MSU is STILL Not Serious About Football

What a shitshow this offseason has been.

We hire Zach Arnett as DC which I don't really need to expound on too much. He's one of the most overrated DC in MSU history and literally the only reason MSU fans like the guy is because he coached under Leach, has a farm in Starkville, and wears cowboy boots. Yep folks- that's how MSU fans decide whether you're a good football coach or not. You got a farm and you wear cowboy boots. Bonus points for picking up orange cones at practice. But lose the team, completely run the program into the ground, and basically turn it over to idiot boosters and their high school coach friend? Yeah- we'll take you back as DC. You simply do not see other schools picking their coaches based on BS like that. And that's why MSU loses- because we focus on the wrong things. BS like how redneck they act and how much they let the QB run the ball shouldn't be factors at all. But with MSU fans it is.

And then you have Bumphis who couldn't coach or recruit- but we're mad that he is gone because none of that matters because he was from Tupelo. One of the rare good moves Lebby made this whole offseason.

Also, why the **** is Cliff Odom still around? He apparently hasn't gotten to the point where our guys know how to return kicks because all they ever do are fair catch everything. Except when we're kicking the ball and our snapper is ****ing that up for the umpteenth time.

But this thing with Sneh to me just absolutely takes the cake. Only MSU would be the ONLY school in the entire NCAA that is trying to follow the rules. WHY? First of all, whoever made the mistake of thinking that Sneh had any eligibility should be fired tomorrow. And yes, make it public like MSU did with the media team after the NSD debacle just so that our fans know that you are at least trying to give a shit. But second of all that shouldn't matter because we should be appealing this and getting an injunction to get him eligible. And that's THE most disappointing thing to me. We aren't even ****ing trying. We're just like "Sorry son, that's a tough break." In the meantime Ole Miss is over here and getting their Heisman contender QB back for an extra year he doesn't deserve because why? Because they put the ****ing effort into it to get him eligible. If he went to MSU he would be in the NFL combine this past week and we would be moving. Not them. And that's why they're going to kick our ass AGAIN with a guy coaching them on offense who went to MSU while we're going to be looking for our next savior coach who is hopefully redneck enough to appease our idiot boosters and maybe scratch out 7 wins and a Liberty Bowl bid. Gee, I don't know why attendance is plummeting?******

So, I say this to say this. **** you Zac Selmon. You know this shit wouldn't happen at Oklahoma. And you're just sitting there letting this happen. **** you Jeff Lebby. You suck, you're coaching staff sucks, and you're going to be an OC at Arkansas State next year so get your resume' ready bitch.

Hallelujah. Holy Shit. Hail State.

Dang Todd,,,,now tell us how you really feel. :)

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

**** you Jeff Lebby. You suck, you're coaching staff sucks, and you're going to be an OC at Arkansas State next year so get your resume' ready bitch.

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Welcome to the Resistance.

Just think how good we would be if Todd was the AD.

Wave that flag William Wallace! LOL!!!

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

What a shitshow this offseason has been.

We hire Zach Arnett as DC which I don't really need to expound on too much. He's one of the most overrated DC in MSU history and literally the only reason MSU fans like the guy is because he coached under Leach, has a farm in Starkville, and wears cowboy boots. Yep folks- that's how MSU fans decide whether you're a good football coach or not. You got a farm and you wear cowboy boots. Bonus points for picking up orange cones at practice. But lose the team, completely run the program into the ground, and basically turn it over to idiot boosters and their high school coach friend? Yeah- we'll take you back as DC. You simply do not see other schools picking their coaches based on BS like that. And that's why MSU loses- because we focus on the wrong things. BS like how redneck they act and how much they let the QB run the ball shouldn't be factors at all. But with MSU fans it is.

And then you have Bumphis who couldn't coach or recruit- but we're mad that he is gone because none of that matters because he was from Tupelo. One of the rare good moves Lebby made this whole offseason.

Also, why the **** is Cliff Odom still around? He apparently hasn't gotten to the point where our guys know how to return kicks because all they ever do are fair catch everything. Except when we're kicking the ball and our snapper is ****ing that up for the umpteenth time.

But this thing with Sneh to me just absolutely takes the cake. Only MSU would be the ONLY school in the entire NCAA that is trying to follow the rules. WHY? First of all, whoever made the mistake of thinking that Sneh had any eligibility should be fired tomorrow. And yes, make it public like MSU did with the media team after the NSD debacle just so that our fans know that you are at least trying to give a shit. But second of all that shouldn't matter because we should be appealing this and getting an injunction to get him eligible. And that's THE most disappointing thing to me. We aren't even ****ing trying. We're just like "Sorry son, that's a tough break." In the meantime Ole Miss is over here and getting their Heisman contender QB back for an extra year he doesn't deserve because why? Because they put the ****ing effort into it to get him eligible. If he went to MSU he would be in the NFL combine this past week and we would be moving. Not them. And that's why they're going to kick our ass AGAIN with a guy coaching them on offense who went to MSU while we're going to be looking for our next savior coach who is hopefully redneck enough to appease our idiot boosters and maybe scratch out 7 wins and a Liberty Bowl bid. Gee, I don't know why attendance is plummeting?******

So, I say this to say this. **** you Zac Selmon. You know this shit wouldn't happen at Oklahoma. And you're just sitting there letting this happen. **** you Jeff Lebby. You suck, you're coaching staff sucks, and you're going to be an OC at Arkansas State next year so get your resume' ready bitch.

Hallelujah. Holy Shit. Hail State.

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I'll try to parse this out one thought at a time.

On Arnett, as I have said before, he's back comfortable in his own skin as the DC. Our defense will DRASTICALLY improve. Hell he had a D with LANDON 17 GUIDRY starting at safety multiple games and our D was ranked 57th. His last defense was ranked 40th. Our two defenses under Coleman Hutzler were 118 and 106. So to say we're going to improve drastically on D just by changing the coordinator is a massive understatement. You're still looking at Zach through the lens of Zach the HC. That's not him and never was him. Yes he listened to the wrong people and yes he made mistakes. Those people are gone and Zach learned he's not a HC. He learned he liked being the politically incorrect DC instead of the buttoned up not comfortable in his own skin HC.

On Bumphis, it doesn't matter who is coaching that position. They are going to produce. Any of us could coach that position and the results would be the same. People have gotten over the Bumphis stuff. It was a story for 48 hours. We hired Phillip Montgomery, who's going to work with WRs and the overall offense with Lebby, and we have Dez Lindsey who will work a little more hands on with the WRs. If you could upgrade a position that is going to produce anyways, we did.

On Odom, yea I agree he should've been fired. Our ST was bad last year and cost us the Texas game.

On Sneh, our staff and admissions people were told he was good to go. We even dug around to make sure and nothing came back that worried us. We actually offered to fight this and Sneh was the one who didn't want to fight it. Not us. So to act like we're just waving the white flag and following the rules is not reality in any form. If the kid doesn't want to fight it, then there isn't much you can do.

Zac Selmon gave you, yes YOU because I know you're the baseball aficionado of the board, the greatest MSU coach of the last 40 years. I'd probably pipe down on MF'ing him to hell and back. And look, Lebby has this year and he knows he has this year. He has a once in a generation QB that he has built some really good pieces around. We need the OL to take a massive step forward, but we don't know what we have there until toe meets leather on Sept 12 in Minneapolis. Because if we know before then it will be only bad.

There has to be more to this story. This makes no sense.

2022 - Played in 4 games as a Freshman; Redshirt
2023 - Played in 10 games as a Redshirt Freshman
2024 - Played in 11 games as a Redshirt Sophomore
2025 - Played in 12 games as a Redshirt Junior
2026 - Set to be at MSU for Redshirt Senior year and ruled ineligible????

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Originally Posted by Tater

There has to be more to this story. This makes no sense.

2022 - Played in 4 games as a Freshman; Redshirt
2023 - Played in 10 games as a Redshirt Freshman
2024 - Played in 11 games as a Redshirt Sophomore
2025 - Played in 12 games as a Redshirt Junior
2026 - Set to be at MSU for Redshirt Senior year and ruled ineligible????

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That's what I'm trying to get more clarity on. The only thing I can think is there somehow saying the RS didn't count since it was at a D2, which makes absolutely no sense but it's the only thing I can come up with.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

That's what I'm trying to get more clarity on. The only thing I can think is there somehow saying the RS didn't count since it was at a D2, which makes absolutely no sense but it's the only thing I can come up with.

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Yea let me know. I'm confused why he doesn't even want to fight it either. Did they lie about how many games he played in his freshman year? Did he just decide he wants to turn the chapter and not fight for a starting spot or put his body in harm's way?

https://247sports.com/Player/brandon...imelineEvents/

Wow, we lost the 54th-best OL in this past portal for our most important position of need, LT from UNA, who went. what 3-8? He was also ranked about the 750th overall player on the portal. This is what we really should be tee'd off about, in my opinion. We again have an in-over-his-head assistant coach hired as an on-the-job training HC, who will be gone mid-season this year. Will we then "rinse and repeat" on the next hire?

There is no way the kid will make more money going pro then he would playing for us this season. This also seems like something we could easily fight. Something is not adding up.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

There is no way the kid will make more money going pro then he would playing for us this season. This also seems like something we could easily fight. Something is not adding up.

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If the kid doesn't want to fight it then you're not going to fight it. That simple. We probably would've won it had he wanted to fight it.

Guys none of this matters. Lebby will not be back after this year and the people who make this call are already preparing for it

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Guys none of this matters. Lebby will not be back after this year and the people who make this call are already preparing for it

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and we will bring on the next guy that will struggle to get to 6 wins

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

If the kid doesn't want to fight it then you're not going to fight it. That simple. We probably would've won it had he wanted to fight it.

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Thats what I?m saying. Something does not add up.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Guys none of this matters. Lebby will not be back after this year and the people who make this call are already preparing for it

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I have heard Charles Huff has made it known to Selmon that if we move on from Lebby he is very interested in being the next head coach. If Huff has a really good year at Memphis he will be in the top three candidates.

In division II, you can only play 3 games and take a redshirt. He played 4.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

What a shitshow this offseason has been.

We hire Zach Arnett as DC which I don't really need to expound on too much. He's one of the most overrated DC in MSU history and literally the only reason MSU fans like the guy is because he coached under Leach, has a farm in Starkville, and wears cowboy boots. Yep folks- that's how MSU fans decide whether you're a good football coach or not. You got a farm and you wear cowboy boots. Bonus points for picking up orange cones at practice. But lose the team, completely run the program into the ground, and basically turn it over to idiot boosters and their high school coach friend? Yeah- we'll take you back as DC. You simply do not see other schools picking their coaches based on BS like that. And that's why MSU loses- because we focus on the wrong things. BS like how redneck they act and how much they let the QB run the ball shouldn't be factors at all. But with MSU fans it is.

And then you have Bumphis who couldn't coach or recruit- but we're mad that he is gone because none of that matters because he was from Tupelo. One of the rare good moves Lebby made this whole offseason.

Also, why the **** is Cliff Odom still around? He apparently hasn't gotten to the point where our guys know how to return kicks because all they ever do are fair catch everything. Except when we're kicking the ball and our snapper is ****ing that up for the umpteenth time.

But this thing with Sneh to me just absolutely takes the cake. Only MSU would be the ONLY school in the entire NCAA that is trying to follow the rules. WHY? First of all, whoever made the mistake of thinking that Sneh had any eligibility should be fired tomorrow. And yes, make it public like MSU did with the media team after the NSD debacle just so that our fans know that you are at least trying to give a shit. But second of all that shouldn't matter because we should be appealing this and getting an injunction to get him eligible. And that's THE most disappointing thing to me. We aren't even ****ing trying. We're just like "Sorry son, that's a tough break." In the meantime Ole Miss is over here and getting their Heisman contender QB back for an extra year he doesn't deserve because why? Because they put the ****ing effort into it to get him eligible. If he went to MSU he would be in the NFL combine this past week and we would be moving. Not them. And that's why they're going to kick our ass AGAIN with a guy coaching them on offense who went to MSU while we're going to be looking for our next savior coach who is hopefully redneck enough to appease our idiot boosters and maybe scratch out 7 wins and a Liberty Bowl bid. Gee, I don't know why attendance is plummeting?******

So, I say this to say this. **** you Zac Selmon. You know this shit wouldn't happen at Oklahoma. And you're just sitting there letting this happen. **** you Jeff Lebby. You suck, you're coaching staff sucks, and you're going to be an OC at Arkansas State next year so get your resume' ready bitch.

Hallelujah. Holy Shit. Hail State.

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I agree with everything, minus the emotion because I already used that up a year or so ago. Mostly, I just point and laugh at our football program now.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'll try to parse this out one thought at a time.

On Arnett, as I have said before, he's back comfortable in his own skin as the DC. Our defense will DRASTICALLY improve. Hell he had a D with LANDON 17 GUIDRY starting at safety multiple games and our D was ranked 57th. His last defense was ranked 40th. Our two defenses under Coleman Hutzler were 118 and 106. So to say we're going to improve drastically on D just by changing the coordinator is a massive understatement. You're still looking at Zach through the lens of Zach the HC. That's not him and never was him. Yes he listened to the wrong people and yes he made mistakes. Those people are gone and Zach learned he's not a HC. He learned he liked being the politically incorrect DC instead of the buttoned up not comfortable in his own skin HC.

On Bumphis, it doesn't matter who is coaching that position. They are going to produce. Any of us could coach that position and the results would be the same. People have gotten over the Bumphis stuff. It was a story for 48 hours. We hired Phillip Montgomery, who's going to work with WRs and the overall offense with Lebby, and we have Dez Lindsey who will work a little more hands on with the WRs. If you could upgrade a position that is going to produce anyways, we did.

On Odom, yea I agree he should've been fired. Our ST was bad last year and cost us the Texas game.

On Sneh, our staff and admissions people were told he was good to go. We even dug around to make sure and nothing came back that worried us. We actually offered to fight this and Sneh was the one who didn't want to fight it. Not us. So to act like we're just waving the white flag and following the rules is not reality in any form. If the kid doesn't want to fight it, then there isn't much you can do.

Zac Selmon gave you, yes YOU because I know you're the baseball aficionado of the board, the greatest MSU coach of the last 40 years. I'd probably pipe down on MF'ing him to hell and back. And look, Lebby has this year and he knows he has this year. He has a once in a generation QB that he has built some really good pieces around. We need the OL to take a massive step forward, but we don't know what we have there until toe meets leather on Sept 12 in Minneapolis. Because if we know before then it will be only bad.

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If Sneh doesn't really want to play that doesn't look any better for the staff.

I'm cool with Selmon. But the thing about baseball is the boosters that helped get BOC actually know and understand the sport and understand how to win. Because many of them have won the World Series at the MLB level. The only thing our football boosters know anything about are making furniture, construction and engineering.

They don't know how to win in football. So they try to mimic the high school programs in the area. The result is good old boys who run boring archaic schemes and make excuses for their own failings.

If tbe football booster made the baseball hire we would have Elander as our head coach because BOC is from the north and he bunts too much.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I have heard Charles Huff has made it known to Selmon that if we move on from Lebby he is very interested in being the next head coach. If Huff has a really good year at Memphis he will be in the top three candidates.

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Oh great. Someone else to come make us losers

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I have heard Charles Huff has made it known to Selmon that if we move on from Lebby he is very interested in being the next head coach. If Huff has a really good year at Memphis he will be in the top three candidates.

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I have heard Charles Huff has made it known to Byrne that if we move on from DeBoer he is very interested in being the next head coach. If Huff has a really good year at State he will be in the top three candidates.

Not only that, Arnett was a DC under Leach who had the defense on the field for like 90 plays a game due to us either scoring in 40 seconds or punting in 40 seconds. Imagine an offense that actually uses the clock a bit more and how many less yards and points our defense would give up.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

and we will bring on the next guy that will struggle to get to 6 wins

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yep

D2 rules are different than d1 he could only play in 3 games and rs. Why are they different, no clue, but that's the case. Now, yall can fight amongest yourselves of why we or other schools didn't know this..............

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Not only that, Arnett was a DC under Leach who had the defense on the field for like 90 plays a game due to us either scoring in 40 seconds or punting in 40 seconds. Imagine an offense that actually uses the clock a bit more and how many less yards and points our defense would give up.

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What?

State's ranking with Time of Possession by year:

2020 - 21st 32:03
2021 - 43rd 30:57
2022 - 7th 33:52
2023 - 54th 30:24
2024 - 103rd 28:31
2025 - 131st 26:02

Idk wtf you watched under Leach but if you don't think his offense was ball control you clearly just have a basic "run = ball control; pass = not" level of knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Not only that, Arnett was a DC under Leach who had the defense on the field for like 90 plays a game due to us either scoring in 40 seconds or punting in 40 seconds. Imagine an offense that actually uses the clock a bit more and how many less yards and points our defense would give up.

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This is such a tired trope. In 2020 we ran the 5th most offensive plays in the SEC (69ppg), and were 4th in Time of Possession; in '21 3rd (75ppg) and 1st; and in '22 6th (71 ppg) and 7th.
For reference, under "peak Mullen" in '17 we ran 76 plays a game.

On defense in '20 we defended 71 ppg (5th most); in '21 62 ppg (2nd fewest); an in '22 67 ppg (6th fewest).
Our "greatest defense EVAR!!!!" in 2018 was on the field for 64 ppg (4th fewest).

So there was literally no difference in Leach and anyone else we've had.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Not only that, Arnett was a DC under Leach who had the defense on the field for like 90 plays a game due to us either scoring in 40 seconds or punting in 40 seconds. Imagine an offense that actually uses the clock a bit more and how many less yards and points our defense would give up.

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You didnt watch SEC Mike Leach in Airbone. Under Leach we held the ball for over 30 mins per game and were 10th in the country in TOP for 2021 at 33:12 per game. Thus the Airbone nickname

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Originally Posted by Coach34

and we will bring on the next guy that will struggle to get to 6 wins

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At least maybe we'll find a likable guy who's fun to root for instead of this jackass.

I've heard from a couple different people that waiters and waitresses hate when Lebby comes into their restaurants because he is such a dickhead and talks down to them.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

At least maybe we'll find a likable guy who's fun to root for instead of this jackass.

I've heard from a couple different people that waiters and waitresses hate when Lebby comes into their restaurants because he is such a dickhead and talks down to them.

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Now that's a new reason to get rid of a coach.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

At least maybe we'll find a likable guy who's fun to root for instead of this jackass.

I've heard from a couple different people that waiters and waitresses hate when Lebby comes into their restaurants because he is such a dickhead and talks down to them.

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Remember when I said MSU fans focus too much on things that don't matter. I'll add this to the list.

I am shocked that nobody has come along and said you can not complain about how terrible our football program is without contributing to the NIL.

I?m not understanding the meltdown.

We were not THAT far off last year.

Yeah we lost all but one SEC game, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining and we were much more threatening than the prior two years. I?m patient enough to see what happens this year before I start the doom and gloom.

I enjoyed the season, yeah some heartbreaking losses but we were taking it to teams 4x more talented. And I like that.

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Originally Posted by Ranchdawg

I am shocked that nobody has come along and said you can not complain about how terrible our football program is without contributing to the NIL.

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We are doing better with NIL and we certainly need to keep giving and keep improving.

But there are two sides to it. The fans giving the resources and MSU fans have given. But the other side is the coaches using the resources, identifying talent and attracting the talent. That is where Lebby and friends have shit the bed.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

I?m not understanding the meltdown.

We were not THAT far off last year.

Yeah we lost all but one SEC game, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining and we were much more threatening than the prior two years. I?m patient enough to see what happens this year before I start the doom and gloom.

I enjoyed the season, yeah some heartbreaking losses but we were taking it to teams 4x more talented. And I like that.

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The single biggest issue going into this year was DC and LT. some are not happy with DC and LT is obviously now a complete failure for 2026. It?s a reasonable meltdown topic. KT needs to grow as a passer, we wont get any better if his only option by late October is one read that scramble because blind side has collapsed.

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Originally Posted by AROB44

Now that's a new reason to get rid of a coach.

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Going 2-17 against P4 opponents (and also a blowout loss to Toledo thrown in) is a reason to get rid of a coach. But if he was cool and likable, it would be easier to understand why people still cling to him. Instead, we've got a bad coach who is also a bad person.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

I?m not understanding the meltdown.

We were not THAT far off last year.

Yeah we lost all but one SEC game, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining and we were much more threatening than the prior two years. I?m patient enough to see what happens this year before I start the doom and gloom.

I enjoyed the season, yeah some heartbreaking losses but we were taking it to teams 4x more talented. And I like that.

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FPI rankings the last 3 years:

2023: 60
2024: 66
2025: 58

Just not much to be proud about in any of the last 3 seasons. Arnett and Lebby both eked out a win over an overrated team from the state of Arizona at home (hey, I'll still take it) and were extremely fortunate to beat a really bad Arkansas team on the road.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He has a once in a generation QB that he has built some really good pieces around.

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I'm really skeptical of this sentence. Kamario Taylor could have a really good career here and still not surpass Nick Fitzgerald (8 years ago) and especially Dak Prescott (11 years ago). And even if he does, he probably won't this year.

I hope you're right though, obviously.

Arnett isn't an overrated DC.

Your Air Raid Fan Club biases are showing again.

The rest, I agree with.

The most frustrating thing about our football situation is that we have still not realized that our best shot at being successful is to hire a sitting head coach that has won consistently at programs with a talent deficiency. When we did decide to randomly make that decision with Leach it was working until he died. After year 3 he beat Kiffin @ Ole Miss and then he passed away. Instead we make the same mistakes over and over again by hiring coordinators that don’t work out. Mullen only worked because he was a coordinator for the 2nd best coach in the modern era besides Saban.

This is why I would love for us to hire Vigen and try something. I know a lot of people might think that he coached at a lower level and that’s a respectable opinion, but we aren’t going to get a coach that has been successful at a high level. Those coaches are seeking out programs with more resources and more money. This is the reason I wanted to hire Cignetti when Arnett was fired. I’m not saying Vigen is the only option, but he is winning at Montana State without recruiting top talent compared to other teams in their league.

We are never going to be a program in the SEC that pays a lot of money compared to the big boys. It’s just not going to happen. I’m not saying that’s not important, but we can throw that option out the window. That means the only chance is to think outside the box and hire someone who fits this criteria. Until our AD or boosters realize this, it’s going to be the same thing over and over.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

The most frustrating thing about our football situation is that we have still not realized that our best shot at being successful is to hire a sitting head coach that has won consistently at programs with a talent deficiency. When we did decide to randomly make that decision with Leach it was working until he died. After year 3 he beat Kiffin @ Ole Miss and then he passed away. Instead we make the same mistakes over and over again by hiring coordinators that don’t work out. Mullen only worked because he was a coordinator for the 2nd best coach in the modern era besides Saban.

This is why I would love for us to hire Vigen and try something. I know a lot of people might think that he coached at a lower level and that’s a respectable opinion, but we aren’t going to get a coach that has been successful at a high level. Those coaches are seeking out programs with more resources and more money. This is the reason I wanted to hire Cignetti when Arnett was fired. I’m not saying Vigen is the only option, but he is winning at Montana State without recruiting top talent compared to other teams in their league.

We are never going to be a program in the SEC that pays a lot of money compared to the big boys. It’s just not going to happen. I’m not saying that’s not important, but we can throw that option out the window. That means the only chance is to think outside the box and hire someone who fits this criteria. Until our AD or boosters realize this, it’s going to be the same thing over and over.

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My concern is that it would be a Harsin situation- a fish out of water. Can a guy from a mostly white state that coaches mostly white players during his career come to the South and coach a team that is going to be 80% black? That's the gamble with him. LSU just went thru thru that same problem with a coach that didnt fit