Newman quotes from today's presser

"I think I've been consistent with my play lately. I've had a good season, but not a great season."

"In high school and AAU there were one or two great players on a team. In the SEC, everyone is a good player."

"We just have to keep playing and fighting and hope for better results."

"The guys that come here play hard every day."

"The only thing on my mind right now is finding a way to win."

I think that's all. They haven't announced it as over yet, though.

Thoughts?

I still think he leaves, but I think he needs more time as many on this board do. He has the talent. He just hasn't put it all together yet.

I think he has pretty much figured out he is not one and done

He'll stay if he wants to be a lottery pick. If he doesn't care about the lottery, he gone. I'd imagine we're still negotiating with Big Train about an extra season. That said, I think we can all agree Malik isn't where he needs to be at the point for the Association.

I give him props for saying the right things. Seems like he's bought in and understands the big picture. It would have been easy for him to be really down on this season.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

He'll stay if he wants to be a lottery pick. If he doesn't care about the lottery, he gone. I'd imagine we're still negotiating with Big Train about an extra season. That said, I think we can all agree Malik isn't where he needs to be at the point for the Association.

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I'll be shocked if he returns. He should, but I'm certain that he's gone.

I'm not expecting him back.

I posted this on the game thread but it works better here. There are only 12 one and dones in the draft this year and not many guards at all in that 12. 2015 was a weak class

I just looked on nbadraft.net and they dropped him all the way to the 60s and if that holds he will not be in the second round so yeah it would be in his best interest to come back. Also, they only have two UK players in the draft so they will have to process some high level players in order to make their numbers work. This might be the first year Cal's methods will screw him. Some of the players he thought were one and done aren't.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I'm not expecting him back.

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He's not even in the second round.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

He's not even in the second round.

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Depending on where you look.

At this point in order for him to jump and be a mid to late first rounder, he will have to dominate games from here on out and average at least 20+ points a game. If he does that, we will finish with a flourish and we could still get to .500 in the league. If he does not and he jumps, he would be lucky to go in the late second round. If that's the case, his best interest professionally would be to come back one more year.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Depending on where you look.

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nbadraft.net is pretty reliable when it comes to the NBA draft.

He would definitely be drafted if he left, but at this point it would either be the end of the 1st round or the 2nd. Nbadraft.net doesn't list him this year b/c they have him going in the 2nd round next year.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

He's not even in the second round.

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Of the D-League draft. Newman needs to eat of bowl of reality. Whoever is advising him to leave needs to not be around him any longer.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

nbadraft.net is pretty reliable when it comes to the NBA draft.

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I like draftexpress.com the best. nbadraft.net is the only mock draft site that doesn't have him in the 2nd round. Most mocks have him late 1st early 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

I'll be shocked if he returns. He should, but I'm certain that he's gone.

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He has no interest in returning up to this point

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

He has no interest in returning up to this point

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Who told you that?

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Originally Posted by smootness

He would definitely be drafted if he left, but at this point it would either be the end of the 1st round or the 2nd. Nbadraft.net doesn't list him this year b/c they have him going in the 2nd round next year.

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Sorry I'm not buying this. If he had big time physical upside I could see him still getting drafted in the 1st round but his size is a major knock on him. He is a PG in size that can't play PG. Teams at the end of the 1st made the playoffs. They ain't dumb and they ain't reaching.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

Who told you that?

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Someone who sees him daily. Not saying that it won't change, that's just what I heard a week ago.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Sorry I'm not buying this. If he had big time physical upside I could see him still getting drafted in the 1st round but his size is a major knock on him. He is a PG in size that can't play PG. Teams at the end of the 1st made the playoffs. They ain't dumb and they ain't reaching.

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Nm, misread you.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

Who told you that?

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I understand it's hard for people to comprehend. Logic doesn't always apply. Unless something drastic happens, he's gone. He is saying it, his friends are saying it, hell, even Howland is saying it.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Sorry I'm not buying this. If he had big time physical upside I could see him still getting drafted in the 1st round but his size is a major knock on him. He is a PG in size that can't play PG. Teams at the end of the 1st made the playoffs. They ain't dumb and they ain't reaching.

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Malik Newman has tons of talent. Teams at the bottom of the draft are smart. Getting a very talented player at a lower draft slot than his talent would suggest, leading to the possibility of getting a steal, is a smart move.

Walter Sharpe got drafted 1st round after being kicked off two teams and getting shot during a drug deal gone bad so I guess Newman could still possibly get drafted this year.

You think they ask him daily?

From what I've noticed about the nba, they are not in the business of development, either you're there or you're are not. Very rarely do NBA teams develop players that's why there are so many draft busts in the nba. Therefore, you have to develop prior to the draft. Newman is nowhere near developed. If he goes now, there is little chance he makes it, because he'll get lost in the D-Leauge like many others. If he's smart, he'll develop more before going

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Originally Posted by MaxedOutMaroon

From what I've noticed about the nba, they are not in the business of development, either you're there or you're are not. Very rarely do NBA teams develop players that's why there are so many draft busts in the nba. Therefore, you have to develop prior to the draft. Newman is nowhere near developed. If he goes now, there is little chance he makes it, because he'll get lost in the D-Leauge like many others. If he's smart, he'll develop more before going

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It's actually just the opposite. Now there are hardly ever 10 guys in the 1st round who can come in & make a real contribution to a team let alone be a focal point.

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

I understand it's hard for people to comprehend. Logic doesn't always apply. Unless something drastic happens, he's gone. He is saying it, his friends are saying it, hell, even Howland is saying it.

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If it was this cut and dry -- why show up in the first place instead of just going overseas and getting paid like he openly discussed? The "he gone no matter what" shoe does not fit -- I don't care what is being chattered among friends.

The dude isn't leaving to go undrafted. For all the crazy talk -- the actual decisions made along the way have been very deliberate. He has no guarantees of being drafted right now. And certainly no real guaranteed money. If -- at the end of the season -- he needs another year to continue to learn the point(the only place he has a real potential NBA future), he is going to make the wise decision. We will see how it shakes out.

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

You think they ask him daily?

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Nope

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Originally Posted by smootness

Malik Newman has tons of talent. Teams at the bottom of the draft are smart. Getting a very talented player at a lower draft slot than his talent would suggest, leading to the possibility of getting a steal, is a smart move.

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What does he have that translates well as an NBA 2 guard?

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Originally Posted by engie

If it was this cut and dry -- why show up in the first place instead of just going overseas and getting paid like he openly discussed? The "he gone no matter what" shoe does not fit -- I don't care what is being chattered among friends.

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So you think going to live alone in Italy/china/Spain for money at 18 is cut and dry but going to college for 1 year isnt?

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Originally Posted by Bubb Rubb

I understand it's hard for people to comprehend. Logic doesn't always apply. Unless something drastic happens, he's gone. He is saying it, his friends are saying it, hell, even Howland is saying it.

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And I'm OK either way because, to be honest, he is not the level of player I thought he would be coming out of HS from all of the hype. I mean just saying that as honestly and fairly as I can. I'm not sure what the NBA is looking for but so far, other than his ability to knock down a perimeter shot when he is relatively open, I'm not sure what other exceptional skill he is bringing to an NBA team. He's not a distributor and while he has gotten better driving to the basket, he has trouble finishing. Not really a big time rebounder or defender and doesn't have hops or athleticism that jumps out at you. Maybe part of what is holding him back is he is not playing with other elite players but usually an elite player playing with average players shows out more than Malik has done so far. Anyway, I don't mean to sound negative because I am very glad that he followed in his Dad's footsteps and chose to play for us. And he is still certainly one of our better players but I guess with all of the one and done talk I was expecting a higher level of performance than what we've seen. And if I'm looking from an NBA perspective, I would be fairly hesistant to use a first round pick on him.

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Originally Posted by engie

What does he have that translates well as an NBA 2 guard?

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I never he said he'd be drafted as a 2-guard.

And he can shoot really well from range. His ability to score near the basket hasn't shown up like I expected, but if that part of his game comes along, he has plenty of potential even as an undersized 2. The kid is really talented.

Late 1st-round picks in the NBA rarely amount to much. I definitely think there are teams that would rather use a pick like that on a high-ceiling, low-floor talent than somebody with little chance of ever amounting to much.

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Originally Posted by engie

What does he have that translates well as an NBA 2 guard?

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He can shoot. Good place to start for a shooting guard. I get your point, but thats a strong criticism.

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Originally Posted by smootness

I never he said he'd be drafted as a 2-guard.

And he can shoot really well from range. His ability to score near the basket hasn't shown up like I expected, but if that part of his game comes along, he has plenty of potential even as an undersized 2. The kid is really talented.

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If he is determined to **** up his NBA future so be it. Peters is a better PG already and he's still in high school. More minutes for Peters.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Late 1st-round picks in the NBA rarely amount to much. I definitely think there are teams that would rather use a pick like that on a high-ceiling, low-floor talent than somebody with little chance of ever amounting to much.

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100% agree. Ben Simmons isn't the best player in college ball but he's the best prospect bc of his ceiling. Not comparing the two, just that Malik has the talent to indicate his ceiling is much higher than his performance so far. Someone will take a low risk pick on the hope he reaches it.

Perhaps the NBA is making a bet to the future, but he sure doesn't look ready.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

100% agree. Ben Simmons isn't the best player in college ball but he's the best prospect bc of his ceiling. Not comparing the two, just that Malik has the talent to indicate his ceiling is much higher than his performance so far. Someone will take a low risk pick on the hope he reaches it.

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Talent at what exactly?

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I like draftexpress.com the best. nbadraft.net is the only mock draft site that doesn't have him in the 2nd round. Most mocks have him late 1st early 2nd.

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Even that website has Newman in the second round. Hey, if he is a lock for the first round I agree he should go but we have seen two websites both have him either in the second round or undrafted. If he is a second round pick, he should come back one more year.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

Even that website has Newman in the second round. Hey, if he is a lock for the first round I agree he should go but we have seen two websites both have him either in the second round or undrafted. If he is a second round pick, he should come back one more year.

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If he's being listed in the 2nd round he's running a big risk of not getting drafted. Lots of 2nd round grades go undrafted. Ask Jamont Gordon. There will be 10-15 euros get drafted that aren't listed on any draft boards right now. Teams can stockpile them and keep their rights while they develop overseas. Newman is a fool if he leaves.

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

So you think going to live alone in Italy/china/Spain for money at 18 is cut and dry but going to college for 1 year isnt?

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Is it all about the money or is it not?