I could have done without it, and all the "media hype".
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/12/us/mic...kiss-reaction/
I am not sure he will make the Rams roster.
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I could have done without it, and all the "media hype".
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/12/us/mic...kiss-reaction/
I am not sure he will make the Rams roster.
I personally have no problem with it. Wish him the best. But LOLZ to the Marshall Henderson twitter reaction and meltdown afterward.
I've found that having a good sense of humor about things is the best way to live. I'm sure some kids watching got a fun surprise though.
I actually think he'll at least get some good work in on ST if nothing else.
I personally hate how all of this has been forced upon us. I don't care to see gay couples kissing in public but that's their "right " I suppose. That being said, espn is trying to force everyone to accept it. Michael sam has the same right as every other football player in the nfl and the draft, but I hate how it is more about his sexual orientation.
according to Ian Rapoport, Sam is number 2 on rookie jersey sales behind Mr. Football. That's crazy. especially if he doesn't even make the Rams roster.
I didn't have a problem with it. I generally don't like PDA, regardless of orientation, but I had no more a problem with Sam kissing his partner than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
He was obviously generally very happy and emotional. I'm happy for them.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by trob115
What people don't want to understand, is that disagreeing with homosexuality doesn't make you uneducated or anything else. I personally don't agree with the gay parade, so I'd rather not see them kiss. But I really don't GAF, and had he not been gay, he wouldn't have even had a camera on him.
I don't have a problem with gay rights and whatnot but I was out eating and saw him making out with his boyfriend on TV and it made me uncomfortable in front of my family (3 year old included). Someone asked if I would be uncomfortable if it was a straight couple, and it would also be inappropriate for ESPN to broadcast what felt like a 5 minute make out session during a sportscast. So yes. But it's different and you can't compare the two because it's different.
ESPN sucks ass sometimes, especially when it's a headline that will get picked up by real journalists.
I laughed because it looked staged/planned to me. But that's all I really thought about it.
http://cdn.urbanislandz.com/wp-conte...n-kiss-pic.jpg
If you look at it from the point of football...the guy is just an average NFL player. No other player around his draft position get near the attention. So, the real question is, does he get attention for being a great player or because he is gay? We all know the answer. Does SportsCenter show the guy picked before him or after him kissing his girlfriend? Of course not! Why would they? If there is Any way the media can portray this choice as "normal" they will jump all over it. The only thing that is considered offensive to people today is Christian Values and Decency!
All excellent points and I agree. Nobody is discriminated against more than the conservative Christian in today's United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgSaint
It was a good PR move by STL b/c as I heard today only 50% or so of 6th and 7th round picks even play in an NFL game ever. So they get good PR and some jersey sales, etc. Good for them. Good for him. But I agree that I hate the way it's being forced upon on like it's some kind of human achievement that a gay football player could be drafted. We all know there are guys in all sports that have been in the closet for some time and most of their teammates probably know so it's relaly less of a big deal than any of the media tries to make it out to be.
It does make it appear that he is going to play it up and that will rub some folks the wrong way.
I don't care if he's gay but the celebration of all this makes me dislike the fact that everything he does will be magnified because he's gay.
The mythical war on Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgSaint
And I'd be interested to hear what your definition of 'decency' is.
I just turned the channel and quit watching the whole thing ... I guess I'm one of the few that nobody cares about offending .... oh yeah, Modern Family also sucks
It's actually a little uncomfortable when anybody does PDA in front of me. However, it's time to stop labeling people as second-class citizens based only on who and how they love. Man up.
is it a coincidence the Rams signed Him. Would have been worse if the Packers did***
I see. So you want ESPN to be completely egalitarian with its airtime, but you think Christian views on homosexuality should receive special treatment under the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgSaint
Flawless logic. ***
Then change the channelQuote:
Originally Posted by trob115
Breaking News: There's a gay man.***
Always cracks me up when someone makes this statement. Within five miles of my house there are at least 7 large conservative Christian churches. There are probably more but that is off the top of my head. Cite an example of this alleged discrimination. Michael Sam kissing his boyfriend is not an example of conservative Christians being discriminated against. It is an example of conservative Christians not being allowed to discriminate.Quote:
Originally Posted by trob115
It was staged and contrived for TV purposes. It was a spectacle. I'm just aggravated that every piece of coverage from the draft is centered around the 259th pick of the draft just because he's gay and he staged a kiss for ESPN (at their direction, I'm sure).Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
I don't understand their thinking. They want to be treated equally and not be made a spectacle, then they make spectacles of themselves. Just like all this "coming out" like it's some big deal. You're gay? Just be gay, don't hide it. We'll figure it out on our own. I have some gay friends. None of them "came out". When they started dating people of the same sex, we all figured it out, went "oh", and moved on about our business. If it's not supposed to be a big deal any more, then stop making it a big ****ing deal.
ESPN just couldnt mention him too much the other day. Obama calls him. The national media loves him. My homepage here at work is MSN, who cant post too many gay articles every day anyways, has THE KISS prominently displayed.
If you are gay ...fine. I wish no harm and wish you well.... but i am TIRED of the national media ramming this issue down our throats(no pun intended) over and over and over again. ENOUGH...MOVE ON from the advocacy on this issue.....
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Originally Posted by DawgSaint
You still refuse to get it. Lovers kiss in public all the time. Are they always making a spectacle of themselves? It's about the end of the double standard. It's not about the media; it's about people.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
HahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Lol. Wow. This conversation is obviously waaaaay over your head. I can't believe you ACTUALLY thought that would be a good response. Holy cow...Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
So if the #248 pick (Ahmad Dixon) kissed his girlfriend, it would be newsworthy too?Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Agree with whoever said he wouldn't have had a camera on him if he wasn't gay. Very contrived and forced. My concern is Dan Patrick who continually refers to Sam as a 'sack specialist'.
I'll be honest, I thought it was pretty gross, but I would rather not watch anyone kissing. And, I am not Gay.
Let me bring you up to speed. That wasn't PDA, that was ESPN putting 40 cameras on the guy and saying "when we point to you, kiss like you'll never see each other again" and then having them look awkward and contrived when the camera comes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
PDA on the other hand, is natural, not planned or forced. Like the gay couple my wife and I sat next to at Ruth's Chris a couple months ago. They touched and kissed some just like any other couple out on a date. No problem. Or when my family was at disney during gay week. Lots of PDA there. No problems. All the "hey, I'm gay, look at me!!!" bullshit (like this was) is annoying. Especially when you're complaining about being treated differently out the other side of your mouth.
Exactly...Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Sorry folks...but it is history. First openly gay NFL draftee. It WILL be a news story and rightfully so.
Or maybe the first black woman to stand up to segregation by refusing to move to the back of the bus should have been skimmed over in history class?
Maybe women's right to vote should be just a footnote as well?
Sorry...you might not agree with it, but it is a land mark moment and will be treated as such in the media.
I agree Boo, I'd rather not watch anyone making out. But there is one thing that many on here will not admit and I'm going to do it and I know I'll get trashed by some who want to see who can be the king liberal on the board. God gave all of us emotions that sometimes cannot be explained. They were not taught to us. just natural instincts. and the fact of the matter is, the majority of heterosexual males finds two men kissing as disgusting. I can't explain why but we do. and I'll give some of the libs on the board some extra ammo to trash me. I'm not bothered by "girls gone wild" when they make out. call me a hypocrite all day long. frankly I don't give a damn. I do not seek to hurt gay people's feelings. I would never say anything to their face that would be rude. I don't avoid being around them, working with them or anything like that. I don't make it a point to avoid them. They are welcomed at my table. I'll have a drink with them and break bread with them as I have done plenty of times in the past. I DON'T want to see them making out. I find it disturbing and disgusting. In a way, I wish those emotions were not in me but there is nothing I can do to change who I am or what rattles my chains.
I guess there is a reason God made men the way he did. he works in mysterious ways. If gay people want respect from mainstream America, they need to show some respect for us as well and I see very little of that from the gay community these days and the left winged folks who want us to ignore who WE really are as well.
Wow. That was about as generic a retort as it gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
You say it shouldn't be a big deal anymore.... Well guess what? They are still being denied the rights of straight couples. If you were in that situation, would you pipe down?
What is hard to understand about this? If you simply want the issue to go away and don't care one way or the other... You should advocate gay rights. Wanting the issue to simply "go away" with no change is saying the status quo is acceptable, which is decidedly anti-gay rights. So instead of tip-toeing around the issue, just say what you mean.
Please respond to this with more substance than the quote above.
The coverage for a seventh round pick is waay overblown. He totally bombed at the combines. He'll never make the squad.
For those of us who are Christian, we view homosexuality as a sin. Therefore, as Christians, it is not discriminatory of us to disapprove, as we would any sin, including the numerous ones we commit ourselves. Yet is is wrong, IMO to take judgment in our own hands and punish those who are gay. Leave it to God.
I think most of us don't have a personal problem with someone being gay (assuming it's not our own family). We just have a problem with it being foisted upon us by a community and/or media eager to have it considered "normal" or "main-stream". For Christians it is neither of those. You might as well try to convince us it's also OK to have open and public cheating on your spouse. We know a lot of married folks do that, but it's still wrong according to our beliefs.
Personally, I think what gay people do is between them and God. I don't look down my nose at them, I just consider what they are doing to be a sin. But I do resent being preached to by those eager to promote homosexuality as normal. When people try to force it upon me as anything less than a sin, it is in direct conflict with my religious beliefs, therefore I am offended, just as I am by atheists intent to remove any and all reference of God from the public.
This is an honest post that makes several good points. I would just say that there are all kinds of things on TV that I think are seriously F'ed up. Stories and very graphic imagery involving gore, torture, rape etc. I watch SVU and I'm like.... man.... Who finds this enjoyable? So I guess the point is that I just change the channel and do my best to avoid things that make me cringe. I don't think it is wrong or unnatural if you like gore, etc. Many people do. I just chalk it up to folks being different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
Also, I don't remember the last time I saw a couple make out in public. A peck here and there maybe, but not making out or swapping spit. I'd be embarrassed to make out in public. It should be a private thing. Also, when I make out with my Wife, it's time to go to the bedroom.
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg