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He's a good guy and appreciates all he has.
Why? Because he was educated at Mississippi State University. This kid is just solid.
Probably because he's under a fourth round rookie contract.
Or because he's not a piece of garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Boy you sure are fired up about symbols.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Well if I'm on the opposite side of you and kaepernick, then I know I'm on the right side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
So, he should be on the same side of the question as Kapernick because he's black? Is that what you're saying? You think every black athelete on the globe is just burning to protest the national anthem? Are you saying that Dak isn't being truthful?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Wasn't this news two weeks ago? or is this something else that has happened?
Or maybe he is appreciative of the people who died defending our country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Or, he's appreciative of the opportunity he has because he lives in this country and not a self serving POSQuote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
He's not uppity.**Quote:
Originally Posted by MrKotter
Dak would rather do something to help out with legitimate causes and not the made up cause that Krapernick and the media push.
Freedom of speech will be taken away soon via p45.
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Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Nope. I didn't say any of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pollodawg
This is the problem with the entire public dialogue. People don't know how to listen and just make up what they think other people mean. It's amazing because for some people sitting during the national anthem means disrespecting the military when no one has ever said that at all.
By the way, Kap initially was on one knee which for many people is just another symbolic gesture that people appreciate (ask Tebow). Kap has never disrespected the military or anyone who died in the military. That's just the red meat that people feed you so that you won't consider the real issue.
The real issue is police not being held responsible for unarmed deaths which is why Dez went out of his way to clarify that his not kneeling does not mean he doesn't support social issues.
By kneeling Kap brought attention to an issue that the rest of society likes to forget. By not signing him NFL owners are actually keeping the issue alive.
I know you "blue blooded Americans" whose country has been taken away will not agree with me but that's fine. Continue on making America great again but this time do it for EVERYONE. God bless.
Hands up, don't shoot! Talk about being fed red meat to steer away from the real issue. The criminals are the problem, not the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Dak stood up for what he believes is right. Our country, our freedoms and our flag. I'm glad Daks a Dawg and thankful for the way he represents us! He continues to impress with more than just his play on the field but by the man he is off the field!
It is how you view the flag. Is it a sign of oppressive American government or is it those people who have did a lot including giving their lives for our freedoms? On one hand, kneeling does draw attention to the social issues but some people just don't see it that way. It is your right to have an opinion but that right was paid for with lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
The real issue is the reforms offered by BLM. They are common sense, unless you WANT black Americans to be oppressed by the police. Many do, so they refuse to address the reforms at all as they are so common sense that they can't be debated. So they distract. Carry on Timber, we know your true goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimberBeast
Several of the incidences with police are lack of adequate training. The woman killed in Minnesota was by a rookie that probably shouldn't have been allowed in that situation at that time. Cops go into dangerous situations and if they aren't prepared for it then things can go horribly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I still really don't understand why they play the national anthem before every single sporting event I see or go to. I'm glad Dak said what he said, but I hate the fact that athletes even have to deal with these kinds of questions. I've done some research and understand how it all got started, but I still don't understand why they sing the national anthem at every sporting event. We don't see this anywhere else that is not associated with the military.
Sports and patriotism going together is a forced concept. They don't necessarily have anything to do with each other except when countries face off against each other in events like the Olympics.
I don't sing the national anthem before work. I don't sing it at church. It's not played when I wake up in the morning. They don't play it before movies, or TV shows. As a matter of fact, I pretty much never hear the national anthem except for before sporting events.
You can be a great and valuable athlete or sports fan and not sing the national anthem before a game. Just because you're participating in an activity while being in america doesn't mean the national anthem should be played before hand. And just because it once made sense doesn't mean it still makes sense.
The question, or point I'm trying to make, has nothing to do with Colin's or Dak's or any other athletes handling of these situations. Why are athletes even having to deal with this sh*t when no one else does? They're just trying to go to work or play a game.
We just can't have nice things.
Had no knowledge of these reforms so I'm currently checking them out. After reading only two I already see that police shouldn't have high speed chases...if folks speed off they should get away with whatever crime they committed? There should be no repercussions for running from police on foot...everyone should try to run since nothing will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
They also want there to be no police involvement in situations of trespassing, disorderly conduct, and disturbing the peace. So there should be no consequences to illegal actions?
I've only skimmed thru the first two so there could be more that make no sense to me. I'm interested in how me thinking these are bogus means I want to oppress black people. Feel free to pm me as I really am interested in this and not trying to be a smart ass and get the thread locked.
I am not going to read it but is there a reason for no high speed chases? Are there circumstances where it would be allowed with the reforms? If someone kidnaps a child, I don't want the police to say "sorry, we aren't allowed to speed up in pursuit". What would be the repercussions from trespassing and the other issues? The cops get involved so you don't have a dumbass shooting people for trespassing on their property. I think when body cameras are more prevalent then that will help some issues. I still think either cops need more training or some people need to be weeded out that shouldn't be cops in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Here's a unique thought. I don't condone mistreatment of anyone regardless of race, creed, color or whatever, but if people don't want to get harassed by the police just don't commit crimes. My grandfather used to warn about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Always said be prepared for the consequences. I come from a long line of Native American blood, people who have been oppressed more than anyone and yet still are honored and respectful of our government, constitution, country. Just my opinion and I respect others beliefs too.
It isn't that simple though. There are several instances where the person wasn't doing anything incorrectly but the cop still did not act correctly. I saw an article talking about training cops in hand to hand combat so they are more confident they can handle issues without a gun. It was lowering situations of police brutality and misconduct. It could lead to a cop breaking someone's arm but that is a lot better than shooting someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
True and I agree on the training. However these incidents are few and happen to all types of people some are just more highly publicized by the media than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Something to remember about kaepernick too is he doesn't have a job now because HE opted out of his contract with 49ers not because they fired him.
I wouldn't say high speed chases should be banned, but they definitely should be reformed. There's info out there on it that's better than I could explain it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
The problem with charges like trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc is they are completely arbitrary and are used by cops to make arrests when they dont have grounds for an actual charge. Want a reporter to stop filming? Just order him to and arrest him when he refuses. If you had consequences for cops abusing those charges, then a change wouldn't be necessary.
These are the ones I'm referring to btw:Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
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Why the **** do we have a politics board, if we're not going to use it? C'mon, Mods.
Exactly! Many of those are black people who died in every war this country has ever engaged in plus civil rights activists like Medgar Evers in Jackson. His death secured just as much freedom for black people as any soldier in uniform. But honestly I don't think Kap kneeling was a slight on any of them. All I interpreted him as saying is that he did not feel that this country is fair or equal when INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY black people can be killed by police and then the police go scott free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Back to sports. I don't mind the national anthem being played and I don't even mind the fact that NFL owners choose not to hire a particular person. I just wish people would acknowledge the real issue which is police brutality and stop acting like it is disrespect of a flag or anthem. The truth is that some people don't think that the police are ever wrong in the way that that they handle black people.
"Wrong place wrong time" has historically been code for black people need to know their place. Michael Bennett just had an incident in Las Vegas. How was he at the wrong place at the wrong time? Until you have walked a mile in someone's shoes you shouldn't presume to know what it feels like.
Go back and do a search on how many cheap shots get fired here at the Clinton's, Obama's, or liberal's. You would be amazed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Ya'll can think what you want but I think it is a stupid ass idea to sit or kneel when the national anthem is being played. **** them!
No way no how will the NFL get money out of me. No TV in my house will have NFL on them. My son can go to his friends house if he wants to watch.
You can't let a domestic terrorist organization like blm determine rules and laws in a civilized society, especially when an overwhelmingly vast majority of the issues they are complaining about are completely made up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
This. All day, this.Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepy dawg
Here's my problem. The narrative being propagated by the media and other groups is that because a few cops screw up that means all of them are evil. I don't judge any group of people by a small percentage of what some of them do and none of us should but that's what being done. Is our system perfect, no, do some changes need to be made, yes, is it the best form of government in the world, yes.
I haven't heard anyone argue that because cops misbehave or are corrupt or whatever, that we need to move to socialism or some other form of government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
If changes need to be made, then why are we so defensive about talking about those changes?
If you don't think the media is portraying cops as being the problem you're not watching much tv or reading much. That's what I'm referring to and because of that cops are being ambushed every week now.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I'm all for change for good, but once again I don't judge any group by a small percentage.
Everything I hear is that all cops are not evil but there are some that need to be trained out of their inherent biases that cause them to be trigger happy when dealing with black people. Also, the grand juries and courts that allow cops that have killed unarmed black people is a huge part of the discontent in BLM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Jack, why wouldn't you watch NFL when the owners are upholding your view?