Some key players have voiced their concerns over the coaching this team has gotten offensively. From what I'm hearing there is dissention and is growing. I fear he has lost the team already. I wanted him to succeed but had my doubts from the beginning. I will be there Saturday but am not optimistic at all. I truly feel this season is going to spiral out of control. I heard Moorhead gets 2 years no matter what but if we go 0-8 in the SEC I'm not so sure now. Hailstate!
Not sure how you write this post and then say Hail State at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Posts like this do nothing but hurt our program.
Frankly, our players need to suck it the 17 up and play for these guys.
Heard from who?Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
99, you were the primary one giving people grief who didnt automatically agree with you that state was going to blow KY and florida out of the water. In fact, you thought we were bear trolls. So why should people get behind you on this?
Is it possible that it is offensive players not catching onto the system? He has this year and probably a 0-8 SEC record would be the only thing to keep him from not being here next year.
Well, Pickett and the University Greys were all in for that Lee guy at that place in PA about 150 years ago and we know how that turned out.*****
I think we need to all take vow to not make this place toxic.
I understand that everyone is angry but we can't become toxic. It does nothing but make everything worse.
Maybe, just maybe, we weren't that talented to begin with (on offense, obviously)....
This is 2016 all over again in the locker room. And the common denominator is the QB.
He works in one offense and one offense only and that?s Mullen. He?s worried more about his record chase and off the field stuff then film study.
Post on message boards do not make a damn thing toxic. 400 yards in 2 games, 1 TD in 2 games, and hardheaded Woody Mcorvery-like offensive football makes things toxic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
True but spreading unbstantiated rumors don't helpQuote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
This is also true.Quote:
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FWIW I sent a couple of texts to folks I know and they do not confirm this at all. I'm more of a baseball guy but feel like they would know and nada.
Agreee with Gun, we don't need to make this toxic...no "Forward Bulldogs" stuff. I'm as pissed as anyone and I'll be the first one to show JoMo the door if they can't get it turned around but to expect zero hiccups with a totally new staff is a bit harsh. Another thing that I haven't seen mentioned is that Fitz had zero live reps in spring, so he had (literally) two weeks to run the offense with some form of opposition...so maybe it isn't unrealistic that at some point this thing takes off.
Oh man, I hope this isn’t true. If it is, we will fall apart and this will be worse than the croom years.
Yeah but Longstreet was kind of against itQuote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Gotta wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I'll stick by what I've heard until proven otherwise. And yes I think we have major talent on this team we should be 5-0. This message board board has no bearing on wins or losses. But the incompetence of our head coach does. I guess we will find out this weekend.
There were wont be a forward bulldogs, if it goes completely sideways and an 0-8 comes out of this the wheels will move and changes will be made. There are people that won't let us fall into a five year or more rebuild.Quote:
Originally Posted by Randolph Dupree
So you think Merlin would be 3-2 with this talent?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Almost the exact same offensive players go from averaging 27 point per game in the SEC to 6.5 ppg. Must be the talent, though.
Just their way of coping. Obviously our talent is worse than vandy since we're behind them in every sec offensive category. This has nothing to do with Moorhead. We have zilch to work with, and quite frankly 200 yds, 6.5 pts per game in sec games is really one of hell of a job by this staff. Our talent is that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgs87
Yeah, Longstreet never spoke to Lee again. Hope that doesn't happen to some of our present FB "leaders" after this season plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by parabrave
I?m done commenting on the coaches for at least two more games (minus the game thread). I?m praying it gets straight. I can?t handle football going the way basketball did.
Just to throw this out there:
Joe said tonight
We run the ball great, not a problem.
The pass blocking is a problem they are working on.
He talked about "culture" again. I get the impression he thinks we have a culture problem.
Now to the OP:
If true, could it be an OL mutiny against Johnson. Just a thought.
Where'd you see Joe press conference?Quote:
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I was driving to pick up some BBQ for the fam.
Or could it possibly be a combination of both the players and the coaches? I have a feeling that's the real truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yes the coaches are being hard headed. But you can't convince me that Fitz has put in the work he needed to during the offseason to be a championship caliber QB. Yes, he had to do rehab but he could have incorporated throwing to our receivers as part of that and killed two birds with one stone. Greg Eiland getting his ass beat literally every pass play is on Greg Eiland. Receivers dropping passes is on them.
And as far as the talent- our defense is elite. They have been as good as advertised. But I remember about 3-4 years ago complaining about OL and WR recruiting and look at those two groups right now. They look like, well a bunch of 2-3 star players. Compare that to our defense which is mostly made up of 4 and I think even one 5 star guy in there and only a couple of three star guys. On offense the only four star guys we are starting are Hill, Aeris, and Guidry. And not coincidentally two of those guys have been our best players on offense this year.
Just my 2 cents but if we have players mutinying after 2 bad games then we got some softies on this team. They need to get it fixed players and coaches. There have been plays to be made by the players that could have changed the outcome of these games. I understand everyone frustrated, I am too. I tell my kids all the time when you face adversity you can overcome it or quit and quitting not an option.
ETA if this indeed is happening
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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Thanks guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Unless we win out I don't see Johnson coming back. He may not come back even if we win out. I expect him to be a scapegoat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I've led a soldier's life, and I've never seen anything as brutally clear as this. It's as if I can actually see the blue troops in one long, bloody moment, goin' up the long slope to the stony top. As if it were already done... already a memory. An odd... set... stony quality to it. As if tomorrow has already happened and there's nothin' you can do about it. The way you sometimes feel before an ill-considered attack, knowin' it'll fail, but you cannot stop it. You must even take part, and help it fail.
I agree on the off-the-field work by Fitz, receivers, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Defense isn't as good as "advertised" tho. They ain't bad, but being "not bad" wasn't how they were advertised. And talent wise, D line is good. Leo is not playing good and should be laying folks out. Thompson playing pretty good. Corners are really not playing good IMO. Abrams is good, Cole had bad game against FL and hasn't impressed me. McLaurin is half and half.
Amen. And based on the past four years of watching these players I highly suspect that they are soft. Whether the OP is true or not. Losing to South Alabama, Losing an Egg Bowl at home to cost us a Sugar Bowl bid, crawfishing against Alabama repeatedly, losing the Egg Bowl last year, and then Kentucky and Florida this year. And then you have stuff like the players going off on Bob Carskadon because he said something about their beards when it was clearly something that was supposed to be good natured and then running smack on Kentucky and not backing it up. But the worst was the Egg Bowl last year when they allowed Ole Miss to get off cheap shot after cheap shot and did nothing about it. I'm sorry if someone is acting like they are peeing on our logo- I'm going to run over and pop the guy like the guy for the Cowboys that popped Terrell Owens for celebrating on their star.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Our football team needs to learn about cajones from our baseball team. Even LA who some on here ripped repeatedly- Ole Miss walks Mangum to get to him and he at least has the balls to say alright I'm going opposite field and wins the game. If it's Fitz- I guarantee he strikes out and then goes out partying with his beauty queen girlfriend.
To me that just shows how unrealistic the expectations are. We're second in the SEC in total defense and are allowing 13 points a game. This despite our offense doing literally nothing the past two games meaning we haven't been able to pin our ears back at all. In this era of offense teams are going to make plays from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
One of my coworker's best friends is a long time AD employee. I'll ask her to text her friend to see if this has made her ears. She's like a second mother to some of these players.
Strong post! Our baseball team could've easily quit with what happened last year but sucked up and overcame. Basketball team sucked it up too and turned their season around too. That was George Teague(Alabama)who knocked the piss out of Terrell Owens for that Star stunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
So far we've played 1 dimensional offenses only in SEC. Go rewind the tape and look at how we had NO 3 & outs against a crappy FL offense that can't run the ball on anyone. How our CBs got their ass handed to them when FL WRs were blocking them. How Cole and Leo had multiple instances they could have laid the lumber ... and didn't. How our back 7 take bad angles all the time. And they're soft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
This D was touted as better than Bama's .. and it's not. And right now this is not the usual Bama D ... not as good. Talent is mostly there tho ... they're young.
ETA: KY is 71 in total O and FL is 93.
I have heard that the O coaches are soft and never hold the offensive players accountable. No intensity or accountability. And that practices are soft as charmin.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Makes sense that its the offensive coaches that are soft considering what we have seen on the field. Take it as just another post if you want but that is from a good source