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In other words, hopefully we get nych smith
I'm usually an optimist but I'd say that any shot we had with Malik just died.
In other news, whatever top-tier school gets them should be the immediate NC favorite.
I tried to send the word to our basketball staff in January that Malik was a package deal with Stone,so I called a friend with inside connections to the basketball program. I thought it would be good to get a jump on the competition. Now the whole world knows and I seriously doubt that our basketball staff did a damn thing to capitalize on this when they had the chance. Maybe Diamond Stone has zero interest in coming to State, but if I were RR, I would have busted my ass to get him to come take a look at MSU.
Ray has known for a long time. Sometimes- there's just not much you can do
Keep on defending. This staff cannot recruit. We are all waiting for you to admit it and we expect the same scrutiny you used with our last coach. Forget all your normal BS, it is all about wins and losses and competing regularly in the SEC.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Malik ain't coming here so what about the next ten best basketball players in MS/AL/TN/GA/FL/AR/LA. Newman ain't LeBron.
Quinndary Weatherspoon would be the guy I'm focusing my attention on. 6'5" 175lbs 2 guard from Velma Jackson. Offers from MSU, OM, TN, Wake Forest, & MTSU. Very nice stroke but also can attack the rim.
The prior staff couldn't coach. I guess we need to find a happy mediumQuote:
Originally Posted by coastdoglover
And isn't Malik Mewman the top rated player in his class? I know he has ties to us but is it realistic to think if he has Duke, Kentucky, etc lining up begging him to come that we would be sitting pretty. I don't thin it matters who the coach is.
This. I hate to pull Stansbury's name into the issue, but as good of a recruiter as he was, did he himself ever land one of these top-rated guys that every big name program wanted? It's true that Ray hasn't shown a lot of recruiting ability thus far, but losing out on a top-rated, nationally-recruited player isn't a strike against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
This staff can't recruit? Based on what? On the fact that the #1 player in the country, who we probably had at best a 10% shot to land to begin with, decided he wants to be a package deal with the #3 player in the country who has no ties at all in any way to Mississippi State, and we can't land them both? Seriously?
Was Ray supposed to convince Newman not to be a package deal with this kid? Or was he supposed to convince Stone to come play at State, for essentially no reason?
I enjoy the assumption that a) Ray didn't know about the package deal already, and b) that he didn't care about it and decided he didn't want the #3 overall player in the country.
Good grief, people. If you want to fire Ray, then wait until we see what we have on the court and if it's bad, use that.
But trying to use the fact that he can't land two top-5 players against him only proves your agenda.
at this poing we are just beating a dead horse. Ray has two ways to save his job this year. get to the NIT or land a recruiting class that gives the fanbase hope. Do neither of those and i don't think there is any saving him.
Well by God- why isn't the old network helping them like they did our previous coach????!!Quote:
Originally Posted by coastdoglover
And you can't indict him until the players he has in September on campus start hitting the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
I've moved on from Newman, he's got $ signs in his eyes and I don't blame him. He's about 24 months away from being a multi-millionaire. We need to move up a couple notches from losing to winless TCU to middle of the pack SEC at least before we can hope to be landing top 50 players. I like the suggestion of Quinndary Weatherspoon. Ray should be all over these types. How much time and energy is Ray and his staff spending on Newman when it could be spent on the Quinndary Weatherspoon types?
Where does this leave us as far as schollys and our roster going forward? I have fallen behind a bit in basketball recruiting I'm sad to say
Whatever chance we had to land him was too low to even register on a scale. This is not surprising news.
To add to this point- Bo Ryan at Wisconsin can't get them both, thus he can't recruit either. Anyone with a brain knows a kid from Wisconsin isn't coming to play basketball at state no matter who the coach is. And a kid from Mississippi isn't going in a package to Wisconsin. It's nuts. Our odds were bleak to get Malik alone. As a package they are impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I am in the camp of giving Ray a year to see how his players pan out but Stans did sign Montae Ellis who could have gone wherever he wanted. He just so happened to be the first ever guard at 6' to be drafted out of high school the last year it was possible. Stans also signed Jonathan Bender but most people thought he was 50/50 at best to come to college before he blew up the McD's allstar game.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Stans worst class would probably be better than the best Rick Ray class but you also had to deal with the drama and lack of Xs and Os.
Like it or not, Ray gets 2 more years.
Let's just support him and if he succeeds, great. If he doesnt, we can hire Stan Jones.
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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
I don't think people realize how exactly correct your post truly is in regards to the baseball stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
? Explain ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacksondevildog
What is fify?
I meant to quote the response about the baseball stadium. Us being down in hoops has put more financial focus on the baseball stadium renovations. I know that for a fact.
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Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Ahhh, so yall can handle bball until 2017?
Now I don't know what chance Stans would have had with Newman given people here think Horatio didn't like him but yes, Stans pulled in quite a few top name players like you are talking about in guys like Monta Ellis, Jonathan Bender, Travis Outlaw, Mario Austin, Rodney Hood and even Renardo Sidney (as bad as that turned out). There were others that were just below that level that he reeled in as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Romero Osby and goodridge were wanted by everyone too
He lost his fair share from in state too, D. Rice, A. Mcdyess, and J. Reed, just to name a few. With that said he was a good recruiter and excelled in getting many of his top targets. His problem was keeping them and then coaching them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I'm not cool with us sucking till the completion of the park because I believe we can afford to build the stadium and hire a $2mill a year basketball coach at the same time. If we have to wait till 2017 we will lose a lot of fans for a long time. If they'd make a big hire in basketball it'd actually generate more money towards the new park. I think they have the steps backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
If ray doesnt win this year or next, he is gone. So 2016 if he keeps losing.
I dont think the stadium will be held up by basketball regardless.
No it's the exact opposite that I'm saying is the case. The basketball hire will be delayed till the completion of the stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
I'm not going to all out disagree because I honestly didn't mean to and don't want to take any shots at Stansbury, but I have a hard time counting those he didn't get to campus as players successfully recruited. That's not to say Stansbury should have been able to convince them to put off a sure spot in the pros to go to school; I just think you can't say their recruitments would have been the same had they and everyone else not been pretty sure they were NBA-bound. I'd also put Hood on that "just below" level you mentioned, and Sidney isn't the same in that he no longer had unlimited options when it came time to sign the papers.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Again, I don't mean this as a slight against Stansbury in any way; I just think it's unfair to hold Newman against Ray when even the best recruiter in our program's history didn't have a ton of success recruiting players of his caliber with his options.
No one thought Montae Ellis was going to the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Well no we didn't get them to campus but I don't think their recruitment would have been much different today. I don't think anyone backed off those guys because they MIGHT go pro. In fact Ellis may have been the only one that most thought would go pro and he ended up in the second round but signed anyway. Bender shot up the draft in the McD AA game well after signing and nobody really though Outlaw was a serious threat to get drafted but he did as like the last pick in the first round. It could change but right now Ray's recruiting of in-state players is not even on the same planet with what Stans had going. And yea, I know Stans had some help but he also worked his ass off in the recruiting game as well. Anyone who has ever heard about the effort he put in to get Austin away from Bama knows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
da ****?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I dont know anybody that didnt. I talked to a football coach from Murrah the summer before his Sr year and he told me Ellis was NBA all the way- he would never see college. Outlaw was headed to the NBA also if there was any chance. Bender was the only surprise because he blew up atthe McDonald's game.
Holy shit- Ellis was always a pipe dream
I see my retort to Grandpa about the "old network" fell on deaf ears
Ray has 2 more seasons folks- might as well get used to it
Well he barely went in the first round and at the time no 6 foot shooting guard had went straight to the nba. You really need to get over the Stans hate. Travis Outlaw was going when he got a 1st round guarantee from Portland. Bender was actually the most prototypical high school player because he was 6'11 and could shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
but all they were told was that he was going to get drafted mid-1stQuote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe