may not like it... but it is what it is.

You may listen to the question at 13:19.....

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Do you even have a breaking point with Fitz? How awful must he play before you want to see Key? He passed awful awhile ago btw.

Do you really expect him to say that he has been not playing a player that has been better in practice?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Do you really expect him to say that he has been not playing a player that has been better in practice?

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If anything, it seems like a walk back of the narrative that there was a "huge gap" between the two in practice.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Do you really expect him to say that he has been not playing a player that has been better in practice?

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Matt inferred yesterday that he?s seen both in practice and that Fitz is clearly the best option of the two, but he also said Madkin was a terrible practice player but would get on the field and make plays on game day. He said it?s time to give him a few series. I agree.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

You may not like it... but it is what it is.

You may listen to the question at 13:19.....

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??? What's your point? I sing great and hit every note in the shower. It doesn't mean i'm a singer ready for the audience.

Do we get credit in games for competitions in practice? Does practice count on our W-L record? Do 60k people show up to watch practice?

Then Moorhead needs to ask himself what's the disconnect between practice and an actual game.

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Originally Posted by codeDawg

Matt inferred yesterday that he?s seen both in practice and that Fitz is clearly the best option of the two, but he also said Madkin was a terrible practice player but would get on the field and make plays on game day. He said it?s time to give him a few series. I agree.

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exactly. if fitz, who has started 30 games in his career isn't clearly better than Key who has 2 starts and one half of actual gametime under his belt, I would be worried. Fitz could be an entirely different player after 5 consecutive games starting and that is what I want to see. I want to see it prior to next year being 17ed up because of the learning curve of the first 5 games of a starter. Three losses before November means this season is already fallen way short of our goals, might as well use it to curb Key's 5 game learning curve. Also, some players do not look like ball stars at practice, but when the lights are on they thrive. I want Key's light to come on by using these 5 games as opposed to next years first 5 games.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Then Moorhead needs to ask himself what's the disconnect between practice and an actual game.

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Cause Fitz is throwing against a scout team, not live action #1s.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

If anything, it seems like a walk back of the narrative that there was a "huge gap" between the two in practice.

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Yeah seemed that way to me also. Fits balled out against Louisville last year. Wonder how his practices were before that game? Also, you have to wonder as a sophomore coming off his freshman year where practices were very strict and organized under Mullen to Moorheads, who by all accounts are more laid back, if that’s impacting his practice reps.

Valid point. KT might be playing against our first team D...poor guy

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Do you even have a breaking point with Fitz? How awful must he play before you want to see Key? He passed awful awhile ago btw.

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I want to see Key as well but I don't want to turn my back on Fitz. My son however says bench is ass. In a little bit nicer wording. There is something going on with fitz mentally and he has to shake it fast or he will be on the bench.

Fitz said in his post game interview, they do better in practice with the passing game. Then he said, but that is going against scout team and not really full speed. When you speed the game up, it changes everything.

Moorhead said there's no longer a huge difference between the two. And THIS is why I've call BS on this whole "whoever practices best plays". You've got gamers and practice players. You also have guys that great in both. Don't sit guys because they're not practice players, Sincerely, Allen Iverson.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Cause Fitz is throwing against a scout team, not live action #1s.

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That's what I thought.

I don't care who you are...once you throw 4 picks in a single game, you deserve to sit. If the targeting doesn't get called, you have 4 completions and 4 picks in the game. That may be the worst stat of all NCAA for a complete game. Yes, you deserve to sit. I don't care if you put a RB back out there and run the wildcat. You don't put that QB back on the field after that many picks.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

exactly. if fitz, who has started 30 games in his career isn't clearly better than Key who has 2 starts and one half of actual gametime under his belt, I would be worried. Fitz could be an entirely different player after 5 consecutive games starting and that is what I want to see. I want to see it prior to next year being 17ed up because of the learning curve of the first 5 games of a starter. Three losses before November means this season is already fallen way short of our goals, might as well use it to curb Key's 5 game learning curve. Also, some players do not look like ball stars at practice, but when the lights are on they thrive. I want Key's light to come on by using these 5 games as opposed to next years first 5 games.

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Key wont be the starter. Not this year.... not next. He will start the qb that is completing about 70% and already knows the RPO. He is going to start the kid who is already throwing the back shoulder and the deep ball. He will start the kid who can run....

Just wondering outloud if the slower motion of practice helps Fitz be a better practice player that K. Only time will tell.

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Originally Posted by msudawglb

I don't care who you are...once you throw 4 picks in a single game, you deserve to sit. If the targeting doesn't get called, you have 4 completions and 4 picks in the game. That may be the worst stat of all NCAA for a complete game. Yes, you deserve to sit. I don't care if you put a RB back out there and run the wildcat. You don't put that QB back on the field after that many picks.

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Lot of Hall of Famers on this list:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...ingle_game.htm

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Key wont be the starter. Not this year.... not next. He will start the qb that is completing about 70% and already knows the RPO. He is going to start the kid who is already throwing the back shoulder and the deep ball. He will start the kid who can run....

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I'm so confused... You're talking about Shrader? What makes you think he ca throw 70% in college? what makes you think he's mentally fast enough to immediately run the RPO vs 4.4 SEC athletes? I've seen his film and agree he's a very talented passer, but Key is just as good of a runner. Being able to make great back shoulder throws is useless if you can't make any pre snap reads and can't read the secondary before the opportunities close. In the opener Key looked very slow at that too, but he's probably better at it than a HS kid. Or Shrader could be fantastic. Or Shrader could be crap but Moorhead wants to roll with his guy no matter what. None of us have any idea who will start next year

I assumed he was referring to Jalen Mayden. I agree Schrader won't be starting next year.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Key wont be the starter. Not this year.... not next. He will start the qb that is completing about 70% and already knows the RPO. He is going to start the kid who is already throwing the back shoulder and the deep ball. He will start the kid who can run....

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So you have no breaking point with Fitz at all since you said Key will not start this year. Are you referring to Schrader or Mayden here? Mayden and Key would have 1 year of learning over Schrader in Moorhead's RPO system so you can't possibly be talking about Schrader since he's still in high school and I'm pretty sure his high school doesn't run Moorhead's exact RPO offense. Yet somehow I think you're talking about Schrader. Way to keep the reader guessing though.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

exactly. if fitz, who has started 30 games in his career isn't clearly better than Key who has 2 starts and one half of actual gametime under his belt, I would be worried. Fitz could be an entirely different player after 5 consecutive games starting and that is what I want to see. I want to see it prior to next year being 17ed up because of the learning curve of the first 5 games of a starter. Three losses before November means this season is already fallen way short of our goals, might as well use it to curb Key's 5 game learning curve. Also, some players do not look like ball stars at practice, but when the lights are on they thrive. I want Key's light to come on by using these 5 games as opposed to next years first 5 games.

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This is a good post. If Moorhead's offense comes with a 5 game learning curve as a side effect I want to see it with Key. I want to know exactly how difficult it is to pick up his offense. Consider these last 5 games a valuable information quest for us. If it takes minimum 5 games to pick up the offense and we have a coach totally unable to win games unless the quarterback understands the offense to the point they can give seminars to head coaches about it than we need to go get a new coach and we need to go get him after this year not next.

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Originally Posted by Dawghouse

I assumed he was referring to Jalen Mayden. I agree Schrader won't be starting next year.

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One of these two will be the starter next year.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

This is a good post. If Moorhead's offense comes with a 5 game learning curve as a side effect I want to see it with Key. I want to know exactly how difficult it is to pick up his offense. Consider these last 5 games a valuable information quest for us. If it takes minimum 5 games to pick up the offense and we have a coach totally unable to win games unless the quarterback understands the offense to the point they can give seminars to head coaches about it than we need to go get a new coach and we need to go get him after this year not next.

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McSorely does not strike me as a MENSA member. But his football IQ must be Sheldon Cooper level smart.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I'm so confused... You're talking about Shrader? What makes you think he ca throw 70% in college? what makes you think he's mentally fast enough to immediately run the RPO vs 4.4 SEC athletes? I've seen his film and agree he's a very talented passer, but Key is just as good of a runner. Being able to make great back shoulder throws is useless if you can't make any pre snap reads and can't read the secondary before the opportunities close. In the opener Key looked very slow at that too, but he's probably better at it than a HS kid. Or Shrader could be fantastic. Or Shrader could be crap but Moorhead wants to roll with his guy no matter what. None of us have any idea who will start next year

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^^This

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Then Moorhead needs to ask himself what's the disconnect between practice and an actual game.

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Take this FWIW but someone who attends practice said we practiced entirely different plays the last two weeks, than we actually ran in the game against LSU. Let that sink in. Two weeks in a pivotal game for a season and most likely a coaching career, and you get into the game and run a complete different set of plays you had practiced the entire two weeks running and implementing.

I?ll just say that the two weeks of practice before LSU, were auburn type plays with an added two QB set of plays. Anyone watching Saturday night knows we ran neither type of play.

So if you really must know, our HC is not putting our players in the best positions to win and be successful.

Eta. Hearing on Friday, that we had continued practicing the Auburn motion plays and added the 2 QB set wrinkle, I thought we would blow LSU out, because they cannot defend that. They defend what we did as well as anyone. Line up, no motion, no fakes, and LSU will eat your lunch. That’s what we did and that was the result.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Take this FWIW but someone who attends practice said we practiced entirely different plays the last two weeks, than we actually ran in the game against LSU. Let that sink in. Two weeks in a pivotal game for a season and most likely a coaching career, and you get into the game and run a complete different set of plays you had practiced the entire two weeks running and implementing.

I?ll just say that the two weeks of practice before LSU, were auburn type plays with an added two QB set of plays. Anyone watching Saturday night knows we ran neither type of play.

So if you really must know, our HC is not putting our players in the best positions to win and be successful.

Eta. Hearing on Friday, that we had continued practicing the Auburn motion plays and added the 2 QB set wrinkle, I thought we would blow LSU out, because they cannot defend that. They defend what we did as well as anyone. Line up, no motion, no fakes, and LSU will eat your lunch. That?s what we did and that was the result.

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I know a lot of things are hearsay but ... I kinda believe this to some extent. Just watching him on sidelines he almost looks detached the whole time. And when Nick comes off the field, he never goes talk with him and I haven't noticed anything but Nick getting on the headset. Mullen would be teaching or talking to Nick quite a bit when he came off the field.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Take this FWIW but someone who attends practice said we practiced entirely different plays the last two weeks, than we actually ran in the game against LSU. Let that sink in. Two weeks in a pivotal game for a season and most likely a coaching career, and you get into the game and run a complete different set of plays you had practiced the entire two weeks running and implementing.

I?ll just say that the two weeks of practice before LSU, were auburn type plays with an added two QB set of plays. Anyone watching Saturday night knows we ran neither type of play.

So if you really must know, our HC is not putting our players in the best positions to win and be successful.

Eta. Hearing on Friday, that we had continued practicing the Auburn motion plays and added the 2 QB set wrinkle, I thought we would blow LSU out, because they cannot defend that. They defend what we did as well as anyone. Line up, no motion, no fakes, and LSU will eat your lunch. That’s what we did and that was the result.

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Holy damn. If that's true we got a big problem with our coaching staff starting with Moorhead.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I know a lot of things are hearsay but ... I kinda believe this to some extent. Just watching him on sidelines he almost looks detached the whole time. And when Nick comes off the field, he never goes talk with him and I haven't noticed anything but Nick getting on the headset. Mullen would be teaching or talking to Nick quite a bit when he came off the field.

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Moorhead was talking to Fitz a little bit after series vs LSU. I noticed it because I could see a little frustration from Moorhead finally.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Moorhead was talking to Fitz a little bit after series vs LSU. I noticed it because I could see a little frustration from Moorhead finally.

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JoeMo was upset with him several times during the game. One was right after we couldn't score a touchdown and had to settle for a field goal.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

JoeMo was upset with him several times during the game. One was right after we couldn't score a touchdown and had to settle for a field goal.

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After Fitz kept it on 3rd and goal you could read Joe's lips when Fitz was trotting back to the sideline: "Hand it off!"

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Take this FWIW but someone who attends practice said we practiced entirely different plays the last two weeks, than we actually ran in the game against LSU. Let that sink in. Two weeks in a pivotal game for a season and most likely a coaching career, and you get into the game and run a complete different set of plays you had practiced the entire two weeks running and implementing.

I?ll just say that the two weeks of practice before LSU, were auburn type plays with an added two QB set of plays. Anyone watching Saturday night knows we ran neither type of play.

So if you really must know, our HC is not putting our players in the best positions to win and be successful.

Eta. Hearing on Friday, that we had continued practicing the Auburn motion plays and added the 2 QB set wrinkle, I thought we would blow LSU out, because they cannot defend that. They defend what we did as well as anyone. Line up, no motion, no fakes, and LSU will eat your lunch. That?s what we did and that was the result.

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It seems like the only thing, Fitz is comfortable with now is a designed quarterback run, and that sometimes seems more hesitant or tentative than it was prior to his injury.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

JoeMo was upset with him several times during the game. One was right after we couldn't score a touchdown and had to settle for a field goal.

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You know, it's a shame that MS State fans have to be subject to such an inferior coaching job. If he loses to any of these three teams-LA Tech, Arkansas, or Ole Miss, he should be fired.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Then Moorhead needs to ask himself what's the disconnect between practice and an actual game.

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Well when you practice 7 on 7 well there's the disconnect.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

It seems like the only thing, Fitz is comfortable with now is a designed quarterback run, and that sometimes seems more hesitant or tentative than it was prior to his injury.

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Is he just comfortable with it or is he just trying to pad his rushing record before he graduates?

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Well when you practice 7 on 7 well there's the disconnect.

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I've heard that too.

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I'm so confused... You're talking about Shrader? What makes you think he ca throw 70% in college? what makes you think he's mentally fast enough to immediately run the RPO vs 4.4 SEC athletes? I've seen his film and agree he's a very talented passer, but Key is just as good of a runner. Being able to make great back shoulder throws is useless if you can't make any pre snap reads and can't read the secondary before the opportunities close. In the opener Key looked very slow at that too, but he's probably better at it than a HS kid. Or Shrader could be fantastic. Or Shrader could be crap but Moorhead wants to roll with his guy no matter what. None of us have any idea who will start next year

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He doesn't have to make just pre snap reads. He has to make post snap reads too.

He is doing that and has been for 3 years. Time his release. He is making both reads.

He is also graduating early and should be on campus for all of spring.

No... we have have nobody on this roster as fast and accurate as this kid

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Originally Posted by Coach007

He doesn't have to make just pre snap reads. He has to make post snap reads too.

He is doing that and has been for 3 years. Time his release. He is making both reads.

He is also graduating early and should be on campus for all of spring.

No... we have have nobody on this roster as fast and accurate as this kid

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I'm in the Moorhead rides or dies with Schrader next year group. That's his guy. He knows this kid has the tools, although raw, to successfully run his offense.

Will it make a difference? Who knows. Like I posted before: If we are still lost as ducks on offense this time next year, no matter who's QB, it will be time to move on.