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I've seen this mentioned here and other sites and I dont understand it.
To me- a lazy recruiter is one that just tells his people to purchase Recruit A or Recruit B. Buy their love.
I dont see this staff doing that. They are out working their ass off to get people here on campus that dont have their hand out. Thats seems to me like its a much harder and labor-intensive route to recruiting...
Oh, andi can tell ya no coach has been to more Malik Newman games than Ray
Lazy recruiter = Croom
He isn't bringing in good enough players....
2015 class is pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE
He has yet to sign or get a commitment from a 4 star or top 100 recruit
All role players no superstar in either the 2014 or 2015 classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Every UK recruit 2 years ago was a top 50 and they couldn't make the NCAA.. Just because he hasn't got a top 100 guy yet doesn't mean he is lazy.. And he has been here LESS than 2 years. He has 2 of the top 5 in the state this year..Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg
I think Dante Scott has the potential to be far more than a role player.
And sure, his recruiting hasn't blown anyone away yet. How in the world does that mean he's lazy? That's stupid.
But the problem with this thread was taking Dawg61 seriously to begin with. I have yet to find anyone with a negative opinion of Ray who hasn't, over time, proven himself to be so over-the-top with his negative opinion that he didn't give himself away as just being anti-Ray from the beginning.
No one who is legitimately going to give Ray a fair shake has made up his mind yet.
That in no way means he is a "lazy recruiter"Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg
How do you know they arent.??? Stands didn't even offer Summers at OM. He will prob get drafted in 2015.. He was a 3* from Mississippi..Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg
Well ineffective and lazy are two different things. And even then we don't know if he can properly evaluate talent and just not bring them in (ineffective) or if he doesn't judge talent well (ineffecient).
Personally I thought Ready, which thusfar is really the only guy we can judge on, was going to provide a big boost. His highlights seemed to show some skill, but I haven't seen much of that thusfar. And he's had a number of injuries which make it tough to judge as well.
Bottom line is that we know we suck but we really I don't think have much of a clue on what we have or don't have other than he's not as lax with the team rules as many coaches probably are.
Next year will allow us to really start making some semi-valid judgements.
I agree, doesn't mean he is lazy and I don't think he is lazy. Ray is just not a good recruiter to date at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Ray seems to be the opposite of lazy.
Who are these two Mr. Wonderlic? Black plays in Florida. Wonder where Black ranks in Florida talent?Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Well it would mean he is not an effective recruiter. In the end all that matters is the quality of player you sign, lazy recruiting or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He's put one recruiting class on the court. Hard to say what he is at this point- but it damn sure aint "lazy"Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
And I bet he has improved as a player since transferring to Im sure a much better school.. So yes I considered him a MS rated player in the top 5 since we he signed with us while he was still in MS..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Mr Wonderlic.??? Look if you want to go on the spirit or 24/7 and go back and forth with Dahatriggerman (most of you all know who he is) then go over there and let him have it.. Just don't post stuff that makes u seem like your 15. And my apologies to all you of you good 15yr old posters if you are on here.... No disrespect intended..
Look at the little details with Ray's recruiting to see the laziness. Troutman still doesn't have an offer from us. People want to discredit Troutman as a good enough player? Alright fine but WHO is Ray offering his 13th scholarship to? I'll hang up and listen.
Ray is lazy because he hasn't brought in immediate help when he needs it the most. Wasn't Colin Borchert placed at EMCC by Stansbury? Ray is about to get shitcanned and yet he still is on the slow molasses train to better your basketball program through years of suck and hustle. Where's the urgency to get immediate help? I haven't seen it since he showed up on campus yet he's quick to throw the ones Stansbury had out of his program.
he might be the hardest working Recruiter in the SEC. But if that is so, then it means He is the worst recruiter in The SEC. The Bottom Line is this--So Far His recruiting has nothing to hang His Hat ON. Ready, is that His claim to Fame. He might be better off in Claiming Lazy as opposed to Shitty.
How do you define "superstar?" Stansbury only had a handful of players who could even come close to being called "superstars" in fifteen years, and you expect Ray to be recruiting them already? Besides, many of Stansbury's best players were either "role players" or lightly recruited.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg
I'm not trying to make this another Stansbury issue by the way, I'm just not extremely knowledgeable about MSU basketball before the late 90's and don't have much else to compare to.
A) Troutman doesnt have an offer because we are considering other players- are you that dense on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
B) Just like Cohen- we arent going for the quick-fix but building the program the way it should be. It's not hard to figure out.
There is more to program building than just finding someone and signing them at the last minute
Jackson Davis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I wonder if Stans was still here or if we had hired another coach besides RR if Stanley would be making his way down to Starkville to play football and basketball.???? Will ES every play hoops or if he does be a difference maker on the court maybe / maybe not.. But if RR didn't have a little hand in this he wouldn't be playing Football on saturdays in the near future here either...
and 2 of his top players were via transfers..Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Great so who is Ray offering his 13th scholarship to that will actually sign it? We have a better chance with Malik Newman than Jackson Davis.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...-attention-now
So you want superstars but you don't want him going after superstars?? Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I do want superstars and I'm glad he's going after him but like I've already said twenty times before I want Ray to fill up his entire roster. 13 scholarship players. By game 1 of 2014. He can't do it. I've called him out ten months before his due date and he still won't get it done. This is why Ray is lazy. And you all will finally see it 10 ****ing months from now. Get 13 Ray and KEEP 13 or get gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Just watched his highlights, kid is legit. Just seems as if we may be a little to late to the party seems as if Vandy is the team to beat for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Not sure how Rick Ray stands going head to head against Vandy.
Fixed it for you. That one player is Ready, everyone else was already on the team the year before that's eligible. I mean technically Borchert, Bloodman, and Davis were in his shortened "first" recruiting class (and we lost Applewhite for some unknown reason) and they are actually contributing more than his FULL recruiting class of ONE so far. Why we chose to sign only 3 guys last year given 2 had academic problems is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
17 61 and 13
He is really good. He committed to Rice last year and didn't sign in November. Everyone is offering him now. Vandy, UCONN, Butler, etc. We did visit with him a couple weeks ago but yeah, we are probably late.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg
I believe that was because he signed Deville. Wayne Brent made no mention of the problems that Deville was having. When asked later he "I thought you would have somebody that could fix him"Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Deville Smith is playing just fine for UNLV right now. That's one we should of redshirted and gotten help for his second year instead of kicking to the curb. UNLV has a pretty decent team too. Much better than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
IM glad the kid apparently has gotten the help he needed and may have a great career at UNLV. But doesn't it throw up a HUGE red flag about where our program was.. Where Deville cant get the guidance and help he needs in STARKVILLE but he seems to be doing fine in VEGAS??? I have been to Vegas . A lot . With everything that is there and being basically on the strip Im not sure I could have stayed out of trouble in Vegas if I played there..Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
I don't know anything about his recruiting besides looking at the sites, but i wouldn't think he is a lazy recruiter. "Superstars" are tough to get, Mullen has trouble with this and hes went to 4 straight bowls. However, he gets the guys that will fit the system and develops them and that makes up for some of the difference. We will find out about Ray's recruiting soon enough, the next two years will show his ability to recruit and develop.
Now that takes the prize for "lets blame Stansbury". It wasn't a basketball problem..Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
because we can only have 13 guys on scholly, We cant oversign in basketball and pray it works outQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Smith was kicked out by the AD- Ray had nothing to do with Deville leaving. Sidney and Deville both were told there was no place for them at Miss State before we even hired RayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Not Stansbury's fault in particular, but someone at UNLV obviously got him the help he needed that no one here managed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
Ole Coach34 pushing his anti-Stans agenda.
Rick Ray is an assistant, but Stricklin hired him to be a head coach. It was ignorant at the time, and now even the folks who have been sticking their head in the sand with all the "BOY HE CAN COACH" garbage have to admit that it is a colossal train wreck. Me personally, I could care less. I won't watch an MSU basketball game again until we are at least borderline tournament worthy. We used to be borderline tournament every single year, and basketball season was fun. Now it sucks. If you like it better now than before, then you are a loser. I like winning. Not get pummeled every day. Don't get this thing twisted. Rick Ray is no John Cohen. I told everyone on this board John Cohen was a top 5 coach in the country and literally got laughed at. Well lookie lookie. My my my how the times have changed.
It was ignorant to ever fire Stans without knowing you have a plan in place to effectively transition. All the garbage about how it went down, it's all a big smoke screen. Stans got pushed out, and it was an ignorant move. We were made to look like fools in the public perception because we couldn't execute even a mediocre hire after we fired a man who consistently was at the top of the SEC West where programs like LSU, Bama, and Auburn, all of which have huge pockets, can't hire a winner after decades of trying. We had a winner and we trashed him because he wasn't a top 10 coach. We will never have a top 10 coach because the top 10 coaches go to top 10 schools. You want to fire a winner "because we can't break through to the sweet 16, so if you want to put up with just making the tournament, then you are settling." Well, now that we've fired our winner, we still don't make sweet 16's. The only change is that now we are the worst program in the SEC. Congrats on that. It's exactly what I said would happen at the time.
Coach34: Be a man and own it. You had an agenda. You pushed it for years. You got your wish, and now you are holding a bad of dump. Nobody cares about whether Ray is a lazy recruiter. He's a shitty head coach. I can tell you that much. So who cares about his laziness.