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Not sure if there is any truth to this, but I read this rumor on another board & Brandon Walker also mentioned the rumor on "Keeping it 100" today.
Sounds like some of the young RBs may have created a stir in the meeting room.
Anyone heard about any of this?
I kind of hope we did. Something has to shakeup there. I'm a big fan of HOlloway, but there is no reason he needs 11 carries in a game. That's not good for the team and not good for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yeah, too many carries. I think some of his 4th quarter woes were due to many body shots he took through out the game... The oline shoulders responsibility tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Well.....what happened?
I sure hope so, someone has to get through to mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Well they're in there watching film and probably wondering why coach keeps pounding Holloway up the middle while they stand on the sidelines...
I'm sure all the youngs backs got on here and read how they were better than the starters and complained to the coaching staff***
But honestly, no clue who determines the RB playing time but I refuse to believe out of the group of guys we're recruited that we don't have a few competent runners. Aeris has looked fine when he's run it and Gibson and Murphy both looked good in the spring. As everyoen says Holloway has a very important role, but it's Darren Sproles.
First I've heard of it but hope it's true
Holloway in space is very effective but he gets far too many touches on plays that have him in between the tackles.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Williams only have 1 carry and it was for 7 yards?
2 for 12Quote:
Originally Posted by deltadawg99
************6.0ypc? That just sucks. No wonder he never saw more playing time. What kind of success can you have with that kind of poor production? NO, we need Holloway up the middle for half a yard.************Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
They're apparently disgruntled at their lack of playing time, is my guess, from what Brandon was saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
Well they should be upset about it
I agree aeris needs more carries. What's funny about what you said though is we had 34 carries for 250 yards ~ 7 yards per carry.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34
OM would love to have Williams, Murphey, and Gibson.
If it did happen I will say it doesn't end well for Mullen. Why?
1. Start of inmates running the asylum.
2. No leadership
3. Players losing trust in coaching staff
And I would love to have metcalf, Jefferson, and aj. Go work out the trade**Quote:
Originally Posted by Thick
As long as the players aren't going to the media complaining, I don't think it's a big dealQuote:
Originally Posted by fader2103
The Beaver must love them too ... they're playing in the first game of their career against, not USA, but FSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Jefferson is RS. Aj and metcalf did have impressive 1st half plays, but disappeared after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Van had 2 catches in the game monday nightQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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The total was inflated by WR runs, but even so, Holloway averaged like 4 yards per carry. I just don't understand what Aeris is doing that is preventing him from getting more than two carries. If he's bringing his bong with him to practice or beating up women in his spare time or what, he needs to cut it out and get some more playing time. And if he's not doing anything like that, then I really don't understand what the hell Mullen is doing. Of course I didn't understand what he was doing Perk's senior year, and I understand that a little better now.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And that's including these runs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
(14:55 - 1st) Brandon Holloway run for 2 yds to the MisSt 26
(6:03 - 2nd) Brandon Holloway run for a loss of 1 yard to the SAlab 25
(9:01 - 3rd) Brandon Holloway run for no gain to the SAlab 48
(11:23 - 4th) Brandon Holloway run for no gain to the 50 yard line
(8:43 - 4th) Brandon Holloway run for no gain to the MisSt 41
(7:48 - 4th) Brandon Holloway run for 2 yds to the SAlab 44
At least 4 of those were 2nd half. I think that's the danger in using him too much early. Bigger backs wear defenses down in the 2nd half, but Holloway isn't big so hits take their toll after early overusage imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
He was saying that he is a RS freshman, as opposed to a true freshman.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
Yep. Also of note, om played 2 freshmen and 2 RS freshmen in their secondary Monday night... That didn't turn out so wellQuote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
They wouldn't come here because Dan would have sat them for 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yea, those FR should be feeling real bad getting lit up by FSU in Tallahassee in their very first college game, since FSU normally doesn't do that to everybody, usually regardless of where they play. USA, on the other hand, usually does light up everybody they play on the road in Starkville, MS.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
RS or True FR .. they still playing their very first college game on the road against a NC contender.
They got lit up by a RS freshman qb... Not the point though. Playing freshmen isn't always the greatest thing ever like a ton of guys here seem to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Oh and you seem to really take offense with what you I guess took as a shot at om freshmen. Sorry, I offended you
Whatever ... I wasn't offended. Just thought your comment didn't hold water. True FR QB was in his home place with his fans behind him AND ... his head coach/former O coordinator wasn't concerned with what his team's D was doing, he was over there on the bench talking/working with his young RS FR QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well there have been a ton of posts talking about how great freshmen are yet my post was the only one that showed freshmen didn't play well. As someone in another thread said about all the freshmen playing in the sec last weekend, this was the worst start for the sec in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I don't understand Aeris getting more touches. But, has anyone thought that maybe our freshman just aren't talented enough to make the jump right away. Yes, that comes back on Mullen as well. But, if you look at the Freshman OM played I.E. Metcalf/Brown they were and are extremely talented and would be playing and probably starting at the majority of schools that offered them. We don't have a freshman or redshirt freshman for that matter that have the skill set they had coming out of highschool. I for one do not want a freshman that is not ready to play be left out to dry just for the sake of playing freshman.
Ever heard of Leo Lewis or Jeffrey Simmons?Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
Yes and looks like they are playing so I don't see the argument there. They were obviously highly rated as well. I am talking about our young RBs and other positions people are complaining about. Thanks for pointing that out though. What I am trying to get across is that our young freshman that are capable of playing are most certainly playing. Therefore I can only assume the other young guys that people here on this site want to play are obviously not ready to play. Again, thanks for proving my point that Mullen probably has a pretty good idea of who is ready to contribute and who is not.
Misunderstood you then... We seem to agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by BB30
It's not that playing freshmen is great, it's that when you have an upperclassman and an underclassman that are close, the underclassman has at least got to get close to half the snaps. If a guy has an extra year or more in the system and can't separate himself, you've got to at least roughly split the snaps (and touches for skill players on O) so that you give the underclassman a chance to reach his ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Last year, I could believe that neither Aeris Williams or D. Lee had it together off the field and that the true freshmen weren't ready, and therefore we had no choice but to play Shump and use Holloway as our primary back. But if you're telling me that out of Williams, Lee, Murphy, and Gibson, not one of them is more talented than Holloway as an everydown back and also capable of staying out of Dan's doghouse for off field issues, then that makes me think it's extremely likely Mullen is the problem. Either he's doing a shitty job recruiting or he has unrealistic expectations for behavior.
Mullen doesn't trust underclassmen at RB, until he is a Junior he won't get the carries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
No one is saying play all the freshmen and you know it. This is about playing better players, regardless of the their class, and really it's mostly about QB and RB, where we absolutely played the worst options out of each position.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
How many fumbles did aeris have last year? I know he had the huge one vs aTm, but I seem to remember more... Maybe he fumbles in practice or something and that makes Dan not trust him of somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85