If it turns out to be Henderson.
I?m torn. What is best for the program, going forward?
If it turns out to be Henderson.
I?m torn. What is best for the program, going forward?
I dont envy John. If it's not Henderson, and I dont think it should be, he will get slaughtered by the media and half of our fans. If it's a hire that isnt considered a Grand Slam, he is going to get slaughtered. The decision should be based on our long term interest, not an emotional response to a great 3 week run. There are a handful of HR hires out there. Bring us one home. In Cohen I trust.
The best thing for the program is the guy who took over us in the toughest spot in baseball history and lead us to Omaha and deep into Omaha. Nobody worth having will come here if this isn't good enough.
Cohen should be fired and run out of Starkville. He slaughtered Henderson and our team on the radio last night and that should be enough to march him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Just like the Cohen hire over Raffo? Our baseball program is a freakin' soap opera. People just need to get behind whoever Cohen names. HE is the one in the position required to make the hire, not the fanbase.
Are you Gary Henderson? GTFOQuote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
If Henderson is the guy, not only will our fan base fracture, our program will too. Henderson is not the guy that is going to be successful for 10+ years here. He can't develop talent at a high level and can't build upon what type of program he is given. That was shown through his 8 years at Kentucky. We are going to get passed up really quick by Ole Miss and Southern, just like Kentucky was by Louisville.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
This post is a special breed of stupid. Post less pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
Only 5 people were listening to that broadcast and they were all, and I mean all MSU fans. Also, I would like to add, everything he said was 100% correct and on the nose. If you cannot handle the truth, switch to UM.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Here is the non emotional look at Gary Hendersons HC career. His best year was a 45 win season at UK. His next best season? This year. He averaged under 32 wins a season over his 10 year history. If you can honestly say he is the best choice, then you really dont care about our program.
AmenQuote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
I really appreciate everything Gary did this year. He was absolutely the best choice to lead the team this year. However I am not convinced that he can win a national championship here. I just feel like we will be doing this again in a few years if we make an a emotional decision and name him head coach. I will obviously support him but I will be pretty disappointed. There is a reason USC didn’t hire O after his intern stint there. And a reason LSU shouldn’t have.
You smoking crack? Cohen calmly and quietly hired Moorhead while Tennessee was busy looking like the biggest dumbasses in the history of college football hiring. Moorhead has us #6 in recruiting in the country right now after being on the job for only 7 months. Cohen coulda dog cussed Henderson on the air for 3 straight hours like he was the umpire in the LSU series in 2014 and he'd keep his job. Stop smoking crack and posting please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
No way we hire Henderson. We’d be doing it again in 2 years. He wasted a CWS trip.
LSU hired coach O because it was the only choice they had. They went after great coaches and every one of them said no. Because they saw what Les Miles had accomplished and how LSU treated him. If we fire Henderson, that is what coaches will see in us. Nobody wants to go to Starkville and be fired two years laterQuote:
Originally Posted by runwildjerious
This is such an uninformed and dumb opinion to have. For one, we aren't going to be firing Henderson if we go with someone else. Two, if we go after the right coaches instead of assuming we need to hire someone that already has a ton of Omaha experience, there are quite a few legitimate candidates that can win big here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
First of all, he is an interim coach. He would not be fired, he just wouldn’t be the full time head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
Second, you just said that Cohen should be fired and ran out of town. So please excuse me if I don’t find your option valid.
It's a very reasoned and informed opinion. Henderson just went deeper in Omaha than Ron Polk ever did.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Congrats Gary. You still didn't win it all and that's the only way you should even be considered for this job. Even then, I still wouldn't think you could be successful long term. At best, Henderson is successful the next 2 seasons and then we will be on a steep downfall to mediocrity, just like he was at Kentucky. Again, there are way too many good, young coaches that will be highly successful for 10+ years that we need to hire before even coming close to hiring Gary Henderson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
Oh and please explain your reasoned and informed opinion minus the fact that in a month and a half our players got hot and saved Gary Henderson's ass multiple times. What in his past leads you to believe he will be successful and bring a national championship to Mississippi State within the next 10 years? Please do tell.
It depends on who he hires. A true grandslam wouldn't be a slaughter in the media. Pro coaches have gotten fired after post season runs. The NBA recently had a coach of the year fired.
A true grandslam won't be questioned as much as people are suggesting. The media has seen it before and they understand the importance. And let's be honest. College baseball coaching hires don't move the needle with the national news. And tell me if I'm wrong, but I never heard anyone say Henderson had to be the coach during any of our tournament broadcast. I heard lots of "he has to be considered" which he is
As far as the fans, the sheep are the ones you are talking about. They follow what the AD and what the Mississippi media guys tell them. It would all hinge on how the guys that run the Mississippi State pages on SDS, 24/7, and the like do. And wyat our state homer writters like Gene do.
Win the press conference. Win the fans. National media doesnt give a crap
Now, you hire some unproven up and comer or someone that's not really really impressive, well then you might have a problem
Henderson had a very magical run but we already would have a new coach if McNamee doesn't hit a 3 run bomb in the b9th vs FSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
This is what I fear is going to happen and part of why I think big name head coaches don?t want the job. I have a bad feeling that it will be between Henderson and an up and coming assistant coach. The expectations of this job are intense, and the post season run made it even more so. I would consider anything less than Omaha next year a disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
No he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
Hiring someone other than Henderson will not split the fanbase. 90% of the fans that want Henderson are casual baseball fans that will support anyone MSU hires even if it's Willy Wonka. And if the media turns on us those fans are going to be on MSU's side. Those casual fans are not as invested as the hardcore fans most of whom do not want Henderson.
We need to not care what the media thinks because they don't have our best interests at heart.
There's people coming out of the woodwork for this thread
If that is the case we need to hire an up and comer. With the expectations come a lot of resources and salary that those coaches wouldn't be able to get elsewhere too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
What media is going to slaughter him? The CL that is Pravda to MSU fans? Housewives on twitter? D1 baseball dorks like Kendall Rodgers?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobcat91
Henderson had a good run, he was hired to coach pitchers and assist Cohen and then later Andy Cannizzaro. He resigned his previous post and said the lifestyle was too much. That resignation was at a basketball school with no actual fans or season ticket holders. No way he is our next coach, unless he is the best candidate that is actually interested. That would suck tho.
This the MSU job after all. It's not like he took USM, Tennessee, or Bama to #4 in Omaha. We were ranked in the top-15 to start the year. We had a few AA contenders to start the year. If Mainieri were to die of a heart attack in early April next year and the interim took LSU to the CWS, that's not a miracle.
Rep given.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
I also kind of question why Henderson all of a sudden wants the job now? Probably to pad his nest egg. I doubt he has the motivation to stay with us long term.
He probably just had the most fun for the last month than his whole baseball life combined. I don't question why he wants the job now. Would you want to give up this job knowing Mangum, Small, McNamee and the freshman were coming back? I seriously doubt him wanting the job has anything to do with padding his nest egg. He just won 2 COY awards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
If we were to hire Henderson, we have to hire an elite pitching coach and have better support staff such as actually have a paid coach at first and not players coaching first. Also I?d like to see better discipline on the base paths, more hit and runs, and more stolen bases. We had a lot of speed that we didn?t take advantage of nor did we put more pressure on the other team. I also think if we do hire Henderson we will have some transfers like Jordan Anderson and a couple of others. I don?t think he?s the answer and I will be very disappointed if he gets the job. This has Polk III written all over it. Hopefully Cohen won?t fall for the LT allure here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Right, wrong, or indifferent, I suggested this over a month ago. If Henderson takes us a long way into the playoffs, it will be difficult not to offer him the job....and if not....it will turn off most of the decent coaches that might have considered it in the first place. Most of the coaching fraternity knows Gary and he is well liked. I think we've already started to see some questioning of this already from coaches and pundits. John may have to go the unenviable route of selecting an up and coming assistant like Canny if not Henderson. And to be honest, we'll never know if Canny was the answer or not......he seem to recruit well, but we just never saw enough of him to really know if he could handle the job. I think it will all work out in the end as the program is much bigger than any one coach. Speaking of big, Fullerton's Vanderhook is a pretty dang good coach. I imagine he could do a lot better with the resources we have than what he has to work with out there. Just a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
That’s what I would favor, but how do you sell it to the players? How do you sell that you are getting rid of the staff these kids have been with? It’s a bad place to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yeah, this also gives me pause. I wonder if he wants a second chance to prove he can be a head coach. I also don?t think you are destined to be a terrible head coach because you were average at one place. Maybe he learned some things. Perhaps the safest route would be to hire him and give him a short leash. If he underperforms, he?s gone. And for effs sake, please put out money for a pitching coach. The pitching situation is untenable and bad for my mental health.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Given the choice, I choose someone other than Henderson. With that said, if you're a state fan you should support whoever is hired. Don't let pride get in the way of your support of your university.
Jeez dude. He wants it bc it's a great job. If Henderson were just trying to get a paycheck, this team would've packed it in at 14-15 (2-7)... maybe earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Sure I’ll support whoever is hired but Gary Henderson has Polk III written all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We have had a a romantic season. However, to romanticize it and hire a coach at the same time is a mistake. Gary is not the guy long term. He is a good coach but I think we can do better than good. Compensate him and the staff for what they did this year. Go find a head coach if you don?t already have one.
The players have been through three head coaches, two pitching coaches and three hitting coaches. Their job is to play for whoever the coach is. Just like my boss and supervisor changes from time to time. Cohen will sell them on how great the new coach is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
I'm just concerned about his quote about being burned out and how baseball is an around the clock job. If I had an opportunity near the end of retirement to make a million dollars or so a year I'd probably do it too- but to be honest if I as near burnout I probably wouldn't do that great of a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7