while Pearl will bring Auburn up from the ashes. You've got no chance in basketball if you can't get high end players to sign on with your program. I assume we are not looking good for Newman?
http://www.secrant.com/news/105535/5...sect=home_main
while Pearl will bring Auburn up from the ashes. You've got no chance in basketball if you can't get high end players to sign on with your program. I assume we are not looking good for Newman?
http://www.secrant.com/news/105535/5...sect=home_main
JMO.... The sooner we admit the Rick Ray experiment was a failure, the faster we can get back to being a top tier SEC BB program.
I agree completely. I share your Opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbo352
But I'm sure our opinions will somehow be proven wrong.
All I know is that winning 10 SEC games just got a lot harder for Ray. AU on the road will be extremely tough.
Im hoping that we see some real progress next year.
There are a lot of assumptions being made here. His other option was Providence.
Holy shit, Auburn won't need a year before they beat the crap out of us in basketball, it'll be this year. Go ahead and spend $100 million on a new ballpark though guys that'll only extend us getting a good coach at $2 mill a year for idk like 6 years.
Hope you like the NIT cause that's all 10 wins will get us and there ain't no way in hell we'll get 10 wins anyways. We can't even fill a roster going into year 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Baseball postseason must be over, back to the why Stans sucks and why Ray hadnt been gave a chance and then visa versa.
Should be great conversation******
How do you bookmark a thread?
No clueQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
At some point you have to take a step back and recognize that he didn't get a fair shake, he isn't going to get one, and the best thing for everybody is to move on. You can't let somebody sit around and flounder because it's your fault they are in a shitty position. Move on to somebody everybody can go with and get on with life.
lol... I have no data to argue, just a feeling that Ray was doomed from the start. I said from the very beginning it would be the coach after Ray that brought us back. Just the nature of the beast.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I know this is a discussion we've had a million times already, but it's still too early to do this. He didn't get a fair shake in the sense that he started in a terrible spot; it was never going to get fixed in 2 years. Just because he hasn't gotten it fixed in 2 years doesn't mean he won't. I think he deserves at least this year. If we're still in the same spot after this year, then make a change. But if we have reason to believe, based on this coming year, that he is moving us in the right direction, then he deserves more time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by codeDawg
MSU can't just sit back and watch Pearl and everyone else do laps around Ray in recruiting. There is no sense of urgency with Ray. None. Why is Pearl already landing #1 scorers in the nation that are immediately eligible to play this upcoming year? Why have we not gotten one single transfer in basketball in a world filled with survivors feeding off of transfers. We are starving for help and yet refuse to add help. Why? Because we have suddenly become above it? We are better than stooping to the depths of accepting transfers that will help immediately? Boy that's awfully high and mighty of the glorious prestigious Mississippi State basketball program. Last in the standings but first in class. "Doing it the right way" by Croom Ray.
First of all, you know why Pearl is able to land players. Second, I have no idea the circumstances surrounding this guy, but neither does anyone else. As I said, his other option was Providence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
You continue to use 'no sense of urgency', but your definition of 'urgency' is what someone else would define as 'cutting corners that will hurt you in the long run'. As always, we still have to let it play out to see which strategy is better.
we are gonna stick with ray for 2 more years with no progress and then no one is gonna wanna coach here.
I don't disagree with you on this year, but if there is not significant progress in recruiting and on the court, we need to move on to someone the program supporters will get behind. He's always going to be playing from behind. Nobody in any program can do it without outside help. That's not his fault, but it is our problem. Let's get somebody in here that can get everybody paddling in the same direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Worry not -- It's just Cadaver attempting to bring an argument from one thread that he went personal attack mode in multiple times before locking into practically every other thread on the front page I've checked thusfar...Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbo352
If ray gets us in the nit this year, I'll be happy with him. I think we can do it too if ready can stay healthy and Fred builds on the end of last season. If ready stats hurt again and Fred goes back to the early season form, ray is probably doomed
Year 3 is go time. Now is time for him to either prove it or get out. His grace period is over with everybody, and it's time to see serious progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by codeDawg
How is adding immediate transfers "cutting corners" when EVERYONE else is doing it but us? To "cut corners" means to be gaining an advantage by taking the faster more dangerous route but it's not "cutting corners" if the entire rest of the pack is doing it. We might be the only Power6 school in the nation to not have added a transfer in the last 3 years. This old-school way of thinking of building up a program is never going to work with how basketball is today. It's also a cop-out for Ray's inability to recruit for jack. He can't recruit vs major college coaches. He loses every battle.
What kind of one-year transfer do you believe we would have attracted given the state of our team the last couple of years?
Isaiah Williams, PG transferring from Samford is visiting this weekend. 12pts, 1.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists per game. Not bad #'s but it was at Samford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Immediate or have to sit?Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
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Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Surely not! Our problem was never lack of talent. Our problem was the coach, or so I read here. So it is simple. Just get a new coach. It has always been about the coach. Everyone who coaches here shoul be able to get us to the sweet sixteen nearly every year.
And stansbury has already gotten a top transfer to chose A&M over ucla. Is it too much to ask Ray to find one transfer? He tried with the Wake Forrest pg and lost him to vandy.
Also lost T.J. Lang to Auburn. Not a transfer but a decommit from Va Tech that was between us and Auburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raytoraid83
If he's an immediate transfer eligible right away then Ray will be at 13 and I'll shut my mouth for awhileQuote:
Originally Posted by C222
He'll have to sit a year I believe. He is also visiting Butler.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
6'1, 160lbs will be a soph, 46 for 118 .390 on 3s. Good shooter and looks to be an upgrade over Davis. He's small though, another small guard but at least this one can shoot and has experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
You know, if you are mad that Rick Ray doesn't cheat, then just say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
We would be at 13 whether he's able to play immediately or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Hell yes, C222. Dropping knowledge, I love it. And good info. Any others you know of?Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
please no more smurf point guards. Unless they are world-class. A 12 point smurf from Samford-Just Say No. I want 6'3" point guards or bigger. Defense is crucial, We already have dwarfs for PGs that everyone just shoots over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Hmmm yes we would but only have 12 available to play assuming we stay as is. InterestingQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Yep, Auburn didn't do any real favors to Ray in hiring Pearl b/c it's a standard for us to judge. Ray basically wins this year or I think he's gone.
Not mad he doesn't cheat. More like mad because he gets his ass kicked in recruiting and refuses to bring in immediate. Full ride to an SEC school to play basketball sells itself. You don't have to cheat to get 100 players foaming at the mouth for that opportunity. I don't want to hear excuses anymore. Tennessee signed 8 players in one month, Auburn just signed the leading scorer in the nation, Ole Miss has brought in eight new players. What have we done for me to get excited about? What? How are we any better this next year than this last year? Because we have 4 more guys on our bench? Because we got to see a 2 minute clip of baby Giraffe in the gym? YayQuote:
Originally Posted by KB21
...which is the situation for just about every program in the country. Almost everyone is redshirting someone or has a transfer sitting out a year. Your standard is insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Why don't we just wait until the season starts. Ray's job isn't to make you excited or to make everyone think we're going to be way better. It's to actually get better and win games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I'm personally excited about the fact that we return essentially everybody, so everyone should be improved. And I'm excited about Daniels and Ndoye, and I'm excited to see what Ray runs when he has a full roster of athletic guys to work with.
You are not excited by that, that's fine. But neither my excitement nor your lack of it means anything for this year. The fact that you don't see a reason to get excited doesn't mean we'll be just as bad as last year, and my excitement and hope doesn't mean we'll be way better.
But continuing to use the exact same arguments when there has been no change (and no one should have expected big changes, we've always known what Ray's plan was) in anything since last season.
If he was some stud that would be an immediate starter an impact transfer like Moultrie or Roberts I would count it but he's just a bench filler that's eating a scholi for a year so no I won't count it. He's still short one. How's that for insaneQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness