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I was going to post a "****" Mullen thread and join the pity party, but the sun is out, the sky is BEAUTIFUL and WE WON!
Those 3 DLs will make it hard on the incoming JUCOs to start. I can see a 1a and 1b talent situation in the front 7.
Hoyett shed several double teams to make the stop.
I must have missed all that QB pressure and run stopping we did today. I thought the DL was trash
I hope the jucos come in and shake shit up, piss our current players off. That's what should happen. These soft ****ers in our program right now should be mad that these jucos are coming in. Because it's a loud statement that we don't believe that the guys going home on the plane today can get it done. Well to you returning players prove you can. Toughen up buttercups.
Must have. Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
It should create a lot of competition!Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Adams -- 3 tackles
Hoyett -- 3 tackles, 1 tfl
Simmons -- 2 tackles
Not a bad effort for this group. Hopefully they, along with Thomas have a big offseason and can deliver next season
Hoyett may be better than Simmons. But for such a young group, they went after it today.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I honestly don't see how a 3 -4 puts any pressure on a QB. You still have one center, two guards, and two tackles kept in to block these three unless you are UNM with about half the OL downfield blocking on pass plays. Right?
From different blitz packages. It really helps defend the spread. Extra cover/pass hybrid LB. Look at Bama. 2 gap 3-4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
This is exactly what I was wondering. From what I gather your pressure comes from the LBs in the 3-4, but you should be able to bring it from anywhere by moving folks around. Your DL have to be able to eat up double teams. Would like to see someone talk about pros vs. cons of the 3-4?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
We don't have Bama's players of course. I doubt a 3 - 4 especially under Sirmon will ever be successful for us. Thanks for your response to my questions. Hope I am proved wrong in 2017. Hail State and have a great 2017.
Bama stunts a lot with their Dlinemen too. We almost never run stunts. And never have regardless of who the D coordinator is/was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach
Most teams that run a 3-4 rush 4 people almost every play. What makes it dynamic is that they alternate the 4th rusher so that it could be any one of the LBs and sometimes a DB. That way the OL never knows who to block before the play starts causing confusion. We almost always rush the viper as our 4th, making it easier to block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
We had some personnel issues this year, but next year we'all have 17 or 18 former 4 or 5 star talents on defense. We don't have Bama players, but we'll certainly have the talent next year to have a good defense. No excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
I watched the "rush" a lot today and saw a three man rush with 8 dropping into a soft zone with no regard for the TE too many times as per our SOP most of the year. JMO.
S&C coach. 2 things better happen . He better push these players like never before or CDM needs to push his ass out the door..
there is going to be a lot of talent on defense next year
Isn't our former S&C Coach at UConn which fired their HC today?
He is but he also coordinates their entire strength program for 24 sports at UConn as well as developing the strength program for the football team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Maybe their new coach will want his own guy. How do you think our S&C program was for the FB team this year? I have no idea.
Do we at any position? Who does have bama's players all across the board? Are you listening to yourself? So abandon a defense because we don't recruit as well as the top program in the nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
1- We can stick to a 4-3 and struggle vs the spread or we can switch and better handle it. Therefore handling most teams that we will face.
2- We don't know what Sirmon can do because it's the first year this team has played a 3-4 under Mullen. Sirmon doesn't have a year under him in recruiting players he may need.
Bama switched to a 3-4 in 2007. Bama ranked 31st that season. The next season they jumped 3, then 2, and have pretty much stayed in the top from that point. Their 2007 classhad no 5 stars and only 3 4 stars.
Let's look at leading up to that change.
2004, no 5 stars and only 1 4 star signed(WR)
2005, no 5 stars, 1 4 star signed (SDE)
2006, no 5 stars, 1 4 star signed(RB)
Already told you 2007...
2008 1 5 star on defense..CB 9 4star players signed
So let's talk about those players that Bama gets and we don't? The difference wasn't just in coaching, but it was also the switch. Sirmon is working with far better talent than Bama had making the switch.
Here's to expecting the JUCO D players we have signed to fit into an aggressive, successfully run D in 2017. I think the turnover on the D staff has killed us the past few years. Hoping Sirmon and the D get it done next year. Hail State!
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Originally Posted by Goldendawg
100% agreed!
I really think the infusion of talent and depth at safety and dline will make a big difference next season. I'm a little concerned with LB though... Thompson has to be ready to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
There are fundamental issues with the lack of aggressiveness of the defense that are related to coaching and have gotten progressively worse over time. The improvement will only come with some changes in the staffing, Sirmon.
With all due respect to the person Richie Brown is or his love and contributions to this program...no way could Thompson play any worse than Richie did this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree; but if we don't upgrade over Richie this season though, we won't be much better defensively next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
Thompson seems infinitely more off true 3-4 ilb type...a Reggie Ragland/Reuben foster-type...not that skill level, but much better suited for the positionQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I though Richie was pretty good in years past in a 4 - 3. He never looked like a fit for our great 3 - 4 this year.
We should have score way more but the drop passes hurt but on the other hand the way Miami was going up and down the field they should have scored more.
Well, a win is a win, but I hate the bend but don't break, even when we hold a MAC "powerhouse" to only 16 points.
BTW, Jack, the original Jack Lambert stated that they should just put the QB in a dress in the NFL years ago. The concussion problem has changed the D we used to watch for good measure health wise. Jack Tatum and the Morgan boys at State would surely have to change their safety play in today's game.
So our offense can't be learned until our players have been in it for at least 2 years.
And our defense can't be learned after spring, summer, and 12 complete games, if ever.
Forget stars, we need to be recruiting based on ACT scores!
We stunted a lot today. go watchQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I didn't see a lot of it but then at times I was only half way paying attention today. Maybe we'll start doing more of it in the future then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by sorrydog
Fitz is a SO. set some records and is the over leader in the SEC.
Dear is a SO....
Green is a Fr
Mixon is a SO
Williams is a SO
Thomas is a FR
Moon is a FR
Jackson, SO
Jenkins ...SO
Johnson is a SO
You have to have badass LB's to be successful in the 3-4 defense. 250 - 260 lbs. that can run and tackle. We have to get those guys to make this work. I don't know if we have those guys on the roster.
Those are the inside guys. BMac fits that mold. You just need 2 of them. You don't have to be that big on the outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandawg
Joe Lee Dunn disagreesQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Ha! I meant while Dan has been HC.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
We have a softness in our program that has gotten worse every year for the last 8....