... has opened an investigation on OM and nothing here?!? Hmmm... I guess my thread title is the overall feeling and the expected outcome is zilch?
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... has opened an investigation on OM and nothing here?!? Hmmm... I guess my thread title is the overall feeling and the expected outcome is zilch?
They can't wait to tell their side of the story ***
There are no rules now
We'd self imposed the death penalty.
It pisses me off that we self report, then cooperate with the NCAA and get shafted. Other programs, with much more serious infractions, fight the NCAA and get little to no penalty.
Might be leverage against OM suing them over chambliss
Here's what I would do if I was Dabo. I'd get with every ACC coach and any other coaches that had players tampered with from Ole Miss and I would get all of those coaches to en masse tamper with their players.
If the NCAA won't do anything you just take matters into your own hands and handle it yourself.
That's a separate issue. We'll see what happens with the basketball player from Alabama because whatever happens there I'm sure the NCAA will follow the same route if they are successful. No idea what will happen with that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
chambliss and pete tampering are 2 different issues. chambliss case is him alone vs the ncaa. i do see what ya'll are saying though.
You can call it separate, but Ole Miss will spend millions to help Chambliss win his case. Can you imagine them going into next season with an unknown QB, and questions about their HC and OC. No way. They expect to be in the playoffs next year. They will assist Trinidad in the only way they know how! $$$$Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Nothing is going to happen. We need to stop wishing for OM to go away and start playing the way they do. It seems to be working a little better.
Unpunished cheating will destroy what's left of college athletics and accelerate the destruction. It will be the proverbial straw that causes fans to find something else to do with their time and money.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I'm willing to bet a sizable amount that won't happen. Ratings are as high as they've ever been and interest in the sport is higher than ever. It may be what causes you to find something else to do with your time and money but not to everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Also, tampering is cheating. Do you want everyone who tampers to be punished. Because if so, we're going to get hammered for it.
Who did we go after from another team's roster, that would have been considered tampering?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Brennen Thompson, Zion Ragins, Dillon Gabriel, Markel Bell, Jordan Seaton, Anthony Evans, Kendel Dolby, Isaiah Autrey-Dent, Jardin Gilbert.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
I could go on. The truth of the matter is that 75-80% of these guys know exactly where they're going before they enter the portal. They're tampered into the portal. If you're not tampering then you'll be left behind.
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We didn't get caught if we did. so there's that. Play the game reckless you get reckless results. All of this everyone is doing this is a crazy take when they're investigated that won't hold up. Ole Miss isn't Alabama or a blue blood they should be nervous.
Did our head coach call them after they signed an FAA? I don't believe so. I believe we contacted their agent or someone close to them to "encourage" them into the portal. That is tampering, but it is not against the establiched rules. What Ole Miss did is clearly and presumably provably against the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
No Lebby straight up called Thompson during the season and told him to get in the portal. We were contacting Bell all season trying to get him in. Same with Evans last year. Hell Lebby's first call when he got the job was to Dillon Gabriel.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
EVERYONE TAMPERS. EVERYONE.
You have no clue about conversations. It sounds good for discussions but Lebby is not stupid enough to let that word out and he's not telling boosters and don't say Bumphis told everyone lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Bumphis didn't have to tell me. Lebby and the GAs were quite open about it. Wasn't some big secret. Wasn't like we were going to get punished for it. And what do you know.....we didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
The only reason we know anything about it is because its Dabo. He's relatively clean when it come to poral violations. The reason no one else has made a stink until now is because they all tamper too. OM just happened to pick on the one guy who's nose is clean enough to crow about it without anyone turning him in for the same crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Never did it ever happen. Coaches aren't that negligentQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Every coach is that “negligent”. Because it is not negligence. It is the environment we live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
We're $hitty AND we don't play by the rules. Great. Can't even be proud of at least being clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Why would we want to be clean. Jesus. No one plays by the rules these days. I want us to be dirtier than Ole Miss. If the Saudis want to give us 100 mil in blood money then let’s rollQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
I?ve already given up on college sports. A lawless system is not for me. I bet I didn?t watch 2 hours of college football this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Good God you’ve hit a new low. Peace out.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
So you don’t want to win? That is what I am getting out of this. EVERYONE TAMPERS AND EVERYONE CHEATS. Stop trying to be holier than thou and just play the game. Thankfully we are doing exactly that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgface
Who cares if we’re tampering? When in Rome. This thread is like ugly women complaining about the hot chick in the cul-de-sac having fake tits. If you can afford ‘em, get ‘em.
What you describes us doing was what Dabo called "tampering 101." That's not in the same league as Ole Miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I want to win according to the rules - as they are enforced, not as they are on paper.
Some of the playoff ratings were way down. The Mississippi vs Miami game was horrible. Nightmare for espn.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
It has nothing to do with winning but with keeping one’s integrity and self worth as a human! Just because some or maybe even the majority may act like lemmings and walk/run off the cliff doesn’t mean we should follow the path to destruction! I still think that one day, the non blue blood university sports teams will withdraw from the current alignment and form a new true college league and the blue bloods can continue to be the minors for the “pro” leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The current NIL/TRANSFER arrangement is not sustainable.
Sometimes I really enjoy a simple analogy. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Correct me if I'm wrong but in this situation with Clemson to my understanding the player in question already had signed a FAA with Clemson and was attending class.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I know there is tampering and we do it- but there has to be a line somewhere. To my knowledge we haven't done anything like that where a guy in the portal goes somewhere else and signs a FAA and then MSU still recruits them and basically just throws money at them until the say no.
I think Dabo is basically saying "Hey, once a guy signs the FAA and is enrolled in classes the portal recruiting for that cycle needs to be over and stop at that point." Now, if Ole Miss wanted to keep recruiting the player and get him in the next portal cycle- that's different. They have to draw the line because otherwise the portal never ends.
They're getting into breach of contract issues here.
Under the current lawless system winning means zilch to me. I realize MSU has no choice but to participate being a member but I?m not interested. I?ll continue to do other things as I did this past season. I hope you guys enjoy donating every nickel you can spare to play the game and satisfy your hunger to ?win?.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You are correct and most schools are not going that far much less the head coach reaching out directly after the player has signed and attending classes. That's in violation of contact rules outside of the tampering issues as well. Multiple violations. Will or can the NCAA do anything? That's the question. They need to and the commissioners need to address this in their conference as well. If it's gonna be just fines, then it needs to be big fines paid by the persons involved themselves. Golding loses a portion of his salary and paid directly the plaintive school. A suspension as well or loss of a the number of portal signees you can have for next portal season or actually what I like better is substantially restricting how much the school can spend during that portal season. A second offense inside of 4 years and you are locked out of participating in transfer portal for a year. I understand it will be litigated but so be it, things have to come to a head with some real teeth and sooner the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I make more than enough money to do it. I enjoy Mississippi State succeed so I'm going to do my part to make sure that happens. It's a personal choice for me just like you're choosing to not watch the games. No one is blaming you if you don't donate, but when the answer to everyone's question is, "Why are we losing?" My answer will continue to be, "Donate more and we may not lose anymore."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgface
Ole Miss is going to be 8-4 or better this year because they're all in. They may not have an incredible coach anymore but Pete is good enough to get the job done. Hell Shane Beamer is a terrible Xs and Os coach but he had a team in 24 that arguably would've won the National Championship. They were the hottest team in the country. They were winning because they continued to donate even after bad years and they got good players and retained those players.
And there it is....Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I was waiting for someone else to throw out that Ole Miss needed to lose portal signees. Like come on guys. This isn't the NCAA of 2000. Nothing is going to happen other than a fine, which one of their boosters will HAPPILY cover, and MAYBE Golding gets suspended for when they play Charlotte. It's not going to be anything punitive. It's just not.
Did I say it was going to happen? I definitely did not. I was saying what needs to happen and let it go to litigation because it most definitely will. This has to come to a head to bust at some point. I'd rather this blow up sooner rather later and force structure even if it's through the courts, if the NCAA can't or won't do anything. There has to be controls in place, because the next step that most do NOT want to do is language that is punitive directly to the players. And honestly for the most part while they share some of the blame, the vast majority of the issues is the authority figures and where punishment needs to levied.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
And what I also mean is if the NCAA does nothing then Clemson (and whatever offended school involved) goes after another school directly. And / or the schools league being involved, which won't happen honestly unless it's leagues suing leagues. Still doubt that would be the course of action that takes place quickly. If it comes to that, then conferences coming together to form their own league with rules and enforcement and naming a commissioner.
Let me tell you what structure looks like. Collective Bargaining and a Player's Association. Which most people think would be great. Except it will eventually lead to what MLB is about to see. A strike. When you start dealing with CBAs and Players Associations then a strike is inevitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Did Ole Miss do something wrong? Yes. They contacted a kid after he had signed a FAA with another school. Should they be punished? Yes. They should be fined. Maybe 500K for the school and 250K for Golding. That's punitive enough. But let me tell you what happens if/when that occurs. Ole Miss is then going to do the same thing to 3 other schools. Then those schools are going to do the same thing to 5 or 6 other schools. And on and on it goes. It's just like the old days. We didn't turn OM in for recruiting violations because we were doing the same thing. The minute we said something they'd have receipts from Chris Jones or Willie Gay or whoever it may be.
Because here's the thing, coaches and staffers are contacting these kids during the season. I know that for a fact because I know there were multiple coaches and staffers who contacted Issac Smith in 24 before and after the Florida game. He sat out that Texas game because of it. They said it was concussion protocol, which was convenient to hide behind, but we were having to renegotiate his deal. Now, most would say, why did we not turn those schools in? Because we were doing the same thing. Chad Bumphis was talking to Ayden Williams from October of 24 til he got in the portal. Lebby was talking to Brennen Thompson damn near the entire season. Everyone does it. Dabo is just mad they didn't get paid. If they would've signed a rev share agreement with the kid, they would have. Their inability to understand this new landscape in college football is to blame. Ole Miss just took advantage of it.
I doubt much will happen, but the NCAA is like an animal backed into a corner with it appearing they have no authority... it wouldn't surprise me at all if they give OM the max punishment they can. They've hit OM before tooQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I just hope it isn't a show cause bc Golding doesn't scare me at all
ETA... also, OM publicly called out one of the sec's blue blood on this topic, so the sec may throw OM to the wolves