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that passed the Mississippi house leaves little doubt that we will no longer be able to have SEC home games if athletic events aren?t exempted. It also hints that we might be removed from the SEC. I favor gun rights but this law is just stupid. Guns have no place in the hands of drunk fans at an athletic event.
Does the commissioner have that power?
The members do, and he represents them.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This only applies to enhanced carry license holders. Not every Tom, Dick, and Harry has one and/or can pass the requirements to obtain one. I'm on the fence, but for Sankey and the media to paint this as broad as they're trying is complete BS.
In other words, no. He cannot kick a school out of the sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
ETA... I think it is rather dumb to carry in a college football game. Even so, I think it 100x more likely sankey gets the boot than state and OM
Wow, he is basically threatening MSU or else:
"Given the intense atmosphere surrounding athletic events, adding weapons increases meaningful safety concerns and is expected to negatively impact the intercollegiate athletics programs at your universities in several ways," Sankey said in a letter to Keenum and the University of Mississippi's chancellor. "If HB1083 is adopted to permit weapons in college sports venues, it is likely that competitors will decline opportunities to play in Oxford and Starkville, game officials will decline assignments, personal safety concerns will be used against Mississippi’s universities during the recruiting process and fan attendance will be negatively impacted."
Does Sankey really wanna go anti-gun in the Deep South? He is a native New Yorker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
I believe Keenum is against it too, btw. Also, being against this provision, doesn't make you "anti-gun", 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
ETA, I think you meant "come off as anti-gun", which he probably will, considering the binary thinking and hysteria common with these types of discussions.
He knows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
His stance isn’t anti-gun. I agree with him and I’m very pro gun rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I am not for this law. I do recognize that messing with someone?s gun will make you anti-gun in the south esp.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I would never bring my weapon into a college sporting event, and i'm very pro gun rights. That being said Sankey probably should've kept this between him and the universities at this point. Discretion sometimes is a good thing.
Gotcha. I had already edited my post by the time you posted this, btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The problem with that is the idiots in Jackson who would continue on with it and screw state, ole miss and usm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
The spirit of the law is obviously to create less soft targets. Maybe it would be a good idea for every SEC school to take those millions of dollars they are making at football games and beef up armed security even more.
A compromise will be made. The SEC commish and both presidents are opposing the bill, and you ain't taking the SEC out of Mississippi without a fight.
You're probably right.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
Would you rather this been made public after it passes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Look, I'm not for this. But I want to know did Sankey try to address this privately without bringing the media into it. Sometimes things can be done without dragging it through the media and creating a bigger s***storm. That's all i'm saying. If that's what it takes to keep us from being screwed by the SEC then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
When did they start selling alcohol at games? Oh that's right, they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Who's to say that guns aren't already in the stadium?
Pathetic that drunk fans are an argument against it and yet selling beer at stadiums is not even considered.
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So, today right after the House voted 80-29 to pass HB 1083, this carefully worded letter was released by the SEC. Two things are immediately obvious: 1) the SEC must not know that our State enhanced carry law has permitted concealed carry on campus including ball games since the passage of HB 506 in 2011; and 2) someone in the higher echelons of state bureaucracy is coordinating or attempting to coordinate a partial repeal of our State gun laws by veiled threats such as this. Only 29 Democrats voted against the bill today. Everyone who fought the bill today voted for it in 2011.
Is this evidence of the "deep state" manipulating and working against the people?
That is interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mparkerfd20
1. I am pro-gun.
2. I don?t like this proposed change to the law. Guns aren?t allowed in bars. Tailgating is a giant bar. Plus emotions and fights.
3. I also don?t like that sports organizations are leveraging themselves to influence local politics. The NCAA and SEC are overstepping their bounds in placing threats and ultimatums against laws made be freely-elected state legislators.
It?s not whether or not you are for or against a particular law. The ends here do not justify the means. The NCAA and SEC should stick to sports.
I think this is an extremely dumb idea for many reasons but I don't carry so I don't study the numbers. Out of curiosity what is a guess at the number of enhanced carry license holders that would be in Davis Wade during an SEC game?
Anyone intent on carrying in a gun to an SEC football game needs to have their damn head examined. If you’re not a LEO, leave it in your vehicle.
This exactly where I'm at, and you stated it much better than I did. Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by PassInterference
It was a letter addressed to the heads of the universities. Keenum has already issued a public statement against the law. This is a bad law and the hue and cry is needed to hopefully get it voted down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Hahahahahaha. The fact that you think drunk fans will just be bringing in guns willy nilly explains all I need to know about your knowledge or lack there of on the laws and statistics. Pretty sure being drunk with a firearm is already against the law no matter the permit you carry. So they were committing a crime to begin with which current laws aren’t preventing. If laws prevent crime we wouldn’t have crime. Logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
This law states that persons with enhanced carry permits (aka police officers and some civilians with equal training and certifications) into the stadium. Currently a non uniformed police officer(ECL Holder) is not allowed to carry into a game, even though the current law states they can. What is the difference in a police officer if they have their uniform on or blue jeans and a t-shirt. This allows people to sue the public institutions from preventing it.
Secondly, all CCL and ECL holders, including myself, know not to carry if you plan on inbibing even just a little. It?s the main thing they beat into you and the penalties for gun carry holders are much more severe than normal citizens. Common sense and logic applied here.
Lastly, CCL and ECL commit less crimes per capita, not overall, than actual law enforcement officials with essentially the same ECL permits. Meaning per the amount of people who hold these permits they commit a lower percentage of crimes than law enforcement personnel. We are talking a smaller percentage of crimes from a small percentage of population. More logic.
All of this boils down to overall public gun and gun law ignorance. The stats bear out that persons willing to put themselves through the training and FBI requirements to legally obtain these permits, adhere to current laws and gun laws more strictly than the actual persons enforcing said laws and gun laws. Logic again.
Some of you people really need to stop watching tv, stop reading the propaganda papers and magazines , and start looking at statistics. If you were to believe the propaganda, you?d currently see murder rates throughout the roof, because after all Dont more guns equal more murders? Gun sales have skyrocketed over the last decade. Where are the murders to mirror this skyrocket? Isn?t that what you were all told? Didn?t happen, same way Texas didn?t see gun crimes increase after they passed concealed carry. In fact the exact opposite and logical result occurred, less crimes and murder. Funny how logic and common sense play out time and time again, yet the statistics get printed in the classified section if they get printed at all.
On a diffeeent note, wouldn?t it be safer for police officers on and off duty to be carrying at events? Sankey is essentially saying it would not be, while saying he is concerned about event safety. This is Liberal Logic.
Individual places are still allowed to ban guns, including enhanced carry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
This is NOT about law enforcement officers.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
I'm with PI on this, the NCAA and SEC needs to stick with sports, hell they don't even do a good job policing their own member institutions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
He did the same thing to Arkansas and they simply amended the bill to exclude event facilities.
Which would be the logical thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We went thru this in GA a couple of years ago. The reason the SEC and other organization have to get involved like this are the thickheadedness of the legislators. They go to these ALEC conferences and are given legislation to pass, told its good for the cause and will guarantee their reelection, and refuse to listen to their constituents views. It takes threats from the SEC, big businesses that don?t want guns in the workplace (like Coke and Home Depot here in GA), to get them to back down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Dude, I know what enhanced carry is. I am probabaly about to get mine. Do you think that people who have that certification don?t get drunk at football games?Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Which is exactly what we should do. I have no problem with the bill otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I think we should reply back to Sankey and tell him we'll remove it from the bill if they'll give us beer at games.
If somebody gets shot by a drunken fan at an SEC game who do you think would be libel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
It would not matter if he did, state law prohibits it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Freaking Baptists!Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I kind of find it interesting that 2nd Amendment advocates, the NRA, and the republicans allow any restriction to me carrying a weapon hidden or otherwise, anywhere inside the country's boarders. Its like I have to have this certain permit to do such things the constitution already arguably allows me to do.
Sounds like their should be either an amendment to the constitution or.....this shouldn't be a law. People do know that is how we actually change the rules right. By amending the US Constitution.